Talking Grit: A Detroit Lions Podcast
Talking Grit: A Detroit Lions Podcast
E17: Stock up and Stock Down; Roster Cuts Looming
In this episode of Talking Grit, Jason Harwood and Jacob Litton discuss the upcoming roster cut-off on Tuesday, August 27th, and its implications for the Detroit Lions. They assess the performances of various players whose stock is either rising or falling, focusing on the wide receiver and safety positions, and talk about players like James Houston and Stephen Gilmore. They also cover recent injuries, including Penei Sewell's incident in practice. The hosts dive into roster questions about the kicker position, backup quarterbacks, and potential additions to the team. They conclude with a light-hearted Honolulu Blitz segmen
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Welcome everybody to another episode of talking grit. I'm Jason Harwood and with me is Jacob Litton. We are going to talk about stock up and stock down today. Roster cutoff is on Tuesday, August 27th. So it's a. Coming up rather quickly here. We were recording this on Wednesday night. We're hoping to get this out Thursday. So, you know, you're going to have like four or five days to get your last roster, uh, roster cut down. Um, we got a preseason game in between, Jacob and I are going to go back and forth with players. So we're going to start with stock up and then we're going to go stock down. And then we have like three or four roster questions each. We're going to. Discuss that and then we'll get into, you know, the Honolulu blitz at the end. But before we start, there's a couple of things that we want to cover before we get to stock up, stock down. Uh, one thing, you know, a lot of people have questions about this wide receiver three position and what that truly means, Dan Campbell said, that, basically a Cleve Raymond is wide receiver three. The third best wide receiver on the team is essentially the way that I took it. But people keep saying, we're, you know, we're still looking for wide receiver three, what we're really looking for as a position, wide receiver X, the X position. That is the wide receiver. That's typically on the line. Amon Ra, St. Brown can play that position, but he's so good in the slot. We want to have him over there. Sometimes you want to have, you know, Joshua Reynolds was your typical Wide receiver X Calvin Johnson was a wide receiver X. There's someone that's on the line. They're closest to the DV. They're going to get jammed. So that's why, you know, that's what they're looking for is a bigger body type that can fight through those jams. I just wanted to clear that up for anyone that's wondering, you know, about all the wide receiver talk. Uh, next thing today, earlier today, Penae Sewell went down with an injury in practice. You want to talk about that a little bit, Jacob?
Jacob Litton:Uh, so basically we don't have a whole lot of information. The practice wasn't open, you know, to the public. It's pre season. They're not really required to give us too much information about the injury. We You know, heard that he went down, he was helped off to the side, you know, the trainers, everything, took a look at him. Justin Rogers, a beat writer for the Lions, he actually put out a tweet, said that, information from inside the building sounds like Penne is good and that we don't have anything to worry about. Uh, still not what you want to hear, that, you know, your top player went down in practice. They kind of use today, you know, most of the starters aren't going to play in the last preseason game. So they use today is kind of ramp up the scrimmage and get them some of that game action that they're missing out on. Uh, by not playing in the pre season game. So, you know, they are upping the intensity. Not uncommon for injuries to happen like that, so. It's encouraging that it sounds like, uh, we've avoided anything major. At
Jason Harwood:Penae was able to walk to the sideline himself. Justin Rogers described it as slowly walk back to the locker room, but it wasn't like a cart situation. So right off, you know, that's good that he's not, you know, they're not calling for the cart. And then the text that he tweeted out that he's good. I mean, it's rather cryptic. He's good, but to me, that means he's probably gonna be good for week one, um, that it's not like a major injury. So, um,
Jacob Litton:the same time, we aren't gonna hear any sort of confirmation or anything about that for probably at least a week.
Jason Harwood:yeah, I don't know. It depends on, cause there's no more media sessions before, and maybe someone asked Campbell about it on game day, who might be Get some information there. Cause especially if he has a press conference after the game, I'm sure someone's going to ask him how Penne's doing. So we might hear a little bit there, but you know, uh, we all collectively held our breath for a little bit and it's, you know, we can, I think we can breathe again. So take a deep breath,
Jacob Litton:That's just one of the worst headlines you can see, is
Jason Harwood:Uh, I
Jacob Litton:Penetual Hurt, Injured at Practice.
Jason Harwood:Yeah. Especially like the last, like practice before the last preseason game. Yeah. Not, uh, not ideal, but yep. It's, uh, looking like it's going to be okay. we're going to talk about stock up, stock down. First, we're going to start with stock up. So this is kind of collectively. Well, right now who's stock is rising right going into the last preseason game, who's stock is tanking. So we want to talk about that. So I'm going to throw it to you, Jacob, who's the first player that you know, you have for stock up.
Jacob Litton:Uh, so the first player I have for stock up, it's somebody that I've already mentioned a few times, but It seems like it stocks even higher than last time we talked about it, and I put Kyle Peko, defensive tackle, somebody who was brought in for a short term contract, didn't really have any sort of guarantee, we weren't sure what we were getting out of him, and then, you know, basically, we saw it in person, he's been making an impact in practice, he definitely looks like a difference maker, We are hearing that DJ Reader may not start off the season on the PUP list, so that's encouraging, but I still think that Kyle's, earned a depth spot, he's earned a spot on the roster, you know, he's getting a lot of reps with the starters in practice, and he has not played in the preseason games. Now, typically, if you're somebody fighting for a roster spot, they want to see what you can do in the game action. So the fact that he's not been out there in the preseason, I feel like he has locked up a roster spot.
Jason Harwood:I agree. And the practice report, um, that I read from earlier today's, they, they had a scrimmage in practice ones versus ones and CalPACO had. it quite a few times just getting tackles for loss or a sack or just pressure. So he's he's definitely peaking at the right time and you know, he might have an additional depth piece You know that rotate out with reader, you know If he can do you know, he's basically reader replacement until reader comes back but like you mentioned jacob he reader might Campbell said that he might be ready for next week. I think it gives a nice insurance policy that, you know, even it's, let's say reader is back, it's not like he's going to be ready to play, 30 snaps a game right out the chute. He hasn't been practicing and all that stuff. So, you know, even if we get them in for 10 snaps and then we pack out takes over, um, that, that can work too. So I'm. I agree with you that, and today's practice reports, it seems like his stock is even rising higher. I'm going to actually go with a player that hasn't played in the preseason, but it was just, uh, as I alluded to earlier with the wide receiver talk, Kalief Raymond, you know, Dan Campbell, basically they asked him in the press conference and he's like, yeah, Kalief Raymond is wide receiver three, which means that, you know, he's. Get plenty of looks in this offense. Uh, when I heard Dan Campbell said that I actually today went through NFL pro, you can look at it's a new thing. If you have an NFL plus premium, it's awesome. You could see the all 22 views and there's just. So much data. You can look at, I looked at every one of Caliph's receptions from last year. He had 35 receptions, um, on 44 targets for, he had 489 yards, one touchdown last year. I looked at every one of them just to see where they were lining him up and. How that they were utilizing him? Um, I noticed multiple screen plays where, you know, they want to utilize his speed, especially in space. Um, so I expect that to continue, but there was a lot of turbo motion where he was in motion running across the, the field and basically getting a head start. And, you know, I expect that to happen as well. So, and then there were times where he lined up as the X and was able to catch passes that way too. So he's a guy that can be used all over the field. I'm excited that he's going to get a better chance this, this season, if he's going to get more looks, but it sounds like Dan Campbell says it doesn't necessarily mean he's going to get more snaps. It's just that they might. You know, utilize them more in those snaps and have more plays for him as, as how I took it. he does a lot of special teams work. And so I don't expect, know, they don't want to tire him out from all that. So, um, I know earlier we had talked and we had mentioned about Cleve Raymond, I think it was in the PFF episode and you were expecting big things from him. Has your thoughts changed on that at all? Or they gotten stronger?
Jacob Litton:No, definitely I still feel the same way. I expect Kalief to have a big season. I think we've kind of gotten lost, uh, you know, in the whole wide receiver three versus the X wide receiver thing. Ben Johnson saying typically they like a little bit of length, they want a bigger target. That's why we were kind of looking at some of the other receivers that maybe they're going to be taking away snaps from Kalief. He's been a valuable part of the team. Obviously, we don't have to rely on him too much, but I just, I definitely think he's gonna have a better season than he did last year. I don't think it's possible for him not to. Really, I mean, we have those targets that we need to spread out. Like you said before, they're maybe not giving him more snaps, but he's not gonna be getting the ball more than he did before.
Jason Harwood:It's going to be more opportunities.
Jacob Litton:Can't say enough positive things about Kalief. Obviously, he's not Calvin Johnson. He's not gonna, you know, run a go route and out jump three guys to get to the ball.
Jason Harwood:no, but he's going to create separation and he'll go over the Um, he's got, incredible speed, that's why he's on special teams. So I, yeah, I'm, I'm excited for Khalif. He's a hard worker. Who do you got next on your list there, Jacob?
Jacob Litton:All right, next on stock up, I have Safety Brandon Joseph. So this is somebody else that kind of stood out in person when we were watching, and I think that this is translated to the preseason game as well. So, you know, the practice reports are that he's making an impact in practice. He, You know, he's been making plays in the preseason too. I think he led the team in tackles last week. He got a pick, um, he forced a fumble last week, he is showing that he has value on special teams, and I really think, uh, you know, if the safety position comes down to, you've got Branch, you have Iffy, you have Kirby. Those three are, locks, but then when you're looking at another, if they're going to keep only four, uh, You've got CJ Moore or Brandon Joseph, and if Brandon Joseph is, you know, outplaying him, you know, if he can actually play the safety position better than CJ can, I think you have to keep Brandon Joseph. And I really think he's played his way up to a roster spot.
Jason Harwood:Yep. He's played out. And that's, that's good. He's just been consistent, it seems to me. He had the interception, but he's not making just like one or two splash plays and that's why he's getting on there, just seems like he's consistent and that's what the Lions want, he's good on special teams. And yeah, I think he's got a pretty good shot of making the roster.
Jacob Litton:He spent last season with us as well. He didn't make the team right away. I believe he was practice squad most of the time. He still played in a couple games. You know, just when I look at those two between him and CJ Moore, I don't know that we're gonna have room to keep both of them. I think ideally you would just because of CJ's special team's value. But if you can only keep one, I definitely think that Brandon shows more out of the safety position.
Jason Harwood:Yeah. I mean, CJ Amore is probably the better special teams player.
Jacob Litton:Right.
Jason Harwood:but. Dave Fitt made the point that, you know, the time of making this team is only a special teams player is probably over, um, outside of, your specialist, you're, you could be right on the money there with, um, Brandon Joseph, he might, you know, just because he's better safety, he might have the inside track on getting that roster spot or lines could keep them both. We'll, we'll, we'll see how that goes.
Jacob Litton:Right.
Jason Harwood:all right. The next player that I'm going to talk about is, uh, Sione Vahki. We talked about him in the recap. I, you know, I'm, Yeah, I think of this as going to be like similar to almost how we had used Jamir Gibbs last year, where it's like, we didn't really see him very much the beginning of the year. We, you know, and we would see some, you know, a couple of plays here and there. Um, and then it took a little while for the Lions to have confidence in him, for Jamir Gibbs to have confidence. And I think the same thing with Vaki, although I think it may take Vaki even longer just because Vaki hasn't played the running back position very much in college. Um, so he's got, he's learning a new position, but he's already dangerous as a pass catcher. And when I see Vaki, the player, I, someone mentioned this the other day. I don't know what article I read and it was in there. It was like Theo Riddick. And that's what I see Vaki is like Theo Riddick. Um, you know, just. Dangerous out of the backfield will make a guy miss, you know, I loved when Theo was on the team and he wasn't that dynamic of a runner. I think that Vaki probably has the potential to be a better runner than him, but it's just going to take time to develop that. He's game day ready for a special teams. I think he might be on the kickoff return. the question is, is Kenny block and pass protection and Kenny run between the tackles. Those are the two things that he's probably got to work on the most. Anything you want to add on Vaki?
Jacob Litton:Yeah, no, I think you were spot on with the theoretic comparison. Uh, definitely in that last preseason game we showed flashes of that. What's interesting about him is, when we first drafted him, you know, his official position is running back slash safety, and we didn't really even know where we were going to put him. What are we putting him at? And, uh, you know, when we find out he's playing running back, there's no expectations for him. Like, he, you know, is out, he's learning. We're just trying to see what we have and I think he right away has been exceeding expectations and You're right like what we've seen so far He's actually playing towards actually getting playing time this year Which we didn't really even think with the random X on the roster was even gonna be possible.
Jason Harwood:Yeah, I mean, it's a good problem to have, right? We have too many weapons, but, they're going to train him and they're hoping to have a, you know, maybe he replaces Montgomery in a, you know, a few years of Montgomery's contracts done. Dan Campbell today says he's the best singer on the team.
Jacob Litton:Did you hear him sing?
Jason Harwood:I did not hear him sing,
Jacob Litton:You should listen to him sing though, it's on there. He sounds like a combination of Fergie and Jesus.
Jason Harwood:where, when, when does he, when does he sing?
Jacob Litton:It was, uh, I didn't see like the inside the uh, you know they usually do where they're inside the meeting room or whatever, like when Hutch did it. I didn't see that, but they had the media talking to him. And he just sang something real quick there. I was like, okay, I didn't expect him to have that kind of voice.
Jason Harwood:was that in the press conference today?
Jacob Litton:Yes, yeah. Well, it was after practice, but yeah. Look it up. He's got a good voice.
Jason Harwood:Yeah, I
Jacob Litton:Doesn't make him a good football player, but.
Jason Harwood:Well, he is a good football player, but not because of the voice.
Jacob Litton:Right, right, no. But yeah, I don't, I don't anticipate seeing him very much this year, but what we've seen so far, if he keeps on that trajectory, there's a chance we can throw him in a couple snaps and try to see what we can do. Especially if he's involved in special teams. Then he's gonna be active every week.
Jason Harwood:who's your next on your list there?
Jacob Litton:Alright, uh, so next on my list I have Isaiah Williams. So, undrafted wide receiver Isaiah Williams on my stock up list. And, really that's just because he's the only receiver who's shown us anything at all. He's been capitalizing on his opportunities. In practice I know he's been kind of up and down. But in the preseason, really every chance he's getting, he's been making the most of it. You know, he had the game. You know, with the downpours, he still comes up leading the team with, I think, four catches, like 30 yards. Uh, last week, the game against the Chiefs, he led six catches, 71 yards. He is making decent returns. I mean, he's basically, he's making an impact on these games. He's doing, what Fountain and what DPJ were not able to do. We just need to see something out of these guys. Uh, it's worth mentioning, I guess, the biggest issue that we have right now with Isaiah Williams is this whole X versus YZ. Receiver position because you know if we do keep Isaiah versus one of the other big guys He's not a traditional X receiver playing on the outside He's pretty much solely in the slot and you know We we do have Amon Ra spends a lot of time in there and Kalief So if we keep him, you know, do we have to move him around as much? How do we how do we make that work? I don't know for sure that he has a roster spot locked up just yet But I do think he's What we've seen so far puts him on the right track, and I think his stock is definitely going up,
Jason Harwood:Yup. I mean, he's had 12 total targets in the preseason. Like he said, he's total 10 for 106. He's. You know, in a room, they're looking for consistency. He's had, he's been consistently getting yards. You could argue that in the first game four for 35 on the service doesn't sound good, but it was better than every other wide receiver. There was poor quarterback play that game and just. The weather was horrendous as we talked about. So the expectations have to be lowered in that game as far as, you know, pass catching. He had a very nice return in the last game too on special teams that set up that game winning field goal at the end. Um, he did have a guess you called a fumble, he was trying to do too much and basically held the ball way too
Jacob Litton:right?
Jason Harwood:his body. So, I mean, that's not good, but he did have the nice return to make up for that at the end. Of all the wide receivers, yes, he's like, good. The problem is that he is not what they're looking for in that X position and what he can do. and Amun Ra can already do better. So
Jacob Litton:Exactly
Jason Harwood:injury, but he get an injury to one of those two guys. You got someone that maybe you could bring up from a practice squad position if that's where he goes, but,
Jacob Litton:I do think what we've seen from him so far if he if it's not enough for him to make the team I think he's probably shown enough where he's gonna get a chance elsewhere
Jason Harwood:yeah, I agree. He might get a shot at another team, but he definitely got, gets a shot at the practice squad. You know, there's not many players that get picked up. And especially an undrafted rookie, I don't know if they're gonna, you know, how much he's on other teams radar, uh, he doesn't have any touchdowns, he did drop one last game too. I wouldn't even see him being picked up by any other team, to be honest with you. Um, just with other people that are going to be cut, there, you know, there's going to be probably some bigger names. So, I think he could probably score. Slide through the practice squad, I'm going to talk about my next general category is just the offensive line reserves in general, a couple of players I'll shout out, but I, I, offensive line in the last game played the reserves played much better than the first game. Um, and especially in the first couple of series, they're playing top. Kansas city defenders. they held them in check, did not allow a lot of pressure. They had the only time that they've, you know, they were getting pressures when basically set fell was holding the ball too long, essentially not getting rid of the ball quick enough. So, you know, I'm, I'm pretty encouraged by that, uh, players. I will, uh, mention is Kingsley Iguaquan. He is a center. We already have Frank, right? But, you know, he's a, they're trying him out. They started trying him out this week at Guard, just to like, see if he has that, if he can handle that. And if he can open up, All three inside positions on the offensive line. That's going to give him a better shot at making the roster, you know, whether he makes it right out the gate or goes on a practice squad, I'm not sure. Um, but he's been, Michael Niece's, uh, was playing more guard, but he, Michael Neese started the center today and then they moved Kingsley to the guard. They kind of flip flop positions mostly just to see what versatility they have between these two guys because those are two guys that might be fighting for one roster spot. So they're probably trying to see who who can, you know, play all three inside positions. So, and the other guy I'll mention is, um, you know, our fourth round draft pick Manu. there was a awesome video put out by Nick Baumgartner today. I, I didn't have a chance it to you earlier, Jacob, but there was, it's like a 20 minute, like just break down on, uh, Giovanni Manu's, um, preseason game. Nick Baumgartner works for the athletic and it was, it, it was really went into a lot of detail, he's actually ahead of where you thought he would be at this point, but there's a lot of times where he's standing too tall and his hand placement is kind of all over the place, but he's able to get into position, especially in pass blocking. He has, uh, Nick was impressed with that ability. Um, it's just that fact that he didn't get low enough and people are able to get a little bit. More leverage on him because he's not getting low enough. Um, but his extreme length helps him overcome some of his technique shortcomings right now, which, know, you're hoping a year or two and Frank Fraley is going to get the technique down and then you got this awesome frame good technique and what kind of, you know, offensive lineman he can turn into.
Jacob Litton:Exactly, like the uh physical traits are there. There's not a doubt about that It's just fine tuning, you know the actual technique which was always the plan really right? I mean we knew what it was when we drafted him
Jason Harwood:Yeah. That's no surprise. You're basically. Have a Broderick Martin, you know, player type player just going to be on active on your team all year, but he probably will not be active on game day. So it'll probably be, you know, a healthy scratch, but you know, you're hoping in two or three years, you've got, you know, a Dan skipper replacement where he's your tackle, he's your number one tackle off the bench.
Jacob Litton:I agree 100 percent about the offensive line, uh, you know, especially you've got some of these guys who are trying to move around, see if they can play multiple positions and, you know, whoever proves that they know the positions the best and has the best, I mean, really the best impact, the practices are over, right? So they've got the preseason game to show out and that's it. Realistically, that's it. They're fighting for offensive line spots You probably are gonna be put on the practice squad for the people that don't make the roster So, you know, it's not like the chance is gone But I do I think it's encouraging what we've seen on the offensive line.
Jason Harwood:I agree. Yep. I mean, yeah. don't want any of our servers being hurt, but that seems to happen every year. Um, and you gotta have people ready to play behind them. So we'll, we'll see. Any other players on your stock up list that you wanted to talk about?
Jacob Litton:So the last person I have on my list is, uh, kind of, I guess, just an honorable mention just because I already had, I already thought pretty highly of him before, but that's a meek Robertson. Um, we knew what type of player that he was coming in. Uh, we knew that he was definitely, wasn't going to go down quietly. He was going to be fighting for a position and. He's definitely done that in practice and in the games. I mean, he's definitely bringing the intensity. I really like what I see out of Amik and I definitely like the idea of him being our starting nickel corner.
Jason Harwood:Awesome player. I love his attitude. He's going to fit in so well with the Lions. So
Jacob Litton:Yeah,
Jason Harwood:season starts, it's going to be exciting.
Jacob Litton:he's had a couple hiccups. I know he gave up a touchdown and everything, but that's also who knows if that's him learning the nickel spot or if there was some sort of blown coverage or, you know, some miscommunication there because obviously he's out there with some of the second and third team guys. So I'm not worried about that.
Jason Harwood:I'm not worried about that either. Um, you know, in practice today, it sounds like the defense outshined the, uh, the offense, um, in the scrimmage and. I have no worries about our offense at all performing at a high level this year. You know, will they have troubles here and there? Yeah, all offenses do. But, um, if our defense is able to have, get consistent pressure like they were getting today, that speaks very well for our defense. A couple more players. I'll answer just like honorable mention of players, Hennon hooker. He looked significantly better in the second game than he did in the first game. He seemed like he was doing his reads more. Maybe it seemed like he had more time in the second game. I was relieved that he wasn't like looking at his primary read and then just taking off. It seemed like he really wanted to pass the ball. He And running was like the last ditch option. And even on his touchdown run, he, that was like, he went through all his reads and then just, then he took off and scored. So I love that he has that ability. I'm not saying we replaced Jarrett Goff, but it is nice to have a backup with that ability. If things break down, he can use that.
Jacob Litton:Obviously this is the first time we're actually getting to see him. I feel the same way. I'm encouraged by the fact that he's not just tucking and running. He is going through his reads. He's, you know, pass first. And I think that's the problem is that there's so many fans that want that running mobile quarterback. We want to try to get the ball to our receivers down the field. We don't want you to drop back and then run and gain four or five yards, whatever it may be. That's not what we're wanting. That's, that's not the way the offense runs. Um, So yeah, Hendon has played very well. Definitely think the stock's up for him, too.
Jason Harwood:Yeah. Well, I mean talk about, you know, running, whatever, you mean he ran a lot in the first game and then he gets out with a concussion. So that's your risk, right? I'm not saying he's going to get a concussion every time he runs, but that's your risk. The more you run, the more contact you take, the higher risk that you're not going to be playing there. And if he's going to be a backup quarterback, can't, you know, he's got to be really be careful he's got to be able to use his legs just sparingly and when absolutely needed and then slide, slide,
Jacob Litton:Yeah, get down.
Jason Harwood:you know, listen to your mom and then slide. Uh, all right. we can get to like kind of the depressing part of it, the stock down. So Jacob and I have again, picked some players that we want to talk about. I'm going to throw it to you first, Jacob, who is first on your stock down list?
Jacob Litton:Um, well, you know, we're gonna kind of swing around from the Hendon Hooker thing, and the stock down I have is on Nate Sudfeld. Basically he just hasn't looked good in any of his opportunities in the preseason games. I know in the practices he has shown, you know, some flashes. I would say overall we've seen more bad than good. And especially, you know, the first game, he's not moving the ball, he makes that really bad interception. And then Hennon Hooker comes in and the offense starts moving down the field. That may just be because Hennon obviously is more mobile and can run, but I just don't think that Nate, Nate didn't do himself any favors in the preseason. Obviously, we would have hoped that he has showed a little bit more and had an actual legitimate battle for the backup spot. And right now, I just don't think I don't think that he's done that. Based on practice, I think that he still is going to make the team. Um, I just, if he does start the season as the quarterback too, I don't think he's got a very good hold on it.
Jason Harwood:Yeah, he's not going to be long for that position. It's basically holding it until, uh, until Hinton, they feel that Hinton can run the offense. That's where I'm at with Nate. He did play better in the second game. I mean, he had 196 yards in the first half, but when he misses a receiver, he misses. Bad. And then he's also holding the ball too long.
Jacob Litton:Yeah, consistently holding it too long.
Jason Harwood:Just make your read and get it to him. Now we can always make the argument he's playing with less talent. Um, but the defense is also less talented that he's playing.
Jacob Litton:On his touchdown throw though, I mean, you know, it's a cross over the middle, a lot of that was the run after the catch. It wasn't really like it was a magnificent throw.
Jason Harwood:no, it did. I don't know what happened there. It looked like the receivers were almost crossing. So I don't know if the. They were both meant to do that, but it just kind of worked out for lines. It was almost like a pick play. And then, you know, once Kate and Davis was in the open field, you know, he's too fast, they weren't going to
Jacob Litton:Right, right.
Jason Harwood:but, uh, yeah, you're right. Good, good call on that. Um, player that I'm going to talk about is a player that, you know, talked about a lot on this podcast and a lot of people are talking about him as James Houston and it was injured last week. Didn't play, you know, trying to get him in the Sam role. They've reduced his role recently, which. Might just limit his reps or how many snaps he would get in a game. If they can't trust him, you know, on a run play, if they can't trust him to back up into coverage, you know, he's only going to be on third and long or a second and very long, you know, there that's, his size isn't enough to, to handle the run, to set an edge properly. You go back to two years ago and, you know, taking the league by storm, getting eight sacks and essentially half a season, seems like there's plenty to work with there, but he just really hasn't shown it. And unfortunately we didn't get to see him at all. was hoping we would see him on Saturday they were going to move him to just defensive end. So maybe we were to just saw him in some pressure situations, but we, we haven't got to see that. So, Um, you know, it just, I feel bad because I, he's so promising and, and maybe the expectations are just too high for him. Just because he, came out of the gate and then, we kind of basically lost all of last year. What's your thoughts on James Houston at this point.
Jacob Litton:Yeah, I have him trending down as well. Um, You know at the beginning of the preseason I really thought that he was going to make the team and now You know because of the injuries because of the limited practice time and everything You know, it's a really it's a 50 50 toss up for me about whether he makes it or not It doesn't help that You know They did try having him learn that Sam position and they really kind of just had to abandon it just because it just wasn't working He wasn't able to learn it and I don't know if that's just like, uh, you know, mentally, he's just not able to get down where he's supposed to be and be reliable. Or if it's a physical thing, he's just not big enough to do everything that he has to do outside of rushing the quarterback. We know he can rush the quarterback, but, you know, is he going to do that consistently enough that it's going to warrant him having that roster spot? I really don't know. I feel like it's trending the wrong way for him right now. And him being hurt is not helping because, you know, he's missing those chances to prove himself.
Jason Harwood:You know, one thing that may, you know, end up being in Houston's favor as far as making the roster is he's not going to be someone that you're going to be able to stash on the practice squad. There's going to be another team that will take a chance on him if he gets, if he were to get cut. But I could make him a trade candidate, like a low level trade candidate, where we swap them for another player or a late, you know, I'm thinking six or seventh round pick at best. Um, you know, it's as opposed to just cutting him another team, you know, especially if they're lower on the waiver wire, they might not be able to. Get a shot at James Houston. They might be able to, you know, give him a draft pick so that, you know, they don't have to worry about the waiver wire process and then it gives Brad Holmes, um, you know, another draft pick, uh, to see if he can do work as magic on.
Jacob Litton:Right? That's a possibility. Like you mentioned, what he put on paper with those eight sacks that one year, I mean, teams really need pass rush help. He hasn't been able to replicate that here, but that doesn't mean that somebody else isn't willing to take a chance on him that has the roster spots that can do it.
Jason Harwood:Yeah. Or the defensive scheme to allow that to happen too. Who's the next player on your stock down list, Jacob?
Jacob Litton:Uh, so, I kind of have a combination here in my stock down, and that's going to be for Dory's Fountain and Donovan Peoples Jones. Um, You know, that's just, we talked about it throughout every week. What we were hoping to see, we really wanted to see them unleashed. We wanted to see, especially Doris though, just because of how he didn't practice when they were giving him the reps with the ones he actually was catching the ball, he was making an impact. He, you know, he looked really good. He looked like he was going to slot in and do what Josh Reynolds did. And, you know, we thought we might really be onto something and then the games come and you don't really see much of anything in the game. We talked about the weather and everything for the first game, well then the drops start happening in practice. Then he's not able to really create the separation and stuff that he was doing before. And, you know, for Donovan Peoples Jones, he kind of had to take a back seat for that first couple weeks. Well then DPJ kind of gets that chance to go with the ones and kind of flip flop. They're both getting shots and It's almost like Dan Campbell's just begging one of these guys show us something give us something that shows that you belong here and that you're gonna step in and be that guy and they both had those chances and They have not done anything with it. It's just been very discouraging and this really comes down to I mean It comes down to this preseason game. I feel like it's you know, they're not both gonna make the roster I feel like it's more likely that neither of them makes the roster But I think that Donovan Peoples Jones probably has the upper hand just because he's been here longer. They've got to do something in this game. This is probably the most interesting thing for me. You know, before it was just interesting because it was the thought of it. Like, oh, you know, let's see what we have. Now, I think it's the most interesting because this is literally their jobs are on the line.
Jason Harwood:Yeah, they both have been disappointing. They were actually both on my list too, Drew's found, like he said, that The drops, you know, happening and it feels like it's a pressure got ramped up and he didn't produce in the first game that he got, you know, too much pressure and as he just not showing enough in practice anymore, along with not the game, you know, not showing in the game, it's too bad because he has the ideal. Size and athletic ability that you want in that position can go up for, can high point a ball, is big and strong and can, you know, fight through a jam or whatever, but it hasn't shown in, in the game so far, you know, he's cut passes for 15 yards and six targets. And, you know, that's. For both preseason games. So it's, it's not good. DPJ, same thing. He's not getting the separation that he needs. He is a big body. The thing that he has that Darius found is that DPJ has done it in this league before. So I think he's got more of a history. So I think if you had to choose out of the two, DPJ just because they're They got more of a track record with him. Um, one thing I did not like though, and one of Vaki's runs, DPJ did not block all. And I think the lines, you know, if you know lines at all, they expect their wide receivers to block all the way down the field. So. Whether DBJ gave up or, it's not a good look for him. That'll get you in the doghouse really fast I think, uh, Jamison said that no block, no rock is what, uh, Ben
Jacob Litton:Yeah, right, right. J
Jason Harwood:you know,
Jacob Litton:Mo's blocking downfield.
Jason Harwood:Have one more player on my list because We kind of just hit on, you know, Duries Fountain and DPJ were on my list. Mine is, uh, Stephen Gilmore. You know, we kept him on the roster all of last year. Same thing like, uh, Broderick Martin, where we were afraid we were going to lose him to try to end the practice squad. So we kept him on the roster. He didn't get very much playing time, but he hasn't really shown too much. And our quarterback depth is much deeper than it was last year. So he, I don't know. I don't, he made what he'd be able to get on the practice squad. I'm not sure, but cause he hasn't really shown that much in the games team to really want to latch onto him. So I don't know. I'm kind of disappointed with Steven Gilmore and I was hoping to step forward, but what happened? Um, But it just hasn't shown in games, so
Jacob Litton:yeah, we, I agree. We have a really crowded cornerback room now. Um, obviously, but the opportunities that has been given, he gave up a really bad touchdown. I haven't really heard too much about practice, uh, you know, positive or negative towards him, which, you know, in this, no news is not good news. You want to stand out and, you know, you can't just be complacent, I guess. You know, he was here last year. You would hope that he's taking a step up especially now that we've got the young coroner's trying to light a fire up underneath him, too. And he really is not making much of an impact at all. And I kind of feel like this is one of the ones we're gonna cut. I do think that he probably will go someplace else.
Jason Harwood:Yeah, we'll see. I mean, it just depends on, know, what other teams view him. And maybe he wants to not even be on a practice spot and get a chance to play on another team if he views our depth as, as deep. That. Brings us to the conclusion of stock up and stock down, um, where Jacob and I prepared like three questions. Each we're going to ask about roster construction. So we're going to go back and forth on these questions and then, um, we'll see where that leads and then just so everyone knows, uh, this weekend, we're going to do a roster breakdown. We're going to have that episode released Monday morning, um, but our roster predictions, cause Tuesday, like I said, is cutoff day and then, um, After Tuesday, then Wednesday, they could start building their practice squad. So we might have a reaction to that, you know, Wednesday or Thursday next week. So expect two pods next week. And then along with, uh, the game recap on Sunday for the preseason game. So we plan on releasing that Sunday morning. Sometime it won't be as early as usual because I think, um, I don't know, Jacob and I might, might not be able to do the record till Sunday morning. So just so you know, that's coming up, but anyways, let's get to our questions here. What's your first question
Jacob Litton:okay, so it kind of leads into what we were finishing off on before about the wide receivers. Do you think that we keep five wide receivers out of the ones that we have right now? Or do you think we only keep four and then we look to sign elsewhere?
Jason Harwood:Yeah, that's, uh, that's actually, it was my second question
Jacob Litton:Okay.
Jason Harwood:wide receiver three on the roster right now. So that's good. Um, cause I figured we've kind of duplicate, but I like. Uh, I like your question. So, you're going to have Amin Ra, Khalif, and Jameson, obviously, as, as the three. I think it's going to be DPJ, uh, in there for, and then I don't know if, who else we're going to keep on there. I don't know. My feeling is that they're gonna maybe add outside the organization, you know, just to see who's cut. I don't know if we're gonna make any trades or anything like that, but it also concerns me because it takes a while for Goff to like, with a wide receiver, it seems like. So if it's someone that he's not, You know, used to then, um, you know, who knows how long is it going to take? I know Robert Woods may be out there, but Robert Woods is getting older and I'm not excited about that, um, that proposition. so I'm, what's, what's your thoughts? Where, where are you at with that?
Jacob Litton:Yeah, I go back and forth on this because I really, I feel like they are going to try to look elsewhere just because of what we've seen so far. Um, I like Isaiah Williams. It would be nice if we could find the spot for him and keep him. Yeah. I just don't know how, I guess we'll see in the preseason game. I don't see how it's going to happen. I think that most likely we'll keep four. Obviously the Amanra, Jamo, Kalief, those are all guaranteed. We'll keep one more. Most likely DPJ. Could be Isaiah. Could be Doris. I guess. We'll see. Um, but I, I think we're probably going to keep four and I think we're going to look elsewhere. If we do keep five, I think that they probably, wide receiver four and five are probably going to be known like You're, you know, you're on the line right now, like you've got to play, you've got to earn your spot every single day. Your job is not guaranteed for you.
Jason Harwood:Yeah, they'll have to continue to play. And, you know, it just depends on who gets cut out there. I mean, there's always a surprise cut here or there and with the Lions having a stronger roster as they want, they're in the position to, you Sign those experienced players that are chasing, you know, a winning organization, which it's weird to say that lions haven't been in that position, um, forever as a fan. So we're kind of in that spot where, okay, we can sign this player and they're going to take like a discounted deal because, you know, we're going to be able to get them in there, um, and, and chance to compete for playoffs and, you know, even greater. So, all right. My first question for you, Jacob, is how many QBs will be on the active roster in week one?
Jacob Litton:That's a tough question, but I, I think there's, I mean, I think there's gonna be three. I think that you have to have Sudfeld and Hooker. I don't know that either one of them is capable. I mean, I don't think they've created that separation yet. We obviously can't cut Hooker. You can't do anything with him. If you cut Sudfeld and have to put him on the practice squad and keep him as inactive, do we trust Hooker? You know, to take the reins of the offense if something happens at golf. I don't know that you do. How do you feel about that one though?
Jason Harwood:Yeah, I think you're going to start out. The question is when do they cut Sudfeld loose at? That's my question throughout the season. Cause I don't, my thinking is going to be the bi weeks week five. So at week five, I think is when you're going to kind of know what you got in hooker. And then from that point on. Point forward, they might cut Sudfeld. Some of our listeners might say, what? You can have a third quarterback on the roster that you elevate. So let's do that with Nate Sudfeld. Let's elevate him on game day. We'll cut him. He won't take a roster spot. He can go on the practice squad because no one else is going to pick them up and elevate him. And the problem with that is that. Um, right now, if you don't trust Hendon as your number two and you want Setfeld to come in, can't come in as the emergency, your emergency person that you brought up can only come in if your first two player, your first two quarterbacks get hurt. And let's say that, golf's out, Hendon gets hurt. You can bring Setfeld in at that point, but if Hendon Um, is able to come back in the game, then you have to take immediately take Sudfeld out and then put hooker back in. So if you don't trust right now, if you don't trust 10 and to be the number two, then you can't use, can't use Sudfeld as always on the practice squad. So we can just put him in the game. Can't do that. And like you said, Jacob, you can't cut Hendon because he's never going to make through the waiver. Someone else is going to sign him. So you have to keep Hendon on your roster and you're probably going to have to keep Nate. If you don't trust Hendon at this point at number two,
Jacob Litton:ideally, Hennon would be ready right now, and you could stash subsault on the practice squad, and then you can use that roster spot for a different position. I just don't think that we're there yet. Good point about the emergency quarterback thing though. Okay, next one as it stands right now Do you think Bates is the kicker or do you think we still look to try to sign a different kicker after cuts? Can
Jason Harwood:where you're looking at my Google notes, because that is actually one of my questions. My feeling is that especially after the last preseason game. Bates is going to be the kicker week one. However, I feel the Lions will have a quick trigger if, you know, he's not being consistent and you know, I don't think they're going to just ride throughout the season with him. if he's not able to show it during the game, ironically, he's hitting the longer kicks, but he missed another extra point in practice today. So I don't know. Maybe we may need to move the extra point back. You know, I don't know. I don't know what's, what's going on.
Jacob Litton:Snap the ball further back?
Jason Harwood:Yeah, just keep, uh, doing false start penalties
Jacob Litton:Yeah.
Jason Harwood:back
Jacob Litton:Delay of game.
Jason Harwood:Yeah,
Jacob Litton:Till it's a 60 yarder.
Jason Harwood:You know, and the other team will keep declining it, you know, but I, it's just, it's one of those things that I don't know if his focus is off or what,
Jacob Litton:yeah, I feel the same way. I think that, you know, they probably have kind of a shorter leash with him, but We haven't brought anybody else in here to compete, just, even if like Riley Patterson gets cut or we have somebody, you know, that we know that's available, I still think that they keep Bates and let Bates be the guy, and you know, for what it's worth, you know, these field goals that he's kicking right now are all outdoors, and we only have to play outdoors three times, I know the weather hasn't been much of a factor, but I know it was kind of windy out today when he missed the extra point. You know, he's been clutch inside forward field for the Michigan Panthers. So I mean, hopefully that translates to the regular season for us. I do think if he has one of those games where he misses two extra points and a field goal, he might be cut loose right away. I don't know. I don't know how, you know, we have too good of a team to lose in that way.
Jason Harwood:I agree. And so, you know, it'd be a shame for Brad Holmes to like have so much momentum with his drafts and, you know, the trades that he's had this year and then, you know, free agencies picked up and then derailed by, you know, this kicker situation. That
Jacob Litton:Yeah,
Jason Harwood:would be a shame.
Jacob Litton:right.
Jason Harwood:But, but, you know, he's going to be on the hot seat cause he'll have to answer for that. If Bates isn't the answer, you know, why did they do this? It might be offset by Dan Campbell going for it more on fourth down, but you don't want to be in a situation where you don't trust the kicker, right? You're going for it solely on that. I want to go for it on fourth down, if that's the best decision. For the team to, you know, put them in a position to win. I don't want it to be like, I know it's, you know, it's kicker 50, 50. I don't, you know, we better go for it. And then you're stuck in that. Um, cause teams will play, you know, then they will guard you different on third down, if they know you're going to go for it on fourth down and you don't get, you know, you don't get those surprise runs and pick up three or four yards. And then all of a sudden it's fourth and three instead of, you know, fourth and seven, which is, you know, a lot tougher to get.
Jacob Litton:I think teams know now, like anytime we're past the 50, we're at risk to go for it on fourth down.
Jason Harwood:And I like putting pressure on teams. Make them have the tough decisions and let them make a mistake. And cause Dan knows what he's going to do. It's very apparent that, you know, he's not, um, you know, he's even when like you say, he's doing it with emotion, like maybe in the Dallas game where they went forward on two, but he knew they were going for two the whole time when they went down there, he told Jared Goff at the start of the thing. It's like, we're going to go down and score a touchdown and we're going to get the two point conversion. He knows in his head, he's got a good plan. just depends on distant situations and all that plays into it. But Dan has a pretty good idea and pretty good feel for his team. And, you know, sounds like he has a consistent message. My next question is, will Parker Hesse make the team as a backup tight end and possibly fullback,
Jacob Litton:As of right now, I'm going to say no. That's a very interesting, uh, prospect and I guess that kind of, you know, goes with the quarterback and some of the other positions about, you know, how many guys are we keeping here or there? Do we have room for somebody like that? Because, you know, we have utilized other people at fullback before. I know Aleem was trying out at fullback, Rodrigo. We've had other people trying that position out. I don't think that he makes enough of an impact right now to warrant a roster spot. Do you feel like he does?
Jason Harwood:um,
Jacob Litton:you leaning?
Jason Harwood:I'm leaning towards maybe no, I,
Jacob Litton:That's not
Jason Harwood:wishy washy. No, I, I think that he might make it just the way I've seen him line up in practice. He's been on the fullback as first and second team. Now complicated. You mentioned Malcolm Rodriguez, he's been out with an injury. So. You know, maybe he's maybe Malcolm's doing that in practice instead of Parker and Malcolm's just not available. So I don't know, but the fact that Parker can do it is encouraging, especially when we get those jumbo goal line sets. He's a big body tight end. And, you know, also the kickoff rule has changed, so he might be out there on kickoff, so I could see a path to his, to a roster spot. just, when I, you know, when I finally get down and break down each roster spot, then I'll know. But that's, you know, to hold a third or fourth tight end,
Jacob Litton:Right, right.
Jason Harwood:Zylstra, or Mitchell? That's tough. I mean, probably going to be at the expense of one or two or both of those guys, if they hold, if they keep Parker. So it's going to be a, it's a good question. I I'm leaning probably to no, it's possible. It depends on
Jacob Litton:It is possible. Right, right. That's the thing, you'd have to count on keeping four tight ends. Because you already know about Laporta and Brockwright. And then, you know, it's really Zylster or Mitchell. Are they going to be the third? Or do they keep four and keep both of them? I don't think that they do, but I mean, so if you're gonna try to make room for Hesse, then one of them's gotta go.
Jason Harwood:So, all right, let's get ready for the Honolulu Blitz. Jacob, who leads the Lions in rushing in this preseason?
Jacob Litton:In this preseason?
Jason Harwood:Yeah, the two games so far.
Jacob Litton:Zonovan Knight?
Jason Harwood:Ooh, that's close. He's second. He's got 48 yards. Vaki is first with 51 yards. So
Jacob Litton:So I was close, right. I knew Vahki made more of an impact in the passing game, but
Jason Harwood:But he had 29 yards in the first game. He only had 22 in the second. But,
Jacob Litton:yeah,
Jason Harwood:you know, Knight didn't do very well in the first game.
Jacob Litton:no.
Jason Harwood:he had a better second game, you know, rushing wise. Uh, all right, so we talked, you know, in our way back in our first episode, Joey Harrington was your quarterback for the Lions when he first started. So how many career touchdowns did Joey Har Harrington have, you know, not just with the Lions, but his full career, his six year career?
Jacob Litton:I'm gonna say 28.
Jason Harwood:28, you're way low. He had 79 touchdowns,
Jacob Litton:79 touchdowns over six years. Didn't feel like it. How many of those were at the Lion? Do you have the breakdown?
Jason Harwood:I do. I wrote down 60 with the Lions. Uh, any, just as a bonus question, how many interceptions do you think he threw in his career?
Jacob Litton:So you threw 70 touchdowns? Is that what he said?
Jason Harwood:touchdowns,
Jacob Litton:Seven, nine touchdowns. I'll say 90 interceptions.
Jason Harwood:a little high, but 85. Yeah.
Jacob Litton:Yeah, I was close. Right.
Jason Harwood:you were right on there,
Jacob Litton:You know, when you're 10 years old watching your quarterback suck, it didn't feel like he was, uh, you know, scoring many touchdowns.
Jason Harwood:you weren't getting married my touchdowns.
Jacob Litton:Yeah.
Jason Harwood:the funny thing about that is like, uh, like 70 of those career touchdowns were in that Thanksgiving day game against Alliance
Jacob Litton:Yeah.
Jason Harwood:with Miami, that's what it felt
Jacob Litton:right?
Jason Harwood:Uh,
Jacob Litton:Is this real life? How is he doing it? Yeah,
Jason Harwood:exactly. All right. My third and final question is, this, on this Saturday, when Lions play, um, the Seahawks in the preseason game, how long, say, Hendon Hooker starts, how long do you think they're going to leave him to play?
Jacob Litton:I hope he plays the entire first half. I think he should play the entire first half and then, you know, you give it over to sut.
Jason Harwood:Yeah, I, I'm hoping that they give him a little bit longer. I'm hoping that, you know, That they give him, know, even into the third quarter or whatever,
Jacob Litton:Yeah.
Jason Harwood:you know, at this point you're trying to see if Hooker can, the offense, right? And see if he can be your backup. Because if he can prove, like, that he's good enough, And I don't know if he can do that in a preseason game. I don't know if they'll use that as, you know, the end all be all. But say he has a really good grasp of the offense. He looks good. You know, there's, that's a roster spot that you can gain, right? If you, if you feel that. So I, I'm hoping that he gets, um, into the third quarter
Jacob Litton:I wouldn't be opposed, honestly, to having him play the whole game. Like, uh, we don't need to see any more out of Sudfeld. Really, I mean, that's not the question mark that we have.
Jason Harwood:yeah. I mean, unless you're Lions and you want to get, you know, Seinfeld a little more extra snaps. If you think he's going to be number two, you want to get him some snaps just so that if, you know, he has to come in, but I, I'm hoping that he, yeah, goes,
Jacob Litton:Minimum should be the whole first half. This one's kind of a true or false. Did Dan Campbell ever win a Super Bowl as a player?
Jason Harwood:He did, I, yes, he did, um, was it the Giants, right? He won with the Giants. Was he, yeah, Um, the team that beat Brady, I don't know,
Jacob Litton:This is perfect because it's a trick question. So you can be right either way, but you're also kind of wrong either way. So, uh, but you're really wrong now. So, it was with the Saints.
Jason Harwood:Oh,
Jacob Litton:last season with the Saints, uh, he was on injured reserve. So he technically is credited with, you know, the Super Bowl win because he was on that team, but he was on injured reserve when they won and he did not receive a ring.
Jason Harwood:Uh,
Jacob Litton:But no, he didn't win any of those years with the Giants.
Jason Harwood:oh man. I know that, well, I think in that one press conference, he said they had a really good team and then they were kind of complacent and then, you know, they didn't play very well the following year. So yeah, that,
Jacob Litton:Right.
Jason Harwood:rings, that rings true. All right. You got me in your trick questions.
Jacob Litton:I know. Hey, I said either way, you could have been right either way and wrong either way. You're the one that mentioned the Giants and made yourself really wrong, so.
Jason Harwood:I
Jacob Litton:No, that was a great, that was a great guess. Yeah, right.
Jason Harwood:Yeah. I
Jacob Litton:Who was the only player last year besides Jared Goff to attempt a pass for us?
Jason Harwood:feel like it was HeaderSeaver. Who would it have
Jacob Litton:It was towards the end of the year.
Jason Harwood:Yeah. I feel like Amun Ra, but I'm wrong. So,
Jacob Litton:It was on a fake punt.
Jason Harwood:Oh. Who was that? I don't know. Who was it?
Jacob Litton:It was Jalen Reeves Maben.
Jason Harwood:Ah.
Jacob Litton:the fake punt against the Cowboys, he had a 31 yard pass to Dorsey. And that actually was the only, the only pass attempt by somebody other than Goff last year.
Jason Harwood:Wow. Alright.
Jacob Litton:that was cool, right?
Jason Harwood:yeah. That's awesome. Well, good for J. R. M., man. That's awesome.
Jacob Litton:All right, last one is an opinion question. What are your top three favorite sitcoms?
Jason Harwood:Of all time?
Jacob Litton:Yeah, we'll go all time. So you can see how old you are.
Jason Harwood:Yeah, I know. Well, Seinfeld's number one. Whew, man. On the spot, oh man. Uh, Parks and Rec and probably The Office, I would say. Those are the three, I
Jacob Litton:Okay,
Jason Harwood:Yeah,
Jacob Litton:seen The Office.
Jason Harwood:yeah. Yeah, Parks and Rec is awesome. If you like The Office, you'd like Parks and Rec. Um, and then, yeah, Seinfeld is, you know. older than you, and probably you won't get some of the references, but yeah, that was a good show.
Jacob Litton:Yeah, that's good though. Good answers.
Jason Harwood:yeah, so, you know,
Jacob Litton:No black and white shows.
Jason Harwood:no, no, the monsters, man, I was about to say the monsters, but then I thought, you know, you won't say that and then you'll be like, well, what about the Adams family? And then that and you know, there's Cheers and all these old shows in the 80s. You wouldn't have got those references either.
Jacob Litton:What's Cheers?
Jason Harwood:You don't know what Cheers is?
Jacob Litton:I'm just kidding with you.
Jason Harwood:No, it's good. It's
Jacob Litton:I like to make you feel older than you are, so.
Jason Harwood:I know. I just feel sorry for you if you didn't know that about cheers. Cause that was a great
Jacob Litton:I've never watched it, but I know what it is. Bust
Jason Harwood:it's it actually is still pretty funny. I've I've rewatched it recently and yeah, it's still pretty
Jacob Litton:out your VHS tapes.
Jason Harwood:I did. I got them all. So I got all dust. the dust off the VCR, you know, my, all these TVs don't have coaxial cables anymore. So I don't know, I didn't even know
Jacob Litton:Yeah.
Jason Harwood:hook it up, you know? And then,
Jacob Litton:And turn it to channel You gotta dial to channel 3.
Jason Harwood:yeah, I did, you know, UHF or VHF. And then, and then my son's like, you know, it's on Peacock, right?
Jacob Litton:Yeah.
Jason Harwood:Peacock? I don't understand. Do we have that channel? He's like, well, you have it for football. And I said, oh yes, that's correct. Um, I'm fine. You're sunny. Where's the remote? Can you hit the button, please? No. All right. Yep. There you're back. You're back. You're back into making fun of me. Then I'm old. So
Jacob Litton:Gotta dig a little bit.
Jason Harwood:Yep. All right, man. Well, this is fun. It's going to lead us into a good preseason game. Uh, looking forward to it. Anything, anything you're specifically looking for on Saturday?
Jacob Litton:No, honestly just Hen and Hooker trying to see these receivers try to see what we got, you know It's the last chance for a lot of these guys. So I mean looking in depth. It should be a good game
Jason Harwood:Yeah. Let's hope we don't, we don't lose anybody to injury. Um, and then. You know, yeah, I want to see Hendon play and I'm hoping he plays pretty well. And maybe one of these receivers shows out. We'll see, but you know, then, then Tuesday is a dreaded day where countdown happens and then, you know, we get, we get our roster and get to look forward to the Rams and the season. So looking forward to all that. So, all right. For Jacob, I'm Jason. Go lions.
