E30: "Biting Re-Caps" - Hutch Injury, Montgomery Extension Week 6: Lions at Cowboys

Talking Grit hosts, Jason Harwood and Jacob Litton provide an in-depth analysis of the Detroit Lions' impressive 47-9 victory over the Cowboys, focusing on standout plays and player performances. Key highlights include JMO's 37-yard touchdown, Brian Branch's game-changing interceptions, and the overall strategic excellence of the Lions' defense and offense. The script addresses the critical leg injury of Aidan Hutchinson, examining its potential impact on the team's defensive strategy and the options for compensating his absence. The extension of David Montgomery’s contract and its beneficial effects on the team dynamics are celebrated. The narrative also reflects on various game strategies, significant moments, and player contributions that led to the Lions' dominant performance and previews their upcoming critical match against the Vikings.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Intro
• 1:27 Hutch Injury
• 4:39 How to Replace Hutch
• 12:48 David Montgomery's Extension
• 18:40 Game Analysis and Key Moments
• 30:10 Jake Bates' Perfect Game
• 31:13 Defensive Dominance: Brian Branch's Impact
• 36:59 Offensive Highlights: Goff and the Lions' Attack
• 41:15 Running Game Excellence: Montgomery and Gibbs
• 50:53 Looking Ahead: Vikings Showdown

Transcript

Jason Harwood: 0:53

Check out our YouTube channel. We've been uploading more videos. I think tomorrow I'm going to try to upload a video on the JMO 37 yard touchdown catch and also the Brian Branch interception, I think are the two plays that I want to focus on. So you can go check that out. What an eventful game. Let's just put it that way, Jacob, an eventful game, totally exhilarating and then totally deflating same time. So we're going to get into talking about this 47 to 9 victory for the Lions. Still to say that 47 to 9 Detroit Lions victory over the Cowboys. But before we get into the game, let's talk about two major stories that's going on with Lions first. The Hutch Injury and the Montgomery Extension. Jacob, why don't you tell us about that Hutch Injury and, how your feelings are on that?

Jacob: 1:43

obviously I know that you were at work, so you didn't have the same kind of timeline everything I did, but when it happened live at first, I could tell when he took his gloves off, like, this is bad. He thinks it's bad and it cut to commercial. I thought it was probably a knee injury. And then when they came back from break, they didn't even want to show the replay. So then I knew it had to be much worse. They got the cart and the air cast and that's just. Absolutely deflating on a day where pretty much everything else was going our way. I mean, top to bottom, look at every aspect of the game. We just were killing it. Played awesome. It's not very often you can win 47 and nine and still have a pit in your stomach when the game is over.

Jason Harwood: 2:25

Yeah, I, The thing is when they flashed back in the, the first commercial break, cause it was such, the, the timeout was so long that they had like two commercial breaks for the injury. But when you see the card out there, you're just like, man, and it didn't look good. And then when they announced, they wouldn't even show the replay or like, Oh God, my only thing was, I'm hoping that is just, I say just, but I was hoping it was just a broken bone and nothing involving the knee because I figured the knee that would just compound things even longer. It could be a longer lasting injury. So as it stands right now, he broke his tibia and his fibula. a full recovery. At least that was a press release from the Alliance today. So that was good news. Campbell's press conference said, he just mentioned the timeline of four to six months. That's a general timeline for this injury. So, I mean, I don't think it's anything the doctor said or anything like that. It's, it's all an estimation right now. So four months, that puts them right back at the Superbowl. So when we make the Superbowl, he can come back for that game. And what a story that would be. Right.

Jacob: 3:29

That would be insane. I mean, that's obviously I'm the speedier side of things, but, there were no complications during the surgery from what we've heard, everything really went well, it's just about healing and recovery and, I know Campbell said if anybody was going to be able to do that and come back, he's not counting Hutch out, it would be him.

Jason Harwood: 3:47

Yep.

Jacob: 3:48

obviously there's a certain aspect of that, the healing, it's not really up to Hutch, it's not, anything that he can do, but I, the type of player that he is, he wants to come back full strength as soon as possible. Whether that's in the cards to be this year, it may not be, but you're right, what a great storyline that would be.

Jason Harwood: 4:05

yeah, well, I mean, Hutch is going to put in the work, whatever he has to do to get on the field, he's going to do, whether it be this season or next season, he's going to, he's going to work harder than anybody else to get back from an injury. So I have no doubt that he's going to be able to do that, but might be out of his power, but you know what he should do? You should talk to Aaron Rodgers, doctor. Because, he was

Jacob: 4:29

Yeah,

Jason Harwood: 4:30

back from that Achilles injury in like a week,

Jacob: 4:33

don't do that.

Jason Harwood: 4:36

Go on the dark retreat, man. You'll, you'll make it back. No, as far as replacing Hutch, It's not going to

Jacob: 4:44

I know we have differing opinions about this.

Jason Harwood: 4:47

Yeah, no, that's fine. We'll talk about it, but it's not going to be one player, right? It's just not going to be player. It's going to be a combination of players. It's going to probably be some changes in some scheme to facilitate a change in player. Cause I mean, Hutch had 90 percent of snaps. High level performance. You're not going to just, find a guy off the street and just to replace that or find a guy in the practice squad to replace that. You're not going to be able to do that. So they're going to have to do some stuff to change it up. What are your thoughts on that?

Jacob: 5:17

Oh, I mean, obviously it's devastating for the team. It's devastating for Hutchinson as a player because he was playing all pro level. He was playing defensive player of the year level. Like those were his aspirations and he was, maintaining that pace. That's what he was doing. That's what we have to replace. We've already lost Davenport. We've lost Derek Barnes. Now we've lost Hutchinson. we're completely decimated on the defensive line as far as the edge goes. Levi does what he can out there, as does Josh Pascal. They're both kind of power rushers, where Hutchinson was much faster getting in there. I think that we have to explore a trade. We have to see what's out there. We've got to get somebody else in the building. I don't think that we can have an effective pass rush with the players that we have right now.

Jason Harwood: 6:09

Yeah, I'm not so sure about that. Our Levi has been pretty good. I mean, we'll have to see how this plays out. I mean, I'm not saying we're going to play at the same level that we're playing.

Jacob: 6:19

It's impossible to play the same level that we're playing.

Jason Harwood: 6:21

I, it is. And no, no doubt about that, but you could change scheme. You could change things up. Brian branch is a very versatile player. We could end up sending him on more blitzes, disguising coverages a little bit differently. There's a lot of things that can be done. I'm not saying that, that it's going to be easy or, it's just a really, it's going to be next week. They're going to have this fixed or figured out. That's not going to happen. I, I don't have any, ideas that that's going to happen, but I will say from last year. That our coverage is better than last year. I would say that this defense, even without Hutch, maybe just as good as last year that we've added Levi, who is playing really, really well, Aleem had an amazing game yesterday.

Jacob: 7:08

Yes.

Jason Harwood: 7:09

Zach Martin. That wasn't against some scrub offensive lineman. That was Zach Martin. I know he's a little banged up, but. Liam was playing against, know, a top, a top offensive guard in this league. Now you've added DJ reader, which is different than last year. He's going to take those double teams, which. it may free up an edge, is this where we figured out how to use James Houston, where if we just need a pass rush and James Houston can relax, you're shaking your head. So obviously you don't agree with that

Jacob: 7:43

I think the James Houston experiment is just about over, man. I don't, he's had his chances. Do you really trust James Houston to go out there and, I mean, we've talked about this several times. That's all he can do is pass, pass Rush, and he wasn't doing it at a very effective level.

Jason Harwood: 8:00

I'm always going to look at the positive end of this and what could possibly happen. He was. He was looking at his opportunity two weeks ago when he got on the active roster. he had those offsides, it was huge. I think he had two penalties in that game. He, he was pushing and he was trying to make, trying to make a statement that he belongs on the team. let's just say that maybe some of the pressure's off because they're, that they're going to have to turn to him. I'm not saying that's going to happen, but. That's in the realm of possibilities. Let's just say that that could happen. So, I mean, they have people that they could turn to. I still think, Aleem played really well. So we going to need him. I think Pascal's played really good on the opposite edge. As far as like holding an edge. Now, if you watch

Jacob: 8:46

Right.

Jason Harwood: 8:47

when he came in, he made, it was, it's hard to judge on this because it was all, you knew they were going to pass. So they're just pinning their ears back and just running. He was out of position on run. Whereas Hutch, I think that I honestly think we're going to miss Hutch in the run game stoppage too, because he just is so good at diagnosing plays and just. So athletic that he can, rush and then be ready for, for the game. For that. So I think we're going to see some, some stuff in the, in the rush game too, but do see some level for Jack Campbell's gotten better. And, I, and I put Brian branch and we're going to get to talk about him later on when we get to this defense, he's a difference maker on this defense. And you could see the one game that he's out, which was, lat Seahawks game our defense looked totally different in that game. our secondary looked different. Totally different. So, I am not a doomsday person that this, this is our super bowl shots over. I don't feel that it's going to certainly be a harder road, but. Our offense is unreal and if he can play anywhere to this level that it just played the last two weeks, we can outscore people, and just, it's going to take us a couple of stops because most teams are not going to be able to stop this, stop this offense playing at a high level that they're playing right now.

Jacob: 10:06

Absolutely. I'm not, the season's over because of Hutch. I'm not thinking that at all. I just think that. the window is open right now, especially because of how well the offense is doing and the defense is playing. Well, we have a huge test next week. We're obviously not going to if that is a move to get a different guy in here. We're not going to do it before next week or he's not going to be able to play effectively before next week. So we're going to see what the defense looks like without Hutchinson for at least this game against the Vikings, which is a pretty big test. I'm also not on board with some names floating out there, obviously, Max Crosby always comes up, Miles Garrett Trey Hendrickson, there's a bunch of names out there that are potentially available. I don't like the idea of having to trade multiple first round picks to get a guy here either. So, I am in the thought that we do need to get somebody else here. But if it's too expensive or too pricey, then we kind of have to let it roll with who we have and what we've got in that locker room, obviously the coaching staff is still confident in the guys that they have there, but we're going to see, we're going to find out,

Jason Harwood: 11:09

we will. I mean, if you're going to talk about trading, either Max Trey or Miles Garrett, I mean, Miles Garrett, the only reason they're going to do that is Brown's going to try to recoup some, they're just going to wash, just cash it all in. I don't think that he's going

Jacob: 11:23

take to Sean Watson with him.

Jason Harwood: 11:25

Yeah Max Crosby thing is the only thing that's a true one for one where you could just stick Max in there. He plays the same amount of percentage of plays as Hodge and he plays a, a similar high level as Hutch. So that'd be the only one that you would stick in there. The Raiders They're going to want at least two first round pick. And then you got to think about, okay, say we do that. Not only do we give up two first round picks, but then we're going to pay max, which is 20

Jacob: 11:51

Right.

Jason Harwood: 11:52

year. We're going to, try to, most likely we're going to try to resign Hutchinson, or extend him then are you going to pass on a Liam and Levi? Cause you're probably not going to be able to pay. everybody on that front, 20 million a year. It's just, it's probably just not possible. Unless you're going to mortgage everything in the future. So, know, then Trey Henderson wants a big contract. So you got the money thing there too. So, and I don't really think Trey's going to be available. I don't think the Bengals, I mean, the Bengals are, they're only like a half game hour game out. in their division, they're not going to watch this thing that way, unless some drastic happens in the next couple of weeks. as far as like a team injury, Joe Burrow gets hurt or something like that. So I don't know. Think the, I don't know about how realistic a trade. Now, if I find out tomorrow, Max is on a plane to Detroit. Yep. Probably buying his Jersey. I'm ready to go. So, all right. Let's move on to some little more cheerio, the David Montgomery extension just signed a two year contract extension worth 18. 25 million. It comes with 10. 5 guaranteed. What'd you think when you heard the news that he's getting that Jacob?

Jacob: 13:02

Oh, ecstatic. Right. I mean, this is a guy we love. We definitely want him to be on the team in the future. He's an important part of the dynasty that we're building. And I mean, He's just such an effective runner, the Sonic and Knuckles thing he's got going on with Gibbs. And I mean, even after he signs a contract, some of these guys, once they sign these contracts, they seem to start playing softer. They're not always playing to their full potential. He did not miss a step at all in this game. He just came out the same way, just fiery, just angry runs. Hello, everyone.

Jason Harwood: 14:02

have a team full of guys like that, or leaders that just show guys, Hey, you can't take plays off. You can't take the off season off. it's this or professional. This is how you do things. That's why the lions gave him the extension. They signed him for a really good deal. I mean, basically a steal three years, 18 million for the production that he's providing. That was an absolute steal. When you look at like, DeAndre Swift's making nine million a year or whatever he's making over in Chicago. Dan Montgomery is probably playing, Derek Henry's having an unreal year. So I'm not going to put him above that, but you can't find me too many more running backs that are playing at the level that David Montgomery is consistently playing at. And. it only helps us that we have Gibbs in there so that Dan Montgomery is not taking a ton of wear and tear because he's not afraid of contact. But he's also so elusive that he's he he'll dodge contact to or just break tackles, so, That he had a three year 18 million with 8. 75 guaranteed. So this extension is essentially doubles what he was going to be making. And it's still modest. I mean, for his last two years, it's 9 the production, it'll be 31 at the end of the deal. I think two things. Dan Montgomery is a hard worker. So like, if you have a guy that puts in the work that reduces injury risk and just prolongs their career, and you got Gibbs in there at the same time. So they're not, he's not a bell cow where he's carrying it 30 times a game. He doesn't have to carry it 30 times a game, 20 touches. And they, and he gets a proper rest and then Gibbs comes in and does his thing. It's lined up pretty well for the Lions. I'm really happy. They're able to just. Extend these guys, it was really weird to sign them like four games into the year to get this extension. It's obvious that he wants to be here. It's obvious that we want him here. I'm glad the lions were able to do it.

Jacob: 15:56

Yes, for sure. I mean, that's a great point, too, with him and Gibbs. They both are staying fresher. They're taking turns on drives. They're not so much trading out just by individual plays, too. When they're out there, they're usually out there for an extended series. Demo, he only played 21 snaps in this game, and he had a huge game, very effective game, and then he only played 21 snaps. I mean, that's how, you said before, that's how you have a longer career. you keep yourself healthy, you keep yourself effective, because you don't have to be out there. some of these running backs, when they're effective, they get out there and they're playing. 75, 80 percent of the snaps in that game, even if they're not caring at every time, if they're in past protection, your body's taking hits, you're taking where,

Jason Harwood: 16:42

Yep. No, that's a great point. Yeah. Cause even if you're like, you're out there still in pass protection, you're still, I mean, you might take a bigger hit and pass protection than you do, running out, if you run outside and run out of bounds or, or

Jacob: 16:54

right?

Jason Harwood: 16:55

it. I mean, those, those linebackers, especially if they're a free runner, they're coming full speed right into you

Jacob: 17:00

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 17:00

you gotta line up. So, I mean, those are, those are big hits too, that, don't necessarily go on the stat sheet cause they're not tackles or anything like that, but great for demo. I love it. I love that, that we've rewarded him. He deserved it. He deserved, I mean, he outplayed his contract last year. And so far this year, he's just outplayed it and lines didn't have to do this. They could have waited, and then they could have, franchised them if they really wanted to, to get them, fourth year or whatever they wanted to do. they just decided to, Do the right thing and take care of their guy and reward. And, and I think it helps other guys too. Hey, if I play well, if I do all these things, then yeah, I'm going to get paid too, and the lions are going to wait to only when it benefits the lions. I mean, I'm not saying this didn't benefit the lions, but it benefited Montgomery more than lions at this point, I think.

Jacob: 17:51

Right, and it sends a message. You're right. This is what we're about. We take care of our own. and this isn't. his performance isn't surprising to us because, we talked about this in training camp too. We actually, it's funny looking back now because we were kind of concerned about Jack Campbell and Anzalone because it was like, man, they're just, they're not able to bring him down. David Montgomery just doesn't go down, even in training camp. Training camp practice, he was like, you're not going to tackle me. I'm not going to be easy. For an open field, I'm not going down. And, he's playing that way every week.

Jason Harwood: 18:22

He just came right in and just. This season and it's different last year, he was good and he had a really good season. Thousand yard back, even sharing with Gibbs, he got a thousand yards. He's playing even better this year.

Jacob: 18:37

Yes, definitely. Getting better and better every week.

Jason Harwood: 18:40

We've already touched on the Hutch injury. That's obviously the biggest takeaway for this game. So let's move on to some other stuff. What, what were your overall thoughts in the game? anything that stuck out to you?

Jacob: 18:53

I mean, in all fairness, it wasn't the Cowboys fault about the call that happened last year. But we played like it was. We played like it was their fault. We're going to take it out on you. And, it was just right from the jump. It was just evident that we're just on another level and they really could not hang with us. Kind of did what we want at will it, like we said, top to bottom, almost a perfect game. Everything that we were wanting was going our way. we were effective. They even, Ben Johnson was opening up his bag. They're trying to get, we really wanted the offensive lineman to score, right? There were a couple of plays there. It's like, we tried to throw to Decker and they had that touchdown call back. Then he'll let Dan skipper, run a play, a wide receiver. How embarrassing is that for the Cowboys? Just, Jerry Jones actually said afterward to like I forget exactly what the quote, but it was just something along the lines of like, it's, it's so much worse when you're losing and the other teams having fun at your expense. He said the lions were having fun at our expense and that's definitely that was apparent to everybody watching that game is that we, we knew we were taking it to them. We were having fun. We were trying trick pose, doing whatever we could and it was working. It was just a dominant, dominant performance.

Jason Harwood: 20:08

My feeling isn't so much that we were picking on the Cowboys. I mean, I think we were, I think this game just going in, it's the game of the week or whatever. And I really felt. Yeah. Yeah. That they said, America's eyes are going to be on us. We're going to show them what the lions are all about. And that's why they whipped out all these trick plays. I mean, part of it is response to last year, but I don't think that's solely it. I think that they had made their mind up this week that, okay, we're America's game of the week this week, our offense is clicking last week. We, they had a great week of practice. We're just empty in the bag and just showing the America, what we're all about. And also let's. Let's say we're going to show the Vikings what we're all about. Cause we're going to face them next week. Right. Let's give them a lot more stuff to study on tape. And prepare for in this upcoming week, let's, let's let them think about toss the soul. Let's let them talk, about, whatever other trick that we're going to pull on them. That was an ulterior motive to this the, this game plan is okay. We got the Vikings coming up. They're going to have to see this too, as long as, as well as all of America.

Jacob: 21:17

Yeah, I mean, how do you prepare for that? You're looking at game film for a team. It's like, okay, well, maybe they're going to run this hook and ladder play. Maybe they're going to run reverse. Maybe they're going to pitch it back to the quarterback and they're going to go to their tight end. there's just all kinds of possibilities, all kinds of different formations we were thrown at him. You're right. I mean, they just really, really mixed it up. We threw a little bit of everything out there. I wonder if, did we show too much? Like, do we, do we still, if we're showing all of those things right now, how much more do we have hidden in the bag of tricks?

Jason Harwood: 21:46

And I think that's it, right? I mean, that just scares the heck out of you, right? If you're a defensive coordinator, if they're, we're up by four touchdowns and we're throwing to Sewell or we're throwing and, hooking ladder to Sewell, what other plays are we holding out for later on in the year? they can run that Sewell play later on. How, you're never going to prepare for that.

Jacob: 22:04

No.

Jason Harwood: 22:04

to be able to prepare for that. Those hook and ladder plays or those lateral plays. Yes, they're, high risk too, but if you practice them and you're ready for them and you get the right defense, they're really hard to guard because, you're taught as a defense, attack the ball, attack the ball. So you're running to that ball carrier. they want all 11 to go to that ball carrier. And then all of a sudden, You got, in the case of Gibbs, when they did the hook and ladder play, you got a guy that runs a four, three run in the opposite direction of you. It's, it's impossible to stop. I mean, Sewell's a different, Sewell's running at one of the quarterback cornerbacks and I'm like, oh my God, he had to be like a deer in headlights. I don't want to tackle this guy.

Jacob: 22:46

Right, and I mean, people may not notice a whole lot, but I mean, Cause Sewell obviously had to report as eligible like before that, but we do that consistently. It's not like, we report as eligible once or twice a game where people think they know something's up. We do it several times. So they don't know what's up. And that's why that play last year should have worked with Decker.

Jason Harwood: 23:10

Yeah. And it should have, and it did, just Brad Allen's a moron. So, I mean, he ruined it. It wasn't the Cowboys, but we took it out on the

Jacob: 23:18

No.

Jason Harwood: 23:18

it was

Jacob: 23:19

Right. He

Jason Harwood: 23:21

A couple of things that I'll nitpick on this game, Lions still had eight penalties for 63 yards and still, more than we want, we gave up like four first downs again on, on, on penalty. So that's something that we still need to clean up, know, Terry and Arnold certainly cleaned up his game. He had a great game, probably his best game as rookie season here. No, no DPIs, no holding. So really happy for him. He actually got that fumble recovery on,

Jacob: 23:48

had a fourth down stop too. Good coverage on a fourth down.

Jason Harwood: 23:51

that. And that was great. Questionable, whether that could have been past interference. They were certainly letting them play a lot more this

Jacob: 23:57

Right.

Jason Harwood: 23:58

Than the other, there was, we can go with that Tim Patrick play at the beginning. It was clearly past interference

Jacob: 24:05

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 24:05

And, luckily one of those, you may be that if he wouldn't have caught that, you could see a late flag coming out on that. You

Jacob: 24:12

Right.

Jason Harwood: 24:13

the ref is like, Oh, he caught it. I'm not even going to worry about it. So, the other thing that I found very curious. And I want to get your thoughts on this. it's two 40 left in the half. lions are up 20 to three. are at their own 38 and they go for it. What do you think was, what do you think was the thought process there?

Jacob: 24:37

when the Cowboys went for it,

Jason Harwood: 24:38

cows, Cowboys went for it. You

Jacob: 24:41

they knew what was about to happen. You're, you're, you're getting killed.

Jason Harwood: 24:45

20 to three at that point. I mean, that's not,

Jacob: 24:49

Maybe on the scoreboard it doesn't, but I think that if you're, if you're at the stadium or if you're, you're watching the game and you're seeing how it's going, they knew they needed something fast. Obviously, that's a pretty big dice roll there because you're just allowing us to be even closer. Inevitably going to score more points if they didn't make it there, you would have thought they had a really good play call or something they liked that they were really going to run on fourth down. And it was not a good play call either. I don't know what they were thinking, but I, I think they, Mike McCarthy was already sensing the urgency. Like we have to make something happen right now. They were just overmatched. I mean, they couldn't, their offensive line's not very good in pass protection. We know that. And we saw that for sure. They couldn't run the ball, so therefore they couldn't open up any sort of play action, any sort of, relief for Dak, so we know they're throwing it every time, and that's easy to play defense like that. They were just overmatched.

Jason Harwood: 25:42

Yeah, they were. It's just very curious to me that your basic, cause at that, the game was done at that point. Cause we score, we, they gave it up, we went and scored touchdown 27 to three at halftime.

Jacob: 25:54

And we get the ball back.

Jason Harwood: 25:55

And we got the ball back and we scored like immediately on that drive. So I, it was decision. I'm wondering what the Cowboys nation saying, I mean, they're already on Mike McCarthy, so I'm sure that, that's being talked about. But I found it. Very curious. I, I would not have been happy with Dan Campbell going for it on at that point. That's, to me, you're just giving away the game if you don't get it and they didn't get it. And especially, well, if they had any sort of running game, I could see Dan Campbell going for it on fourth and two.

Jacob: 26:28

Right,

Jason Harwood: 26:28

I mean, we could run demo with our offensive line. We could do that. They, the Cowboys knew they were going to have to pass and, they're hoping for a penalty too. I'm sure that that's why they threw it Terrians way.

Jacob: 26:39

right,

Jason Harwood: 26:40

they get a penalty on that. And they could have, cause it was, he was all over

Jacob: 26:45

right.

Jason Harwood: 26:45

And I think another game, a different set of referees, they probably do the flag there, but went the lion's way. Not going to complain about it. That's awesome. And good for good for Terry on,

Jacob: 26:58

Yeah. I mean, once again, he was playing the ball. He definitely, it was a bang bang play. You're right. I think they let them play a little more this time, but I think the Cowboys also knew. I mean, anybody looking at this game, you've seen, you saw how many players the Cowboys had out. You saw how their offensive line performed. You knew what our defensive line was capable of. Yeah. I mean, obviously I don't want to say anything before the game happens because we don't know with a hundred percent certainty, but it looks like it should have been, a decent victory for us. No one could have predicted, 47 and nine, but I, realistically just looking on paper, you would have thought possibly 10 to 14 point victory for us based on just their starters, their injuries and everything that they were dealing with, which is surprising. I didn't go trick plays or they didn't try anything too fancy. Like they really had nothing. They had nothing for us.

Jason Harwood: 27:51

They had all those injuries that was on the defensive side of the ball, which explains how we can run down the field. Their offense is fairly healthy for them, not saying it's a good offense. They have no rushing attack and their offensive line is, there's They're very young on there, as we discussed in our preview. So they have their limitations. They still have CD I'll say four to five games, the Seahawks game, the game we were missing Brian branch and Gino Smith always just seems to have our number, that I I'm very happy with our defense. Now, we're going to deal with Hutch. So that's going to change things up here. Our secondary's looking so much better than it did last year. And I guess if we're gonna take those pen, I talked about those penalties earlier. If that's a side effect for having tight coverage, I guess we're gonna have to take it.'cause we are getting some three and ounce, we're getting them to punt. I guess we occasionally give them first downs, I guess, as opposed to what we saw last year. People running wide open all over in our secondary I'll take this. 10 out of 10 times.

Jacob: 29:21

I mean, I can only think of really that the one play. The end. When Chris Godwin scored the touchdown against the Buccaneers, that's the only time we've seen a receiver kind of running open. And that was kind of just a really good play call. Kind of fell right into it.

Jason Harwood: 29:34

Yep.

Jacob: 29:35

We've had tight coverage.

Jason Harwood: 29:36

No, we've had, and we've gotten in trouble for it. But like I said, I'd trade that for guys running wide open we should mention, Carlton Davis did leave for concussion, poor recall, but they announced today that he. it and would have been able to come back to the game, but they kept them out cause it was so out of hand. So that's good news coming into next week. Cause we are going to need our secondary healthy for next week. Cause we got, big challenge coming, real quick. Let's talk about special teams. Jake Bates four for four on field goals five for five on extra points. So great day for Jake. He had a 40, a 48 and two 33 yarders. So awesome day for Jake. I will say that every extra point he kicks, it looks like it's going to miss.

Jacob: 30:17

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 30:18

at the referee to see if he made it or not. Cause on TV, it's so close to the post. I don't know if it's in or not. I don't like that, but

Jacob: 30:26

Yeah, I, right, I don't know if he's just kicking it too hard. I mean it's slicing through there, but yeah, he was perfect. So great game from Jake Bates.

Jason Harwood: 30:35

Yeah.

Jacob: 30:35

Obviously you couldn't ask for more. He's a kicker. That's what you want. Make all the times that you try.

Jason Harwood: 30:40

I know. And the one extra point again, he had to kick it after another 15 yard penalty on Amin Ra. I,

Jacob: 30:48

Jack Fox. Didn't need him.

Jason Harwood: 30:50

yeah,

Jacob: 30:51

game, Jack.

Jason Harwood: 30:52

I thought about that. I was like, man, what an easy game to paycheck. Right. He doesn't, he

Jacob: 30:56

Yeah, right.

Jason Harwood: 30:57

know he probably is a snapper or the holder for the field goals and extra points. So he did get out on the field, but he doesn't even do the kickoffs anymore, so he was, yeah, his leg is fully rested for

Jacob: 31:09

It's just chilling, right?

Jason Harwood: 31:10

again, we're not going to need

Jacob: 31:12

Yeah,

Jason Harwood: 31:12

week. So. All right, let's move into the defense here, Jacob, how do you, how do you want to start this out? What do you want to talk about?

Jacob: 31:22

we'll just go right into it. Just, touching on what I said last week was the key to victory. shut down the running game, make them throw the ball. And I said, how well is that going to perform under pressure? And that the big difference is that Brian Branch is back. 100 percent that came to be the difference. He's just a different level player. And it's, the defense looks way better having branch back there. He had what? Six tackles, two interceptions. He had the forest fumble, just a great game from branch. And I think that's the biggest thing that was missing when we played the Seahawks. I think our defensive play calling was probably pretty similar. We just didn't have branch back there. We had to rely on Joseph. And I think we also had a linebackers playing coverage a little bit more into Seahawks. So this Dallas game to have branch back there was huge. Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 32:13

Yeah. I mean, the play of the game really to me is that first interception that he gets Dak and

Jacob: 32:19

Oh, yeah.

Jason Harwood: 32:21

we're up seven to three at that point, Cowboys, can't, they came down, I got the field goal, we scored, then they kind of rushed right back out and, got down to the, to the red zone and they, they could have scored on that. But Brian branch peels off his man. It just sees CD lamb and anticipates it. That's a full anticipation play

Jacob: 32:39

Yes.

Jason Harwood: 32:41

has the guy in the flat. That's his responsibility. But as soon as he sees Dax eyes go there, he goes right towards CD lamb and CD lamb didn't even try for the ball. He could see branch just undercutting it. He knew it was intercepted. So,

Jacob: 32:55

Right.

Jason Harwood: 32:56

that totally flipped it. Then it gave us the ball and then we go down and we get it, field goal. We're up by score. And, it just. offense is just was just too hard to stop our our offense was just too hard to stop So to me that was the play of the game that first

Jacob: 33:12

Definitely. It reminds me of when you play Madden on AllMadden, and you see the route you see you want to throw it to, and the second you push the ball to throw to that receiver, just the defender all of a sudden switches direction and goes right to your guy and picks it off. It makes you throw your controller against the wall. It was just perfect. He was in the flat, he knew, he'd seen the play call, he'd dropped back, just, yeah.

Jason Harwood: 33:33

yeah. So Dak was like, he was throwing his controller, right? Like how did

Jacob: 33:37

Yeah, right, right.

Jason Harwood: 33:38

how to branch know to go right back. Yeah, no, I got I've, I've been there

Jacob: 33:42

He wanted to change it back to rookie difficulty.

Jason Harwood: 33:45

That's my son's move. Be like,

Jacob: 33:47

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 33:48

I want 37, nothing. But the five, five turnovers today, huge. I mean, just they kept getting the ball back and that Kirby got another one in the end zone. So it's like we only intercept in the end zone, which is, I'm okay with, cause

Jacob: 34:02

He had one called back though. He almost got one outside of the endzone.

Jason Harwood: 34:06

I know he did. It was really close. His heels were back on the back of the

Jacob: 34:09

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 34:11

Yeah, it was, it was, Kirby only endzone. That was probably his easiest interception that he's

Jacob: 34:16

Yes. And

Jason Harwood: 34:19

I don't know where Cooper Rush was throwing that pass because he didn't must not know it could see Kirby in the endzone. I'm convinced of this. know, the first year, they were the first game they're saying that he blended in with the endzone or whatever, but they keep throwing it towards them and he's. I don't know. I mean, that that was just a simple pitch and catch that he took that and he just sat down. I was glad Kirby was mature with it and just kneel,

Jacob: 34:42

didn't try to run it out, yeah.

Jason Harwood: 34:44

Branches. Second interception was awesome. he almost scored it. He almost got his pick six. I mean,

Jacob: 34:49

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 34:50

Very close. If Dale's Cowboys wide receiver tracked him down, he really stayed in the play. If he'd have given up yeah, branch would have scored on that. And that would have been, that would have been awesome. Just kept getting a touchdown, but it's awesome. Four sacks yesterday, Aleem had two, Hutch had. unfortunately on the play, he got hurt. Hutch also had one called back on Jan Campbell's he was holding Ferguson on that play. So I, yeah, it was great. We held them for three for 13 on third downs, one for four on fourth down conversion, so defense has played out of their mind and, the last, we were pulling starters out from like. The end of the third quarter on him. Yeah, it was, it

Jacob: 35:31

Right. What was their red zone touchdown percentage?

Jason Harwood: 35:36

Oh, for three with two picks.

Jacob: 35:39

Right.

Jason Harwood: 35:39

threw two picks

Jacob: 35:40

We talked about that too. We, gotta tighten up in the end zone, er, in the red zone. They weren't a very good red zone team and, it happened to them again.

Jason Harwood: 35:49

Yeah.

Jacob: 35:50

egg.

Jason Harwood: 35:50

Yeah, it was. And that tighter coverage that we talk about comes in real handy down in that red zone. that's, everybody's bunched up. So it's even more critical that you get tight coverage down there. And the fact that they can't run we could drop back linebackers could play their zone or play whatever they need to do. They don't have to worry about the rush. And that really, I mean, that's why our red zone is generally really good. we'll get to our offense, but I think we went three for five, but one was that play that we threw to Decker had that game was out of hand if, if it wasn't, we were on the one yard line, we run demo right up

Jacob: 36:27

Yes.

Jason Harwood: 36:27

that touchdown. they got that delay game that backed it up their red zone. The problems that happened in the Bucks game were isolated. I think I'm convinced that we're isolated for that game only. And they learned their lesson that we're what we need to do to score when we get down there and let's not to get too cute. Anything else on the defense? I know we kind of just touched on the offense. Anything else before we move on to the fully onto the offense here?

Jacob: 36:56

No, I'm good.

Jason Harwood: 36:57

Okay. 492 yards, golf 18 for 25 for 315 yards with three touchdowns. another passer rate, almost perfect passer rating. this one might've been perfect. I'm not sure the last two is pretty close, but he's only,

Jacob: 37:15

It was close again. Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 37:16

there's only two quarterbacks with passer ratings above 150 in the same season, him and Drew Brees are the only two quarterbacks to do it. Good company to be in. Drew Brees is one of the all time greats in my opinion. So just golf on this team. Love the way he's doing. We asked, we challenged him, to get better. I think the team challenged him. I think. know, fans challenged him. We challenged him on this podcast. He had to get better than the first three games. He's done that to the

Jacob: 37:45

Absolutely.

Jason Harwood: 37:47

So

Jacob: 37:48

Yeah, he's playing at a, all time great level for him.

Jason Harwood: 37:51

yep. So I will say that I found this interesting stat. lions are four and oh, this year when he has 18 completions, it's this funny Cowboys 18 for 25 Seahawks 18 for 18 Cardinals 18 for 23 18 for 28.

Jacob: 38:08

Oh, so not at least 18, exactly 18.

Jason Harwood: 38:12

18. Yeah. And so the bucks game, he had, he almost doubled the 18. He had 55 and that's the game we lost. So

Jacob: 38:19

Insane that he threw that much still.

Jason Harwood: 38:22

know. Yeah. It's still, that's like Sesame street. One of these things is not like the other and and then like in all cases. So, but yeah, I was looking through the sets. I was like 18 for 25. Oh, he's 18 for 23. So I thought that was interesting. So I guess once he gets the 18 completions, we just stop. We're just like, we stop. We've won this game. the game at game

Jacob: 38:43

Put Hooker in.

Jason Harwood: 38:45

Yeah, exactly. Well, we did this game. That's

Jacob: 38:47

Right.

Jason Harwood: 38:48

at 18. Dan Campbell's

Jacob: 38:49

Yep.

Jason Harwood: 38:49

We're done.

Jacob: 38:51

There'll be no 40 point comeback today.

Jason Harwood: 38:54

No, no I want to touch on Jamo that play where the quick pass play where they scored a touchdown I mean, that's all Jamo speed and that was perfect timing if you watch that play I'm gonna break this down on YouTube. Cowboys are not even set they don't even have their coverage set they

Jacob: 39:16

The defense line's not even in their stance. The broadcast team, the video's not even set.

Jason Harwood: 39:23

yeah,

Jacob: 39:23

saw that coming.

Jason Harwood: 39:24

no. And if you watch the end zone, I watched it all 22 on it. I mean, it is crazy. They get set up at Frank, like just snaps it like almost immediately. And cause you'd almost never see that. there's always got to survey the defense, read it, whatever. They just knew that they're going to run that and JMO just runs right by digs. And, he's a full two yards past him and golf to his credit, didn't throw, he threw kind of, well, I won't say it's a perfect spiral. It wasn't a doc. It was somewhere in the middle, but it gets the, it gets the Jamison perfectly. And he, hauls and touchdown. So that, that was great to see. Yep.

Jacob: 40:01

Yeah, the placement was perfect. And I mean, that was the perfect kind of play call because you can't give someone like Jameson Williams an extra step or two. And that's exactly what he got over Diggs, and there was just no way he was gonna catch back up to him.

Jason Harwood: 40:13

it just took off hitting him in stride and just not overthrowing him. And he, he dropped it in there perfectly. I will say the other thing that I found was really impressive, Jameson dropped that pass that crosser right at the end of the first quarter there. And then the very next play, they go right back to him and he catches it even more difficult pass than, than what he dropped. And it was for two things, golf, showing confidence and JMO like, Hey, we're going to go right back to you. And then Jamo coming through and just saying, okay, I got this. And it hasn't the concentration. I'm sure it was a lack of concentration. The first crosser that he dropped, that was the lion's first drop of the season by any wide receiver. That was our first drop of the season. That one right there, which, was about one of the easiest passes. And he could have, should have taken that one to the house.

Jacob: 41:02

Yeah, yeah, right. No, but it was very Good call to go right back to him. Let him brush that one off quick and not sit on it too long. Get a first down on the next catch. And it's right back to business.

Jason Harwood: 41:15

and I, let's, let's talk about, we talked about Dave Montgomery's contract. He had, multiple awesome runs. My two favorites were the, the first touchdown run. He had that 16 yard touchdown just as a huge gap runs in there, guys pulling at him. He does a spin breaks out of the tackle and just. bullies his way into the end zone. Love that. The second one was about halfway through the second quarter. He's running to the sideline and that's where he broke like four tackles. And then, know, the last one he breaks and Trayvon Diggs is just looking at him, like, like he

Jacob: 41:52

He just puts an arm on him. He didn't even

Jason Harwood: 41:55

Yeah. He makes the business decision, but I think he thought the other guy was going to tackle him. And you're not going to, it takes more than one guy to take Demo down. And so Monty just, keeps impressing us, keeps impressing me love, love that, love the game for him. And like you said, didn't play that much, but had a heck of a game.

Jacob: 42:15

Yeah, he's just relentless. Every carry that he gets. So you try to bring me down, I'm going to the house.

Jason Harwood: 42:20

Yeah, exactly. So it's a great example for everybody. Know, we haven't even talked about the reverse fleet flicker again, that we ran, slightly different variation from the last one that we ran last year versus Carolina, but same result, touchdown to LaPorta. Yeah, it's a great pass and a great catch by LaPorta.

Jacob: 42:40

Right. Yeah, and for him to like dive into the end zone like that, he knew they were right on him. I mean, top to bottom, that was just a great play.

Jason Harwood: 42:48

It was. And. they have a, they had a younger defense and just, inexperienced defense and they're going to bite on that and Laporta was just wide open. It was great to see and I, watching Monday Night Football, I don't know if you're watching it right now, but on a flea flicker play, Aaron Rodgers got sacked on a flea

Jacob: 43:09

I saw that. Good. Yeah, sacked again like another play later.

Jason Harwood: 43:16

Yeah, it'll make Jeremy Reisman very happy. He hates the flea flicker play in the

Jacob: 43:20

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 43:20

So you get Aaron Rodgers sacked on it and he'll, he'll like

Jacob: 43:23

After, after that play happened, he posted on Twitter, he said that was not a flea flicker, it doesn't count.

Jason Harwood: 43:28

okay.

Jacob: 43:29

About the lions.

Jason Harwood: 43:30

Oh, the lions. Really?

Jacob: 43:32

right.

Jason Harwood: 43:32

Yeah.

Jacob: 43:33

He said it doesn't count as a flea flicker.

Jason Harwood: 43:34

no

Jacob: 43:35

Um,

Jason Harwood: 43:36

angle. Yeah, sure.

Jacob: 43:37

right. No, that was like the first instance of, showing what we were about to do, kind of the trick play and the different, opening up the playbook. Real quick, because I know we talked about Montgomery, we didn't say anything about Gibbs. And Gibbs had a pretty good game too, I mean, he did only, they each had 12 carries, but, Gibbs is so fast he really was five six yards down the field before they even hit him and they were a couple plays where I think that the defenders thought because it was Gibbs that maybe he was going to go down easier, that he was going to be an easier tackle. And Gibbs is running right to take your head off, too. I mean, he's learning that from Montgomery, I guess. He, they get this reputation where Montgomery is like the bulldozer, and Gibbs is the lightning quick one, that's gonna be shiftier. Montgomery's shifty, he's elusive, he's fast, and Gibbs is not easy to bring down, either. I mean, he's not shying from contact, he's not going down easy.

Jason Harwood: 44:30

Yeah, I, there's just so much overlapping between them. And we've talked about that on the podcast previously. It's not a lightning and thunder type thing. They're just so much overlap. I mean, yes, demo is better at breaking tackles. In my opinion, Gibbs has taught hot. high end speed than Dave Montgomery. And I honestly, some I'm shocked that Gibbs doesn't have a really long touchdown, but just watching the game yesterday, just watching the replay, a couple of thoughts to me is like, he's running so fast sometimes that he runs into defenders. Like

Jacob: 45:03

Yes.

Jason Harwood: 45:04

if Steve, if he was a little more patient and just like to, wasn't running a type on speed, he could, he'll make a cut. So I'm hoping with maturity that he learns that skill and that he, once he gets an open space, he does it, he doesn't have to hit top end speed until, he's past it. Pass the defender, let the blocks develop, let that defender commit and then go. Yes, he can. He he's great at juking. He's got amazing vision. I just think that he's just he's doing better than last year. I'm seeing growth from last year, but he's still a couple of times that game that he could have, if he just, once he got to the second level, if he did just slow down just a step, he could have probably taken a couple of those to the house. I really believe that because once he gets past, once he gets on the other side of the defense, no one's going to catch him. No one's going to catch him.

Jacob: 45:59

Right. For sure. It's making that safety miss in the corner and trying to hit that spot instead of, initiating the contact, even if he's like running towards the out of bounds, it seems like he, when he stiff arm Winfield or, throws a shoulder right before he goes out.

Jason Harwood: 46:13

Yeah. I mean, that's the thing is that he doesn't have to look. He doesn't have to initiate the contact.

Jacob: 46:20

No,

Jason Harwood: 46:20

slow down and just like juke the guy and go because he's got that ability. I mean, we showed that, you just mentioned the Winfield play. He did that to Winfield. He just, he slowed down a second, juked one way, and went the other way, and just used his speed to get by him, and then slowed down enough to stiff arm him. So I, I, I still think Gibbs has more to learn, and you're gonna see another level once he develops that skill. I'm, I'm convinced of that.

Jacob: 46:48

and there's no pressure for him, like we said, two running backs, there's no pressure for him to constantly be out there and, taking extra damage or, there's just no, Knock on wood, as long as they're both staying healthy, they're both, complimenting each other.

Jason Harwood: 47:01

Yep, now there are It's an amazing duo, just, we're just so lucky to

Jacob: 47:05

It's the best in the league.

Jason Harwood: 47:06

yeah, I don't think there's any question now for

Jacob: 47:09

No.

Jason Harwood: 47:10

that they're the best in like now, McCaffrey and Mason could be, could be up there if they were both healthy. I'd say that there'd be up there. But yeah. No one is playing at the level other than Derrick Henry of DEMO right now. No one is, and he's just so hard to take down. know, you get first and goal on the one. no question with our offensive line that DEMO is going to get in that end zone. there's no

Jacob: 47:37

Even if we have to do it four times. Do it four times, then. One of those, he's getting in.

Jason Harwood: 47:41

Oh, he's going to get in and yeah, it ain't going to take four times. I can tell you that, but whatever. And, we'll keep doing it. And then Jerry golf, I'll trick him with the rollout and then he'll score a Russian

Jacob: 47:52

Right. that one play, I think it was when they threw it to Decker. That was when Demo lined up at fullback, right?

Jason Harwood: 47:58

Yeah,

Jacob: 47:59

Yeah. Because I was kind of interested, because Was that Hesse then, that was, like, all the way back?

Jason Harwood: 48:05

I think so.

Jacob: 48:06

I think he was full, he was halfback, and then they had Montgomery fullback, right there in the middle. And then I was kind of wondering, okay, are they gonna try to pitch it to Hesse, or are they gonna really run up the middle from fullback with Demo?

Jason Harwood: 48:17

Yeah,

Jacob: 48:18

it was all just a ploy so that they could try to throw it to Decker, who wasn't open, and Goff still threw a pretty good ball, and if he had better hands, he might have came down with it.

Jason Harwood: 48:27

the defender was pretty much on him and he got his hands in there, but Decker still made a good stab at it. He still looked

Jacob: 48:34

it, right.

Jason Harwood: 48:35

like to make a, he didn't look like a tackle out there trying to catch that. In my opinion, his hands were right on the

Jacob: 48:42

It was close, right.

Jason Harwood: 48:43

but. it is what it is. I will mention that now we're mentioning the running game. Vaki had a really nice run at the end of the,

Jacob: 48:49

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 48:50

the end of the game. I was really happy. I was hoping they were going to put Vaki and I knew that they had to put Craig in. Let's give Craig some touches. He hasn't got much touches this year. There's been no need to but I was so Vaki had a really nice juke and it got some yardage. I was really happy to see him and really happy to see Hennon hooker get in there. And throw a 19 yard completion on his first pass attempt. So that was, that was nice.

Jacob: 49:13

For sure. Let everybody get involved. While we're having fun here, decimating the Cowboys.

Jason Harwood: 49:19

Yes was, oh man, in Jerry's world and Jerry's

Jacob: 49:24

On his birthday. Ugh.

Jason Harwood: 49:26

happy birthday.

Jacob: 49:27

I got

Jason Harwood: 49:28

that was, that was nice. That's like, 10 years of pent up, getting beat by the Cowboys and two of them in, ridiculous fashion. And as far as like referee calls or weird calls or however you want to word it. So it was, it was nice.

Jacob: 49:43

The Seahawks the last game, and now the Cowboys this game.

Jason Harwood: 49:46

I know we got 49ers in a few weeks, so yeah, we'll

Jacob: 49:50

A few weeks. Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 49:52

Yeah, it's, it's,

Jacob: 49:53

Pretty far out, but we're still, it's still an important game to us.

Jason Harwood: 49:56

it is. all right. We kind of mentioned this early on, but our grit guarantees last week were I predict Dave Montgomery with two touchdowns positive. Jacob went even bold. He went really bold. I thought hold the Cowboys under 300 yards of offense. Yep. He, we did that. Lions did that. So that was,

Jacob: 50:16

Nailed it.

Jason Harwood: 50:17

I. I was shocked, especially how the first two drives, the Cowboys went down, got Down, scored a field goal and then got, down the red zone first few drives. I was like, Ooh, that's going to be tough to keep them under 300 yards. But

Jacob: 50:31

they had that deflection on the first drive, and I think they had like a, one really big play on the second one. outside of that, really great defensive game, obviously.

Jason Harwood: 50:40

yeah,

Jacob: 50:41

I saw coming. I called it.

Jason Harwood: 50:43

yeah, you're, you're amazing. You're amazing, Jacob.

Jacob: 50:45

I know.

Jason Harwood: 50:46

tell you that you tell yourself that enough. So but no great game felt really good about it. and that leads us into, next week, huge. Huge game that we're going to be talking about. And looks like we're lining up a pretty good guest guest to talk to us about the Vikings. We'll, we'll hold that as a secret until till that, till we release it Thursday morning. But really looking forward to looking into the Vikings. I like our chances next week. The Hutch thing is kinda, puts a little question mark on it. If Hutch was playing, I have. I'd say the Lions are, they've looked to prove a point this week, and they're going to look to prove another one next week that, we are the leaders of this division. It's for first place in the division next week. So, if we

Jacob: 51:32

Right.

Jason Harwood: 51:32

tiebreaker and we'll have the same record as the Vikings and we'll have that tiebreaker. So, but, the rest of the

Jacob: 51:38

It's a huge test for us

Jason Harwood: 51:40

It

Jacob: 51:40

in Minnesota. I

Jason Harwood: 51:41

but I'll say it's a huge test for Minnesota too. They want to prove that they're, they are what their record says they are, they, they want to prove that. They're got pressure on them too. Lines either just whether the storm in the first half and the Vikings have not played well in the second half, whether that's because they've been up so much I'd like to put them in a close game situation, which they haven't been in lately and just see how they, how they do. I

Jacob: 52:07

mean, they had close, they had the game against the 49ers. They had the close game against the Packers. the Jets in London was not exactly a huge blowout for them either. But, the teams that they really did, beat by a lot were the Texans which was a really impressive win for them, and then the Giants. Which that was week one, we kind of thought the giants were going to be good, but I mean, the giants have kind of showed some fight too. So, and they have a bi week, so they're watching, trying to see the game against the Cowboys and see what they're up against. And they, they're worried now,

Jason Harwood: 52:39

Yeah,

Jacob: 52:40

they know.

Jason Harwood: 52:41

they just saw it. I mean, we've scored over 40 in the last two weeks now. Vikings are, good defense, but they had, this tricky defense last year and the Lions figured it out, in those two games. And I think. we're going to, this is a tough offense to crack and we can go multiple on this. As long as we, golf throws 18 completions. We're good. That's all. Soon as he hits

Jacob: 53:05

Yeah,

Jason Harwood: 53:06

run the whole way. So, all right, Jacob, I think we're about ready to wrap up. Anything else that

Jacob: 53:13

no.

Jason Harwood: 53:14

that's on your mind? All right. For Jacob, I'm Jason victory Monday. We'll get this out on Tuesday. But one thing to say, lions.