Talking Grit: A Detroit Lions Podcast
Episode 11: ESPN Top 10, NFL Top 100, Calvin in the Pride of the Lions, Netflix Show
Hosts Jason Harwood and Jacob Litton dive into several segments on their podcast 'Talking Grit'. Celebrations are in order as Calvin Johnson is set to be inducted into the Pride of the Lions. The main discussion then pivots to the latest ESPN top 10 lists Additionally, they preview the upcoming NFL top 100 list, predict which Lions players will make the cut, and offer their predictions on the top NFL players for 2024. They also touch upon the new Netflix documentary series featuring wide receivers, including in-depth insights on Amon-Ra St. Brown. The episode concludes with their favorite segment, 'The Honolulu Blitz,' a rapid-fire question session covering a mix of trivia and personal opinions.
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Hosts Jason Harwood and Jacob Litton dive into several segments on their podcast 'Talking Grit'. Celebrations are in order as Calvin Johnson is set to be inducted into the Pride of the Lions. The main discussion then pivots to the latest ESPN top 10 lists Additionally, they preview the upcoming NFL top 100 list, predict which Lions players will make the cut, and offer their predictions on the top NFL players for 2024. They also touch upon the new Netflix documentary series featuring wide receivers, including in-depth insights on Amon-Ra St. Brown. The episode concludes with their favorite segment, 'The Honolulu Blitz,' a rapid-fire question session covering a mix of trivia and personal opinions.
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Welcome back everybody to talking grit. I'm Jason Harwood and with me is Jacob Litton. Before we get started, I just wanted to say thank you to all our listeners out there. It's been fun. We're in the off season. We're not even to the season yet, so it's been a fun and exciting ride. I just wanted, to let you know that if you ever want to reach out to us, there is a link in like the episode description. It says, send us a text message. If you click on that, then you can, you could send us a message. So you could send us a question. You could send us, just a comment about the episode or whatever you want to do. However, we don't get the name that it's from. So if you want us to acknowledge you, if you want us to give you a shout out or whatever, just put your name in the message so that we can do that. The other day, Jacob and I were working together and we happened to get one so that was cool. We're looking at our phones at work, so we're being bad people. Jacob, what did that message say? Well,
Jacob Litton:our first fan mail comment, once again, we don't know who it's from, but we still appreciate it. They say love the show guys. Keep it up. The police siren in the intro freaks me out every time. Other than that, no complaints. Can we look into lowering the volume of the police siren or we just need people to listen more often and be ready for it?
Jason Harwood:I think, uh, this particular person's probably feeling pretty guilty. Maybe they were speeding, uh, while they were driving and listening to us. So slow down and maybe it'll be all right. But yeah, I can look into the police siren. Actually, my wife goes, yeah, it kind of gets me too every time, but I just think these people are, you know, have guilty consciences. They're, they're doing something. They're worried that the cops are after them.
Jacob Litton:I'm listening to music and I'm driving in the car, if I hear that siren too, You hurry up. You look in your rear view like, Oh man,
Jason Harwood:You know?
Jacob Litton:me.
Jason Harwood:Yeah. We appreciate it. There's other things if you look in our, episode summary, there's other ways to reach out to us. Our email's in there. All our social stuff is in there. You can, hit us up on any of those, things. So just wanted to, again, say appreciate it to everyone that's listening. It's still kind of surreal that. Uh, people are keep tuning in, Jacob and I are having a lot of fun. So are, are you tired of me yet, Jacob, or are you still having a good time with us?
Jacob Litton:I've been tired of you, but that's
Jason Harwood:It's all right.
Jacob Litton:We're talking football. I love talking football. Love talking lions.
Jason Harwood:Yeah. Even if it's with me. So,
Jacob Litton:That's all right. You can be the punching bag.
Jason Harwood:Yeah. Yeah, that's for sure. Jacob and I want to, issue a congratulations to Calvin Johnson. We're recording this Monday night. So earlier today it was announced he's going to be inducted into the pride of the lions, which is pretty sweet. Uh, when's the celebration going to happen, Jacob?
Jacob Litton:That's going to be on a halftime of the Monday night football game against the Seahawks. So it's early on in the season week four. Well deserved shouts out to Megatron long overdue. know, he had kind of that out with the lions and everything. He was away from the team for a while. So really good to have that guy back in the building, back on our side. Just really can't say enough great things about him. Definitely deserves it.
Jason Harwood:Yeah, we're going to, celebrate a halftime and the Seahawks game. Then we'll celebrate after the game that we won that game. That's my plan at least. So today we're going to talk, obviously lions, ESPN dropped some top 10 lists. These lists are made from a survey from players, coaches, and just, uh, league personnel. Not every position has been released. Um, the ones that we are still waiting on wide receiver and off ball linebackers and cornerbacks. So we won't be able to talk about those because as of right now, they haven't been released. The latest one that was released was today was quarterback. So Jacob, why don't you go ahead and start us off here?
Jacob Litton:Real quick. We can't talk about it, but I know a lion's wide receiver that better be pretty high on this list when it drops on Wednesday.
Jason Harwood:They better be. I can't imagine he's not going to be on that list.
Jacob Litton:They released a position every day. Just kind of going to talk about who's at the top of the list. We had a lion's representative for a lot of these positions. So that's really cool to see. First list that dropped was going to be interior offensive linemen. they classified the guards and centers all together. Top of the list. You have Zach Martin, number one, Chris Lindstrom, number two, and Quentin Nelson, number three. Uh, our very own Frank Ragnow came in at eight on the list. so it was good for Frank to get some recognition. He's got the all pro thing. He seems to get some accolades on the field, but for whatever reason, the media and everything, he just doesn't seem to get much love. Um, so these lists were made by ESPN executives, coaches, scouts. So, you know, people that know what they're talking about, you would think. So really cool that Frank was on the list. Do you agree with him being eight?
Jason Harwood:Um, no, well, he wasn't even the number one center on the list. The Kansas City Chiefs center was number one, which are not number one. He was.
Jacob Litton:It was
Jason Harwood:ahead of Frank. Yeah. And so I was like, Hmm, I don't know about that. Uh, but it's great to see Frank on the list. Well deserved to be on there and just imagine what Frank could do if he was like a hundred percent, didn't have the toe issue or anything like that. But Ben, Ben, one heck of a lion, uh, one heck of a football player and yeah, just glad to see him finally get some recognition. It's nice to see all our lions get recognition, having the exposure in the NFC championship game. Just getting that far probably gives you a tiebreaker for some other players, um, that didn't get that far. So I'm, I'm super happy about Frank making it there.
Jacob Litton:Definitely
Jason Harwood:All right, what position are we going with next?
Jacob Litton:so the next position they dropped was safeties. you know, we've got a couple of safeties on our team. They're all pretty young. We did not make the top 10 on this one, but we did have honorable mention. Um, they listed for each one, a couple of honorable mention people that got a lot of votes too, but not quite enough to crack it. Um, so our honorable mention for that one is Brian branch. So, I
Jason Harwood:he's, if he's, if he's a mono we'll mention too.
Jacob Litton:If he got a vote, but I don't think he was honorable
Jason Harwood:Oh, okay. I thought he was listed on the bottom.
Jacob Litton:I could look again. I believe that he received votes, but he wasn't enough to be considered honorable
Jason Harwood:Oh, yeah. It's the other receiving votes. I see what you mean. Okay. Yeah. Go ahead. Sorry.
Jacob Litton:you know, but I mean, that's a good point. Cause then, you know, if his name's at least out there, somebody's putting him out there, he's, he's getting votes. Um, top of the list, number one, Antoine Winfield, Jr. We know him for getting stiff armed in the face by jaw.
Jason Harwood:Yeah.
Jacob Litton:Kyle Hamilton, number two, Jesse Bates, number three, I think what we had going against us, we just have a lot of young guys proving themselves still, still cool that their name is on the list. They're up there. They're mentioned with them. Not quite enough to crack the top 10 yet. I think that's fair though.
Jason Harwood:Yup. I fully expect Branch's name to be in the top 10 next year. I fully expect that. What's, what's next on the list, Jacob?
Jacob Litton:Okay. Next one we have is edge rushers. This one was one that we were both anticipating because we knew Hutch was going to be on here, but how high do they put him? You know, who's in front of him? Who's behind him? So, edge rushers, they have number one, Myles Garrett, number two, TJ Watt, number three, Micah Parsons. Just to go through the rest of these guys, cause these are some notable names here. You follow that with Nick Bosa, Max Crosby. Then you've got Aiden Hutchinson at six, Daniel Hunter, seven, Josh Heinz, Allen, Trey Hendrickson, Brian Burns. These are all some monsters. These are all great edge rushers. so the fact that Hutch is on there, number six, cool. We talked about this briefly before you would think like, you know, Hutch's in top five, like he's really good. He can be top five. You see the five guys in front of him. And now I can kind of see where the toss up would be because you could make a case for any one of those guys to be, you know, top two, top three.
Jason Harwood:Yeah, I, I'm not arguing with where Aiden's at on that list. Now, if he gets up and gets 15, 16 sacks next year, having DJ Reader, on that line, it's going to make him look better. just a sack total alone will make them more noticeable, but now I can't argue now him and Max, I mean, that's pretty close. Super high motor players, just high effort players, and just. Don't ever give up. So I like, I like him being next to max on that list for sure.
Jacob Litton:Yeah. And, you know, Hutch is younger too. So, I mean, he, he's not even to his, uh, prime yet, I guess you would say
Jason Harwood:Yep Yeah, I fully expect him to take another step this year He seems to do that every year you find something to work on and he just keeps getting better it doesn't hurt that you have to work against Penesul and practice every day
Jacob Litton:for sure. That's one way to get better. They're helping each other out.
Jason Harwood:Exactly.
Jacob Litton:All right. Next position they dropped as defensive tackles. Uh, no lions made this list. I can't say I was necessarily surprised. Number one, Chris Jones, two Quinn and Williams, three Dexter Lawrence. We're hoping Aleem has a good season. We've got DJ reader. We got, you know, solid tackles, but I, I can't say I expected them to be top 10 on this list.
Jason Harwood:But I was still thinking like DJ Reader would get honorable mention. Um, maybe it's probably the injury that kept him off that I would imagine, but I, I think he deserves at least the honorable mention.
Jacob Litton:Next one, we made this list. This is the tight ends. We knew that we had a tight end that was going to be on this list. It was just a question of where he was going to be, how high, tight end list. Number one, they have Travis Kelsey to George Kittle three, Mark Andrews. are kind of the big three tight ends. surprise that that was going to be, you know, the order that they were in. Number four on that list is our own Sam Laporta. Which was very cool that he was up that high, uh, just in front of TJ Hawkinson, who was number five.
Jason Harwood:Yup. It's interesting. He's right in front of TJ. Uh, I, I'm not shocked that he's number four. I do think he played better than number four last year, but the other three have been doing it for much longer and at a very high level. So I don't, I don't knock that at all coming in season number four, but if he has another season like he had last year, he better be higher than number four next year.
Jacob Litton:Absolutely. Yeah, it was one of those things where, you know, he did enough where he could have warranted getting that three spot for sure, but you know, because it was a rookie and everything like that, it was like, how much love are they going to give him, Are they going to put them eight or nine in front of some of the people that didn't deserve it. So cool with four. I definitely think he belongs there.
Jason Harwood:I mean, there's hall of fame players ahead of him. So, you can't knock that, but if I'm starting a new team, he's probably the first tight end that I'm taking right now.
Jacob Litton:Oh, absolutely.
Jason Harwood:Yup. All right. What's the next, uh, position we got Jacob?
Jacob Litton:All right. Next one. We had running backs were represented on this list as well. Um, one was a really interesting list for me to read and go over. Uh, I'm just going to read the whole list just so that you can see, so we can tell everybody. So number one is Christian McCaffrey. No arguments there. I think that one, you know, it was pretty easy. two, they put Brees Hall,
Jason Harwood:Yeah.
Jacob Litton:Nick Chubb, Saquon Barkley, Jonathan Taylor, Bijan Robinson, Jacobs from the Packers. And then we are in at number 8 with Jameer Gibbs, followed by Derek Henry at 9, then Travis Etienne at 10. Really, really kind of a weird running back list to me,
Jason Harwood:When you read these ESPN lists, it'll tell you what the highest rank that, you know, someone gave them and what the lowest rank. And if you look at all these rankings, there there's wide variation, like B. John Robinson, highest ranking was number one. Someone ranked him as the number one, back. Uh, and then the lowest ranking was unranked. So then you had like Josh Jacobs, the highest ranking is two lowest rank unranked. For Jameer highest ranking is three lowest is unranked. It, it seems like, there was a wide variety of where these, where people viewed these running backs. And so therefore, complicated the list. Some people had Nick Chubb as the number one running back, but I think coming off the injury, that's going to be tough. I mean, who, who knows? You know, hopefully he can come back. There's a video I saw today of him squatting. I don't know how much, like 700 pounds. So I think he'll be fine back and no problem. But you know, it, it just speaks to the wide variety of opinions on these running backs.
Jacob Litton:definitely. Yeah, uh, agreed about Nick Chubb, uh, I've been following him on Twitter and everything like that. He's somebody that you root for outside of the lions. For him to be ranked number 3, like you said, coming off the injury and everything, I feel like that's too high. Um, know, was it Bijan that you said somebody ranked him? Number one,
Jason Harwood:Yeah, it's on the, is,
Jacob Litton:you do that. Josh Jacobs, I think the highest number two, like, what are you talking about? He had a very down year last year. So I don't know if they're just, uh, putting them that high in anticipation of what he's about to do versus what you have done, I think that's where a lot of people put Bijan above Jameer Gibbs is just because of hype and the You know, the flashes that he's shown, I don't know, just the publicity, I guess, ahead of time, they, you know, they really put Bijan over jaw when, if you look at actually what happened last year, I think you would put Jameer above Bijan,
Jason Harwood:They're obviously two different, uh, backs, but Bijan has been oppressive. I had no doubt about that. He doesn't warrant number two or number one. I mean, I don't know. I don't know in what world you rate B. John Robinson ahead of Christian McCaffrey, he's No doubt. Number one in, in any metric I would imagine. Don't know how, how someone put him number one. Maybe it was an Atlantic, uh, Falcons writer. I, I don't know,
Jacob Litton:Yeah, right, right. Well here, take those 10 that are on the list. Just not even considering anybody else out of those 10. Who would you put one, two, three?
Jason Harwood:So I would put CMC number one. If I were in a non injury year, Nick Chubb is number two all day. I would think, um, number. Three Man, that's a tough one for me. I don't
Jacob Litton:when you're looking at everybody.
Jason Harwood:I mean, injuries obviously play a huge part in this. I think Brees Hall is Pretty amazing. And if he has Aaron Rogers back, that's going to take a lot of pressure off him. Cause he had a really nice season last year and Zach Wilson's back there. That's a rough thing. So I can understand how I, Breeze Hall's getting ranked up there. You know, I don't know, Saquon interests me just because of the offensive line that he's going to be playing behind. Uh, and just all the other offensive threats that Phil Duffy has. I mean, Saquon is a very elusive runner, but he's also been the main focus on that team pretty much ever since he, you know, came to the Giants and into the league. He hasn't really had any other offensive threats teams go in there to stop Saquon and everything else is secondary. It may not be that way with Philadelphia Union, you have AJ Brown on the outside. It'll be interesting. I definitely could see Saquon having a strong year. Um, so I guess talking that through, I probably put him at number three after Nick Chubb, but what are your one, two, and three?
Jacob Litton:was thinking McCaffrey, number one, for sure. Uh, I would have put Saquon at number two, because of, you know, what we've seen him already do with the Giants. He's going to be dangerous back there. Jalen Hurts, the line the Eagles have, like you already said, you know, the weapons they have on the outside, you know, he, he was the main focus for a defensive game plan when you were playing the Giants. They're not worried about Daniel Jones. You're just worried about containing Saquon stuff the box and do whatever you have to do You can't really do that in Philadelphia he has potential to go off. I would put him number two I guess if you're taking the injury out of the equation that Nick Chubb being three is solid I don't think that he's going to be able to play at the level that he was before But you know what? He had the injuries in the past and he came back from it and played just as well. So you hope that he's able to come back. I'm not sure that he would. Okay.
Jason Harwood:that's going to. Move into that top 10 this year is Joe Mixon. He got a pretty good lot offensive line in Houston got a lot In in the top 10. I'm not saying he needs to be up towards the top But I think the people outside of the top 10. I think he's definitely Got a shot to be moving in there. He hasn't had a strong offensive line He's had other offensive threats definitely in Cincinnati But, uh, Houston's got a good offense, so I could see him having, having a pretty good year.
Jacob Litton:I see it. All right, let's move on here.
Jason Harwood:Well, Dave Montgomery did receive some votes. So he was in like the other, so he did get some recognition. So that was good. You know, he didn't get the top 10 or honorable mentions, but at least received some votes. And he deserved that.
Jacob Litton:He had a really good year, especially splitting carries a job.
Jason Harwood:All right.
Jacob Litton:Next we have offensive tackles. This is probably the only one that I looked at and thought we got robbed. So offensive tackle list. Number one, they have Trent Williams. two is Penae Sewell. Number three, Laramie Tunzel. I feel like Penae should have overtook Trent this year and been number one.
Jason Harwood:Yeah, I agree with that. No, no doubt. If you go off PFF grades No one's even close to what Penae's doing. So yeah.
Jacob Litton:I get, you know, Trent Williams has been the top tackle for whatever, four or five years in a row, and he's been top five for even longer than that. you know, definitely still effective. The fact he's doing what he's doing at his age is great. I just feel like Sewell is better than him now. I feel like he overtook him last year. Um, moving on the list though, we also have our other tackle, Taylor Decker, popped in here as a honorable mention.
Jason Harwood:Mm hmm.
Jacob Litton:enough votes that he got put in as honorable mention. So that was cool. Showing the strengths of our offensive line.
Jason Harwood:oh, I know it's great. I love it I love Taylor getting some recognition. He is, he's A very solid love taco, so I'm happy with that. Uh, going back to Penne, the highest ranking that anyone gave him was number 2. No one ranked him number 1 in their list, if you see that. The lowest was 5, which, how do you put him?
Jacob Litton:Right. Who did that?
Jason Harwood:yeah, exactly.
Jacob Litton:was some Packers right
Jason Harwood:Yeah, I was gonna say Packers or Bears fans, so I don't know, but Panay was rated 6 last year on the same list. This year he's, you know, up to 2. But I cannot believe that no one put him as number 1. It's, Everyone had to vote for Trent Williams or someone else on that list. I don't, I don't get it, man. But, you know,
Jacob Litton:Who would you put above him then? If you're not going to put Trent Williams, what, do you have those numbers? What was the lowest
Jason Harwood:Well, I could tell you that someone, Tristan Wirfs, who's number 4, they said highest ranking 1, so someone put him number 1. So I'm going to see if anyone else got, Oh, Andrew Thomas for the giants. Someone ranked him as number one. He's number eight on this list. The highest rank is one lowest ranking is unranked. So someone decided to put Andrew Thomas above Penasol. Uh, no.
Jacob Litton:We're discrediting these lists as we get further on.
Jason Harwood:yeah. Well, I mean, they're just talking points. These are people's opinion. You, like you said, Who would you put in a 3 on a list? Everyone's list is going to be different. Obviously, we're shaded more towards the Lions and we're going to want to give our guys the respect that they deserve.
Jacob Litton:Absolutely. But if you say that P'nei Sewell is a number, would you say it was number five or number six?
Jason Harwood:uh, number five was the worst that he was rated.
Jacob Litton:there's not four tackles better than him in the league.
Jason Harwood:No, no, of course not. Unless you're not watching football, you're, uh, or you're thinking, oh, that's a Lions player and you've Didn't watch the last season. It's all, you know, just like PFFs list. I mean, there's some objective data that they think is objective, there's a lot of subjectivity to this and depends on what games you watched and whatever, but I don't know why and what planet Penesul isn't, one or two and they have, someone decided he was number five, so weird. We should find that guy. Let's make it a mission to find who put him number five so we could publicly shame him on Twitter.
Jacob Litton:sounds good. And find out who put Andrew Thomas number one.
Jason Harwood:Yeah.
Jacob Litton:All right. Let's move on. So the most current one, the one that dropped today was the quarterbacks. Always interesting when you talk about the quarterback list, going through it, we have number one, Patrick Mahomes. No surprise there. two, Joe Burrow. Number three, Josh Allen. Going down, our Jared Goff comes in at number nine. So he did make the top ten, they have him ranked number nine. Do you think that's fair? Where, where do you think he's at?
Jason Harwood:I'm happy that he's on this list because, you know, you read a lot of these, uh, articles and they always start out glowing for Jared Goff, like, Oh, he's second in league in passing, leading a top five offense, all this. And then they always have some caveat at the end where, you know, it doesn't handle pressure well, or, Something to that effect just to discredit Jerry golf, it seems that's what he's had to deal with his whole career, but yet he's putting up unreal numbers and he's led, a top offense, not just on one team, but on, two teams, he's led a team to, uh, the Superbowl. He deserves more credit than he's getting. And what is kind of a slap in the face on this list, if, you know, you go put your golf. 9 you got Aaron Rodgers at number 8 that I mean obviously I have my thing with Aaron Rodgers But I don't know how you put him at number 8 his last year in Green Bay was not that great And then he was out all last year with an injury. He's He's 40 years old and he's coming off an Achilles injury. How do you, how do you think that he's going to have that good of a year? I don't get it.
Jacob Litton:Yeah, if you were betting on that, I don't think that you bet that he's gonna have that good of a year. I mean, that's just because of his name, because of who he is.
Jason Harwood:Yeah.
Jacob Litton:Aaron Rodgers eight. They put CJ Stroud. Number seven.
Jason Harwood:We could talk about number five too. That's, you know, Matt, our buddy, Matt Stafford. When he was at the lions, he gets zero respect all the stuff, you know, he's like, Oh, he, You know he's got all these stats because he comes from behind but when you read about these things people are just like go gaga over him and I'm happy for him I have nothing but love for Matt Seford he was I, I really liked Matt Safford when he was here and I think he's just a good person in general, he just seems like it. It just irks me that, suddenly when he's not on the lions that he's suddenly seen as this, you know, elite talent. It's, it's unbelievable. And the highest rank that someone ranked Matt Safford was three. The lowest was 10 for Matt. Um, and if you're going back to Aaron Rodgers, the highest that someone ranked him was three. Someone thought that Aaron Rodgers is the number. Three quarterback in this league. I, I just, I don't get it. The highest that Jared golf got rated was five. So that, I mean, that's a good sign of respect, but the lowest was out of the top 10. Obviously the Lions think that he's a top player. They gave him a huge contract. I'm glad that he's my quarterback. Um, and they actually have golf rated ahead of Dak. So what do you think about that?
Jacob Litton:Yeah. I thought that was cool. I was expecting to, would it be on this list somewhere to DAC it to, uh, but you know, you start looking at all these quarterbacks, a lot of them that I think are on a level playing field, obviously my homes is number one, but in my opinion, after my home is where the drop off is, and that's where you can kind of, you know, they're all different styles of quarterback to, you know, Lamar Jackson's a completely different quarterback than Matthew Stafford. They're both completely different quarterbacks than Jared Goff. just interesting. They're all different kinds of players playing the same position. And therefore it's really hard to try to put them in order and grade them. Appropriately.
Jason Harwood:I think it's also with a quarterback. You're going to judge them on wins and losses more than any other position. I mean, you're not going to judge Jameer Gibbs on win losses. You're going to judge Jared Goff on a win and loss. So, you know, you're always going to have that. Some players get judged more, you know, post season performance. I think Lamar Jackson drops down on this list because of post season performance as opposed, cause he was the league MVP. And, you know, he's number four on this list. So that tells you something that people look at. Things differently, the weird one for me on this list is Justin Herbert at number six. I like Justin Herbert a lot, he's had some pretty good talent around him and he's You know, whether it's just the chargers, um, just team in general and just the dysfunction on that. It'll be interesting to see what Harbaugh can get out of there. Obviously a good coach, be interesting to see what happens now, but they've kind of gutted that team, uh, really. And so we'll see. Get rid of, his number one target Keenan Allen. That's going to be a tough for him, but I would rather have golf right now than Justin Herbert, just, just because of on my team, but I don't know, you know, if you put Justin Herbert in here, what the kind of numbers he could put up, I'm sure he could put up ridiculous numbers just for having that offensive line, nice running game, awesome wide receiver. It's interesting, I just, the, the love that Justin Herbert gets, but he really hasn't accomplished much in this league,
Jacob Litton:No, the stats really aren't there. The wins aren't there. It's kind of just the hype still keeping them rolling.
Jason Harwood:you know,
Jacob Litton:you know, great arm talent. Definitely can throw the ball.
Jason Harwood:mm hmm.
Jacob Litton:hasn't translated much so far.
Jason Harwood:Yeah, it kind of reminds me of just something at Stafford, he, he's not putting up the stats that Stafford was putting up, but he's just gotten a really, Good arm, really personable seems like a good guy, you usually judges quarterbacks that wins and losses and, he hasn't won much, but yeah, he's still ranked high up there. So it's kind of interesting, um, that he's on there. CJ Stroud up there, someone ranked him as high as number two, which I found very interesting. I think that's a little high, not a little high, a lot high actually.
Jacob Litton:that's the hype.
Jason Harwood:Yeah, it is
Jacob Litton:He finished the year off really well last year, but I mean, you still don't know exactly how well he's going to be.
Jason Harwood:right. There's always seems to be, you have a really good year and then, teams are ready for you the following year and they've studied tape on you for a year and might be able to figure some things out to confuse you on defense. I liked their coach. I don't expect too much of a fall off for him, but it's, it's happened, anything else you want to add on the quarterbacks? I
Jacob Litton:out the Josh Allen thing. Cause that's another one that he's consistently rated towards the highest list of the quarterbacks the wins are there, as far as the playoff performance goes, the fact is turnover rate is so high know, how long are we just going to rank, rank him as a perennial number three until his career's over, even though he's got nothing to show for it.
Jason Harwood:agree with you on that. I think he's got unreal talent. I think just, you know, his, uh, his ability to run and baby just basically truck over people is pretty impressive. He wasn't rated, someone rated number one, someone rated him above Patrick Mahomes. Josh Allen has one. I mean, that's where, you know, you're talking about Herbert. He hasn't had much success in the playoffs. Josh Allen has run into Patrick Mahomes and he had him beat, you know, got down to that 12 seconds and then, you know, Patrick Holmes did what he did. But last year showed me the limitations on Josh Allen. He just, he can be a very frustrating player, uh, just makes frustrating mistakes sometimes. And we've dealt with that with Stafford here, you know, just doing amazing talent, you're trying to carry the team and that's what it felt like Josh Allen was trying to do and just do too much and you start making mistakes.
Jacob Litton:Absolutely. It feels like the window for them is closing though. He's still a young quarterback, but you know, they lost digs and everything. It's going to be an interesting year,
Jason Harwood:Yeah, and they've lost a lot on that defense too. So I, you know, he's going to have even more pressure to perform next year just because, I expect them to have to do more shootouts. So,
Jacob Litton:right?
Jason Harwood:That kind of wraps up the ESPN list. Um, speaking of rankings next week, it starts on Monday, July 22nd. They're the NFL's Starts doing their list from the top 100 players out of all the lists that we'll talk that we've talked about the PFF list, the ESPN list. This is the one that I probably respect the most. This comes from just other players in the league, and it's usually pretty representative of where a player belongs for the most part that I've noticed. So that starts next Monday. It's going to be released on NFL plus every weekday, all the way leading up to Friday, August 2nd, they're going to do the top 10 list. So I highly recommend it's very entertaining. Go through and just have players talk about other players and it's, I really enjoy it. So, um, what do you think about that, Jacob?
Jacob Litton:Oh, we look forward to it every year. Uh, like you said, it's players vote. Um, you know, it's largely based on how the year went last year. Without as much, you know, cause that's the thing about that ESPN list too. Aaron Rogers is a good example. He didn't even play last year. They're putting him on the list based on what he's done and where they think he may do next year. list generally goes off of how you played last year versus where you're at now.
Jason Harwood:Mm hmm.
Jacob Litton:wouldn't expect Aaron Rogers to be on the list. to mean that he won't be, he won't sneak in somehow, but I mean, usually that's just how they do things.
Jason Harwood:Yep. I agree. Quickly, we're going to review over the top 100 last year. The Lions had three on the list. Jared Goff came in at, at 66. So that was our highest ranked player coming in last year was Jared Goff at 66. Uh, 67 is his. Partner I'm in Ross St. Brown and then 88 on the list was Aiden Hutchinson. So Hutch made the list last year at 88. I expect him to be hired this year. Um, so well, a fun exercise that Jacob and I thought we were, we were going to guess how many lions are going to be on the top 100 next year, and then we also have a placement, a rough, range of where they're going to end up. So, um, I have six lions on my list. Jacob that I think are gonna be the top 100. How many do you have?
Jacob Litton:So I actually have five on here that I've listed as locks and then two that I think should be on there, but I'm not sure that they'll put on there.
Jason Harwood:All right.
Jacob Litton:I have a total of seven.
Jason Harwood:Okay.
Jacob Litton:I'm going to go first just, but to lead into what happened with the last year's list, know, the episodes they drop, the first one's going to be whoever's ranked 100 to 90, I
Jason Harwood:they're doing 20 at the first episode, then it's 10 for all the other following ones. You, you want me to go first? So you want to go first?
Jacob Litton:well, I have my honorable mention
Jason Harwood:Yeah, why don't you do your honorable mention, then I'll shoot it over to me.
Jacob Litton:The first one I'm going to say on here is that Frank Ragnow should be on that list because of his position. Like you said, with the exposure and everything like that, because of his position, I don't think he's going to make it. They don't typically put centers on there. I don't believe. I feel like he's done enough and that he should be a top 100 player. I don't think that he's going to make the list.
Jason Harwood:You don't make that less and less, uh, as a center, unless you're like Jason Kelsey and you have the personality to go along with it. Frank's got a great personality, but not as outgoing as Jason Kelsey.
Jacob Litton:No, Frank's out fishing somewhere and he's not on the pods.
Jason Harwood:He doesn't care about the, he doesn't care about, uh, lists like this. He's just
Jacob Litton:No,
Jason Harwood:worried about how many walleyes catching
Jacob Litton:Uh, okay. So next one I have that I didn't call a lock, but I think should be a lock. I'm just worried he's going to get snubbed and that's going to be Sam Laporta. I'm hoping that we see him in the first episode, that 95 to 100 range on how he played last year, you could put him pretty high on that list, but. Rookie tight end, you know, the people that we already talked about for the other list that, you know, are going to be ranked above him, I don't know that he's going to make it. I'm not. Not enough to call him a lock, but I hope that I see him on there towards the end. Was he one of your guys or no?
Jason Harwood:he is. He's I got him higher. I think he's a lock to make it. He was all pro. I think that he's going to make it. I am up at 75 though. He's the top player, he's top 100 in the league for sure. Um, my lowest ranked player that I had on the list, however, is, uh, Josh, so I got Gibbs coming in at, 93 on my list. He's a weapon. I just, He, uh, he's a game changer and exactly what Brad Holmes thought he was going to be, uh, coming out. That's exactly what he's turned into us, uh, into for us. Do you have him on your list, Jamir?
Jacob Litton:of my locks. I put, I think Gibbs is going to be in the 80 to 90 range.
Jason Harwood:So we're in the same ballpark on that. All right. Who's the next one on your list?
Jacob Litton:um, so the next one I have Jared Goff. I think that he's going to be on here. I think he's still going to pretty close to where he was last year. I think he's going to be around 60 to 70.
Jason Harwood:Yep. That's where I got golf. I got golf at 70. He was at 66 last year. He probably deserves to be higher, um, than 66. But like we talked about earlier, Jared golf doesn't get, um, near the amount of respect that, uh, he deserves. However, I'm going to say for my, just my own personal belief. When Jared golf came here, I went with the national media on that. Just. You know, what, what I saw was a lot of low lights, especially as last year at the Rams. So I did not have high hopes and thinking he was going to be the guy that. You know, win playoff games for us, but if you watch the games and you just see how he doesn't clutch situations and how cool he is and his ability to move around in the pocket has definitely gotten better in his time here. I, I've noticed that he's been able to avoid sacks and, uh, you know, he, you know, Chuck's it on fourth down. That's the highest pressure he's going to have as a quarterback. he deserves. To be higher. I'm glad he's my quarterback, but I think he's going to be pulled around 65 to 70. I have 70 on my list, but anywhere in that same range he was last year. And I, you know, that's, that's fair. But, um, again, I'm happy. He's my quarterback. So,
Jacob Litton:Well said. Shots out to Jason. Good take.
Jason Harwood:So, all right. What, uh, what's next on your list? Who's the next guy?
Jacob Litton:Uh, okay, next one I have on my list is Hutchinson. And I have him going in the 50 to 60 range.
Jason Harwood:Okay.
Jacob Litton:like is lower than what he deserves, but I, being a realist, I guess, I think that's where we're going to see him.
Jason Harwood:Yeah. I have a lot to weigh up at 40, yeah, I love Hutch and I think he's got a lot of respect around the league. So I think he's going to be right. He's going to be way higher than 88 that he was last year. So it'll be good. So who's the next person on your list?
Jacob Litton:Um, next one I have is I'm on raw and I have him going in the 20 to 30 range.
Jason Harwood:All right, I got 35. Uh, I, I think he gets a little disrespect just because people view him as a slot receiver. Um, they generally people like outside receivers more, a little more flashy. Amun Ra can play out there and I think half the time he has played out there, but I think people mostly see him as a slot receiver. But man, like we've talked before, he's everything you want in a player. So, you know, he may be 35 on this list, but I can't imagine any other wide receiver I want. Just start by team other than him.
Jacob Litton:Definitely. Um, you know, I don't understand that hate either. Like you said, the whole slot thing. I don't, I don't care where you're lining up. You're catching the ball. You're finding the hole. You're getting in the end zone. That's not our fault. If they're not going to put their top corner over Amon Rod and you shadow him around.
Jason Harwood:well, I mean, he's getting first downs. When we needed a first down in our playoff game with the Rams, you know, who they went with. Everybody in the stadium knew that they were going to go to Amin Ra and he was still there. So, I mean, he just has that kind of rapport with Jared Goff and, you know, again, I love Amin Ra. He's, he's special. All right.
Jacob Litton:Glad he's a lion.
Jason Harwood:Yes, love it. We, uh, you know, he may have been disappointed seeing the 3 1 3 on his phone when the Lions drafted him, but it's kind of worked out for everybody. I could say he's, yeah, he's, uh, he did, um,
Jacob Litton:the draft picks are happy to see the 3
Jason Harwood:yeah, they're very, yeah. You could just tell the way they talk to talk and the things are like, oh yes, solid team. So,
Jacob Litton:Right.
Jason Harwood:all right. And I think there's some cache about being drafted by the Lions. It's a Lions draft. Football players, guys that love football. And just to say, okay, these guys believe in me. They know that, you know, I love football is probably also a good feeling for them out of it. All right. So we, for my, my accounts, we have one guy left on this list, um, for the lions. Um, correct. Do you got one guy left? Yeah.
Jacob Litton:I
Jason Harwood:So
Jacob Litton:before, but yes,
Jason Harwood:yeah. It's Penne. So where do you have Penne? You got them in the top 10?
Jacob Litton:I have Fennay just outside. I think he's going between 10 and 20.
Jason Harwood:Yep. I got 15. So we're right in the same range. Again, Jacob and I do not. Uh, you know, we didn't say any of the players or the numbers ahead of time. So it's pretty good. And we're right there. I like the way we do this so that we can kind of get, it's our checks and balance system on this. So, but yeah, everybody gets, gets to discover where we put players, um, when we do so, but yeah, top player, super happy again, along with Amin Ra, uh, pillar of the team, what else can you say? He's just, he's a football player and I love him on our team.
Jacob Litton:hundred percent. Great traffic. Shout out to Panay. He just got married.
Jason Harwood:Yeah, I did.
Jacob Litton:on with the Lions and weddings, but I think we've had like five players get married over this off season.
Jason Harwood:I know they're all getting rings, uh, you know, wedding rings, but it's time for us to get Super Bowl rings next year. They're gonna get their second ring of the year. So yeah, they, you know, well, it's kind of crazy. You signed those big contracts and Yup. Sign that marriage contract too. So it's awesome. Uh, another exercise that Jacob and I want to do, we're going to talk about the top 10 players from 2023 that was on the NFL list, and then we're going to. Guess which players that were in that top 10 are no longer going to be in that top 10. And then we're going to go after that. We're going to talk about our top five NFL players. I'm going to go through the top 10 and then I'll Jacob, I'll let you go. We'll just got to go back and forth. The, who we think is going to be off the top list here. So number one. It was Patrick Mahomes last year. Number two, Justin Jefferson. Number three, Jalen Hurts. Number four, Nick Bosa. Number five, Travis Kelsey. Number six, Joe Burrow. Number seven, Tyreek Hill. Eight, Josh Allen. Number nine, Micah Parsons. And number 10, Chris Jones. How many players do you have that are not going to be on that list next year?
Jacob Litton:So I think you could make a case that as many as. Maybe four of these guys might not make the top 10 next year.
Jason Harwood:I have four that will not make it next year. So, so my first.
Jacob Litton:a nice role, but I mean, yeah, go
Jason Harwood:Yeah, my first one that I for sure will not be in this top 10 is, uh, that was number three at Jalen hurts. He will not be in the top 10 just based on last year, uh, last year's performance. Um, you know, last year to get on this list, he was coming off the Superbowl year and he played lights out. So, I mean, and he had played really good, but last year was not as best year. I mean, there could be a lot of the reasons could be injury or whatever. He's not going to be on that, uh, top 10 list this coming up here. Yeah. Uh, you agree? It sounds like
Jacob Litton:Yeah, I actually, you know, I had him and, uh, one other person with the biggest drop off. Cause I think he, you know, I think he should fall out of the top 20, probably even further than that
Jason Harwood:you talking about Hertz.
Jacob Litton:hurt. Yeah.
Jason Harwood:Yeah,
Jacob Litton:that I, um, fallen dropping out pretty far as Joe Burrow. And you know, that's also. Because of the injury, you know, maybe I know he tried to play through the first injury and everything, and that's probably why his numbers weren't very good when he did play. Um, but he didn't have a great year last year. And most of the time with these lists, it's really about what you did last year versus what, you know, we think you're going to do. So I think Burrow's dropping out of the top 10. I don't think he'll drop as far as hurts, I mean, like I said, the injury, I don't know how much they're going in that. I feel like they both could drop significantly.
Jason Harwood:I think so too. I think, um, yeah, definitely Jalen Hurts more than Joe Burrow. Um, you know, Jalen Hurts, if he was injured, just played through it. And so that doesn't look as good as Joe Burrow just being out. Cause you're playing that game of what if, however, uh, the Bengals played pretty well, even without Joe Burrow, I mean, for, I mean, for that division, that's pretty. Fairly tough to vision. You look at that and you're like, Hmm, you know, Joe. Maybe Joe isn't, you know, as dynamite as we thought he was, but you know, I like Joe Burrow, but he has also had, he's been having some injury things so that you got to think about that, you know, and they're, you know, Bengals struggle to protect him and then that leads to the injury. So that's one thing that's nice about, you know, us with the offensive line, Jerichoff stays upright for the most part, reduces injury risk. So, um, all right. So those are your two big ones. My Another one that I think that's probably gonna drop off is Travis Kelsey. He didn't have a strong I, he didn't have as strong a year last year, and I just don't see him being in top 10. Huh?
Jacob Litton:He's dating Taylor Swift.
Jason Harwood:I mean, he may have like a top year for himself, I mean it sounds like it personally, but as far as on the football field, he's definitely not, uh, I don't think that he's viewed in that way. Top 10 range right now. Um, that's my opinion. He had a fair, he had some drops, uh, last year too, that were just uncharacteristic of him. Um, so, and he's just getting older too. So I, I, I
Jacob Litton:Right.
Jason Harwood:that Travis Kelsey makes that top 10 list. Um, what do you, what's your next on there?
Jacob Litton:Yeah, just um, he had the injury thing happen and then it just felt like when he was out there because the Chiefs didn't really have too many other receiving threats, they definitely paid a lot more attention to him than they usually do. You know, they had a linebacker safety over top, watch them the whole time. was getting frustrated. Like you said, then the drop started happening too. When he had the spots, you're, you're right. He really did not have a great year at all.
Jason Harwood:No, he won the super bowl. So I guess that's good.
Jacob Litton:yeah, well,
Jason Harwood:Yeah,
Jacob Litton:doesn't matter on a personal level, as long as the team wins
Jason Harwood:yeah, yep, for sure.
Jacob Litton:those three, I had one more person and. This one, I think if he's not top 10, he's probably still going to be pretty close, but I had Nick Bosa don't think he had as great of a year as he did previously, he's still a great player. Still a top defensive end. So I don't know. I think he'd probably be, if he drops, he's going to be pretty close to 10 still.
Jason Harwood:Yeah, I think he still makes the top ten. My other player that I had listed is Josh Allen dropping out. So he was rated eight last year. I don't think he did, I don't think he would be raised on that list. So I have, you know, three quarterbacks falling out of that top ten list. So typically those are your, I
Jacob Litton:love. I
Jason Harwood:know,
Jacob Litton:Josh Allen was still rated number one on pro football focus last year.
Jason Harwood:Mm hmm.
Jacob Litton:We already talked about him before. He gets a lot of love. He's highly rated all the time. I guess, uh, you know, for the players too, I don't think he's going to drop out of the top 10,
Jason Harwood:Losing digs and everything like that. They, they might, you know, hold that, hold that against him. So that's my, that's my opinion. Our personal opinion is Josh Allen's going to fall out. Um, I think Nick Bosa stays in there, but I don't think he's going to be, he's not going to come in at number four again. He'll be probably slip a little bit. Um, but I definitely, um, wouldn't be surprised if Josh Allen falls out, but I agree with you. Jalen Hurts and Joe Burrow are the two quarterbacks I think fall out of the top 10.
Jacob Litton:Right. Those are the two glaring ones for me.
Jason Harwood:Let's talk about our top five, um, top five players. Let's just, uh, start at number five. Who do you got? Number five.
Jacob Litton:Uh, number five, I have Tyree kill.
Jason Harwood:All right. Number five. I have CMC, uh, Christian McCaffrey. Um, number four. What do you got?
Jacob Litton:I've got CMC at number four.
Jason Harwood:Okay. I got Myles Garrett at number four.
Jacob Litton:Okay. I can see how this is going to go
Jason Harwood:Yeah.
Jacob Litton:I have miles Garrett.
Jason Harwood:Number three. I have Lamar. I think Lamar moves up just cause MVP season. I think he's going to be up there.
Jacob Litton:Yeah. When I was making this, I put Lamar at number six. I had
Jason Harwood:yeah,
Jacob Litton:the fringe just outside.
Jason Harwood:you know? All right. Number two, who you got?
Jacob Litton:Number two, I've got Patrick Mahomes.
Jason Harwood:All right, I got, um, Justin Jefferson at number two, same, I, I don't think that he drops off that list. He did nothing last year other than to get injured to drop from number two, in my opinion. He signed that big contract too, so people are going to be, uh, eyeing him for that. Um, and who you got number one then?
Jacob Litton:I I've got jets at number one.
Jason Harwood:I still got Patrick Mahomes at number one. He won the super bowl quarterback of a super bowl team. She's not going to drop out of there. He, you know, the only reason he drops out of there is that people have too high of expectations for Patrick Mahomes, you know, yeah.
Jacob Litton:news.
Jason Harwood:And that's, that's what he's going to fall into the Tom Brady thing. It's just like, at some point you just get, uh, immune to the greatness and you just kind of expect it. And then you just look for faults. You look for that player to drop a little bit, but he's, as long as he's winning Super Bowls, you know, it's going to be hard to take him off number one on that list, but when quarterback of the Super Bowl team is going to be number one, uh,
Jacob Litton:You know, for Justin Jefferson to do what he did with the quarterback room that he had and you know, that revolving door of all the different quarterbacks that were playing and they didn't have time to game plan and for him to be able to still, you know, put up the season, put up the numbers and everything that he did, he was hurt too. That's why I put him number one.
Jason Harwood:yeah, well, I mean, it helps when you're facing Cam Sutton, two out of three weeks, you know, that'll, that'll pad your numbers. But no. Jets deserves to be up there. I mean, I don't, I don't see an argument with that. He's, you know, the highest paid non quarterback in the league for a reason. He's, he's, he's a game changer. And you know, at the wide receiver position, you're so susceptible to, like you said, quarterback play. And. You know, even when they were throwing out their, you know, their rookies or, Josh Dobbs, he's still, you know, Jets is still doing his thing and he's, he's just an amazing wide receiver. So, um, speaking of Jets, we get to see him on the wide receiver show. It's kind of nice to see him that kind of side of him. Um, But our thoughts are going to be with another wide receiver that's on that show. And that's our boy Amun Ra. So, um, what episode are you up to right now?
Jacob Litton:I only watched the first one
Jason Harwood:You're on the watch first.
Jacob Litton:the one I think of Monroe was pretty heavily
Jason Harwood:He's heavily featured on there. So I'm going to pause for a second. We're going to talk, we're not going to go into depth. I don't think there's too much spoiler information, but if you kind of want to go into that show blind, you could skip to the Honolulu Blitz. That's our next section. I'll have it chapter marked down below. So if you want to. Do that. I'd say, you know, skip ahead right now, but however, we're going to talk a little bit about the show. I'm up to episode four, Jake. I can't really, I don't won't speak past episode one. Cause that's where Jacob's at. Um, my boy loves the show too much for us to not go ahead and watch it. And actually my wife is like super digging it too. So I'm kind of in a happy dad mode. I get to, uh, get to watch the show with my family and
Jacob Litton:Yeah,
Jason Harwood:getting our, getting our football fix in this, uh, Dry period, you know before training camp hits. So what were your thoughts on episode one?
Jacob Litton:Uh, I love the show. You know, I love the quarterback show. So I mean, I was excited that Amanra is going to be on there. Really cool to see it in depth. Um, you know, they showed some stuff with his dad, which we saw on hard knocks, like the same kind of, uh, interview, the same kind of setup and stuff like that. But it's still cool just to see, you know, behind the scenes stuff, especially with it being a Detroit lion. know, you see the stuff about the injury that he went through and, you know, just how bad it was when, you know, we don't really get that insight during the season, we don't know to what extent he's hurt like that. so, I mean, that was all very cool.
Jason Harwood:They did the Amun Ra thing right at the beginning They introduced him and it's like I know all the receivers that are rated ahead of him You know this disrespect the fact that he didn't want to go Detroit like all these tropes that we've kind of you know We've all heard You know, for me, I'm from Detroit, but people that outside of Detroit may, you know, that may not know that about Amin Ra. So it was, I was glad they got that stuff out of the way right away. Um, cause it's just like the whole math through Stafford went to high school with Clayton Kershaw. You know, you just get tired of that same fact being thrown out over and over again. But, um, is it possible that Amin Ra. Is even tougher than we thought. Like,
Jacob Litton:it looks that way, doesn't it?
Jason Harwood:uh, unbelievable. So I'll wait till you get a little bit later. You're going to find out some other things, is he going to get on Detroit sports, um, Mount Rushmore of toughness? Do you think I'm in route? He's making his way up there. I mean, as long
Jacob Litton:his way there,
Jason Harwood:as unbelievable. And, uh, I think just the amount of respect. That we're all gaining for him is impressive he just blew me away with playing a torn oblique off the bone. Like, unbelievable.
Jacob Litton:Right. Sidelines other people for a really long time and he's playing with it. You know, it's cool for him. We already know a certain level of inside information. And we know the story about. You know, we know that he keeps that notebook with the receivers drafted before him. But like you said, there's a lot of people that don't know that about him. There's a lot of people, NFL fans are just watching the show and maybe they'll be, I'm on raw fans now. Maybe he'll get a little more respect and be thought of. Um, more highly than he was before the show came out he deserves it. Definitely. He, you know, like we talked about with these rankings and everything, doesn't get a whole lot of love, um, when he needs to. So that's cool. You know, that the show's out there painting him in a positive light, you know, just showing the real side of him, Manra. My biggest thing is that I know what's coming. I know they're going to show the game against the 49ers. They're going to give us the inside scoop, the behind the scenes. We got to relive that again. You already made me talk about it on the pod
Jason Harwood:Yeah, hey, I'm dreading the ending of the year, um, just because of that. And there's two 49, what makes it even worse is that there's two 49er, you know, George could all tight end Debo Samuel wide receivers on there. So we're gonna, they're going to. Show the elation on the other side of it too. So that's going to make it even worse. Cause not only are we going to see the despair on Amun Ra on the lion sideline, we're going to have to look at it through, you know, the other side too. And I'm not looking forward to that. So, all right, we're going to get into our next segment and it is our favorite segment. Uh, at least it is mine. The Honolulu Blitz. I'm gonna ask Jacob, so we're going to, uh, get through our five questions here. The first one is, what rank were the Lions last year in rushing yards in the NFL?
Jacob Litton:six.
Jason Harwood:Number five. So close. Very good. Yup. Uh, surprisingly the bears are number two though. I was really surprised by that, but then I remembered who their quarterback was last year and I realized exactly why they were that high. Those are yes. Um, you know, he had to play the Lions defense twice. So he got. You know, he got his yards, uh, and last year in what game did Amun Ra have his most receptions?
Jacob Litton:Denver
Jason Harwood:Incorrect. Um, it was the Ravens. Any care to guess how many catches he had in that game?
Jacob Litton:14.
Jason Harwood:13. Close. All right. That was a bonus question. All right. Who had the fastest recorded speed in a game last year?
Jacob Litton:It was a dolphin. Wasn't it
Jason Harwood:It was not a dolphin. I
Jacob Litton:that's where I would have went.
Jason Harwood:know. That's where I figured you would go. It's not. It's not Tyreek. So that was, um,
Jacob Litton:Tyreke, a chan, one of those guys. Okay, not a dolphin. Was it Ja?
Jason Harwood:no, it is DK Metcalf actually at 22. 23 miles per hour.
Jacob Litton:slant against the cowboys, was it
Jason Harwood:Yes, it was 71 yards. So
Jacob Litton:Man.
Jason Harwood:yeah,
Jacob Litton:felt like he was going that fast.
Jason Harwood:I, Played this game with my son before when I went over the questions and that's as exact. He goes, it was that play against the Cowboys, wasn't it? And I go, yep, it was. All right. So this one is not trivia question, but if you could have a beer with any current Lions player, who would you want to drink that beer with
Jacob Litton:Frank Ragnow.
Jason Harwood:Frank? All right, cool. All right. So the Eminem album dropped last week. I know you've listened to it all, um, outside of Houdini and Toby, the two songs that were released at a time. Do you have a favorite song on that, on that? Album, yep.
Jacob Litton:I like the song Evil.
Jason Harwood:Okay.
Jacob Litton:that gets stuck in my head. Good chorus.
Jason Harwood:Minus Fuel. I love that song. That's
Jacob Litton:that's a good song
Jason Harwood:If you,
Jacob Litton:Part 2, that's
Jason Harwood:oh, that's, that's, that's sweet. So it's a pretty interesting album. I do like it. Uh, it's pretty heavy at some points. I think, um, but that Fuel one is with JID and JID rips it up at the beginning. And then Eminem has one of my favorite verses of all time on there. Uh, it's unreal. And then he takes some huge shots at P Diddy. You got to listen to the lyrics on there if you haven't. So, all right. So, all right, man, I'm, I'm up, hit me up.
Jacob Litton:Alright, here we go. If the Top 100 list existed back in the 90s, how high would Barry Sanders have made it?
Jason Harwood:Uh, he would have been number one on a few, like for the whole nineties or just like individual years. Do you, uh,
Jacob Litton:So like, you know, if you're just saying you can pick just in
Jason Harwood:okay. Yeah.
Jacob Litton:would he have made it?
Jason Harwood:Yeah.
Jacob Litton:running back ever to be number one. How high
Jason Harwood:But running backs were looked different in the nineties than, than they are now. So quarterbacks weren't as. Like celebrated back then. I mean, certainly celebrated and mentioned, but it wasn't the running back was the thing on in the, in the nineties, in, in the eighties. And so, you know, everything in fantasy football was running back related, everything. So Barry would have definitely been number one, um, on that list. Cause especially with the players would have voted because he's, he could do things on the field that no other player could do. And I think the players would have respected that.
Jacob Litton:So not only are you going number one, you think he's number one multiple years. I
Jason Harwood:Um, yeah, I don't know. I don't know if he, I, I,
Jacob Litton:MVP season. So
Jason Harwood:he, yeah, I mean, he, yeah. So you had a running back MVP in there during that time. It just speaks to what I was saying that, you know, running backs were just looked at different during that time. I know you weren't really, you know, watching football as much during that time, but it was just, uh, just a different feeling and, they hadn't changed the passing rules at those times. So there was just a lot, you know, more hindrances on the quarterbacks, you know, as far as wide receivers getting open and everything like that. I mean, the line, you know, to get a hundred receptions in a year in the nineties was a really big deal. And now it's just commonplace for, you know, multiple receivers to get a hundred receptions. All right.
Jacob Litton:right. Number two, lions defensive end was the only lion to make the top 100 list in 2016? Wasn't sure if you've been researching the top 100s,
Jason Harwood:I had, I look back, I went back about five years, so I didn't go back to 2016. Um, was that Ziggy's year? Or is that, okay. Yeah. I was going to say Ziggy, I would say Cliff Averill was around that time too,
Jacob Litton:yep, Ezekiel Onslaught was number 43.
Jason Harwood:What he had like what 14 how many he had like 14 sacks one year or something like that I mean he was
Jacob Litton:he it was the year before that He did really well. They
Jason Harwood:yeah,
Jacob Litton:on that top
Jason Harwood:right and then he was injured every season after that so
Jacob Litton:right,
Jason Harwood:in the pan, but it was a dominant season. It was yeah exciting
Jacob Litton:a little bit of a forgotten lion now of the projected 32 starting quarterbacks for this season How many were drafted number one overall? Don't try to go through every team in
Jason Harwood:I'm trying to yeah, it's just I I'm gonna guess Six
Jacob Litton:Oh close, so there were eight I Um, next ones are not right and wrong. They're more opinion questions. If Calvin Johnson waited one more year and retired after the 2016 season, how far do we make it that year? We made it to the playoffs, but we lost our playoff game.
Jason Harwood:Was that, what, was that the Seattle year? What year was that?
Jacob Litton:that was Seattle.
Jason Harwood:Okay. You know, this is going to be a controversial take, but I really feel like Matthew Stafford changed. Um, on an offensive player, cause it seems like he relied on Calvin too much and tried to push the ball to him. And why not? I mean, Calvin Johnson was unreal. So I, I don't know if we get any further to be honest with you, but I not saying that this is not the discredit Calvin at all, but I just think that Matthew Stafford was, you know, a better quarterback in the sense that he spread the ball around a lot better and didn't feel like the pressure to get it to Calvin. That being said, I wish Calvin was, you You know, played a few more years on our team. Uh, I take them on our team right now. So
Jacob Litton:Yeah. Good answer. Another really good take. Look at you.
Jason Harwood:man
Jacob Litton:All right. Last question. Who will have the number one overall pick next year? What team?
Jason Harwood:team, is it Carolina? No, I Carolina is mine up there. I, I just, I feel so bad for Bryce Young cause they, you know, he's in a terrible situation. He has no talent around him. And so, you know, he's going to be judged as the number one quarterback and he just has nothing around him. You know, CJ Stroud, number two. Came in and, he's got at least got Nico and, you know, he had tank Dell and he's got some other wide receivers that just, you know, played, you know, better to, um, I feel really bad, but I can't see anyone being worse than Carolina and they traded it or they, uh, they traded it. Burns, they traded, right? So he didn't just leave the team. Yeah. So they got rid of their best offensive player too. So, I mean, I can't imagine them being any, it's just like, they gave up so much to draft Bryce. And then, you know, they were so talent deficient to begin with. And, uh, you know, it's, it's not a good situation. It's kind of like what happened. Justin Fields came in with the bears. It's just like you draft this quarterback, but you have no one around him to play. to play well. And, uh, it seems like, you know, if you do it the other way where you get talent and then you bring in the quarterback, you're setting them up for success. But yeah, Carolina is, I think, an easy pick. Is that where you got any other choices or is that where you were thinking?
Jacob Litton:you know, there's a couple like perennial like people you got like the Raiders people don't know about the Patriots The Panthers obviously there's some toss ups down there.
Jason Harwood:Yeah, Patriots are another one of those. It just depends on how that rookie quarterback
Jacob Litton:Right,
Jason Harwood:over there, Drake May. But I, I don't know, in Arizona always, um, I have no belief in Kyler Murray. He's not one of the guy that I think is You know, I wouldn't pay him the money to be my starting quarterback. I don't think he's all in for team play. And frankly, Marvin Harrison seems, um, very distracted by the outside football stuff. So I, it's not a good, uh, good thing when they're already, you know, thinking about contracts and all this stuff that's off the field. It just shows their focus, in my opinion, it just shows their focus is somewhere else. So I don't have faith in Arizona either.
Jacob Litton:Yeah agreed
Jason Harwood:And I, and our boy, Jim Harbaugh on San Diego, that's a tough, uh, you know, you're going to have,
Jacob Litton:Diego
Jason Harwood:I mean, yeah, shoot. Yeah, good. I'll leave that in because that just shows my age. Yeah. But in Los Angeles, so I, I love Jim Harbaugh, but I don't think that this year is going to be the year. He's going to, um, be able to transform what he wants, a vision of what he wants a team to be. So.
Jacob Litton:I think you got to give him at least a few years But I mean, he's got Justin Herbert, you know,
Jason Harwood:He's got a good building block.
Jacob Litton:but right.
Jason Harwood:In my opinion, he's going to want to do what he did in, you know, in Michigan is you build the offensive lineup, you dominate there and you dominate, um, the back, you know, you want to rush, you want to impose your will, and then, you know, you got Justin Herbert, so, but they've gotten rid of, you know, their best,
Jacob Litton:right
Jason Harwood:got rid of their two,
Jacob Litton:have a top five pick next year
Jason Harwood:um, Yeah, I think that they're definitely in the talks. Now, Jim Harbaugh is a wild card because he could do better, but you know, you're playing Patrick Mahomes twice a year. You do get the Raiders twice a year. So,
Jacob Litton:the Broncos, the Broncos. we don't know.
Jason Harwood:Bonix is the answer. So, man, you're, you know, yeah, no, no,
Jacob Litton:If
Jason Harwood:yeah,
Jacob Litton:so,
Jason Harwood:no, I do not think so. I was being sarcastic. So, all right, man, I think we can wrap it up here. It was fun going through this list and going through all this stuff. So I had a good time. Hope everybody listening had a good time. We will see you next week. Go lions.