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E35: “Pride Preview” - Jaymo's got a gun, Week 9: Detroit Lions at Green Bay (feat. Dusty Evely)

Jason Harwood / Jacob Litton / Dusty Evely Season 1 Episode 35

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In this episode of 'Talking Grit,' hosts Jason Harwood and Jacob Litton discuss the upcoming divisional matchup between the Green Bay Packers and the Detroit Lions. They provide insights and expectations for the game, highlight the importance of key players, and consider the impact of recent news and potential weather conditions. The episode features an interview with Dusty Evely from Acme Packing Company, covering various aspects of the Packers, including their defense, quarterback dynamics, and strategies. The conversation also touches on the significance of turnovers and the potential impact of injuries on both teams. The hosts conclude with their keys to victory, game predictions, and weekly picks for other NFL games.

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Jason Harwood:

Welcome everybody back to another episode of talking grit. I'm Jason Harwood and Jacob Litton is here as well. Another big divisional matchup. We got the green Bay Packers. Again, going for first place in the division again. So I'm excited for this game. I expect the lions to be ready. The Packers are for sure going to be ready. They don't want to lose in their own house again, like they did last year. So it should be lots of fun, we will have to wait an extra long time because it's going 25. So we'll at least be able to watch the one o'clock games and then we'll the main show at four 25. We got Tom Brady again. So that's, that should be good.

Jacob:

Right where we belong. The main spotlight.

Jason Harwood:

Just like we have done all season, we have an interview with Packer's writer. This time it's Dusty Evely from the Acme Packers company. I'm going to give a big shout out to Jeremy Reisman. Cause he hooked, hooked us up. We'll struggle a little bit to find, the right person. And, and Jeremy hooked us up. So thank you, Jeremy Reisman. But before we get into this game. been in the news again. Let's talk about it. Jacob, what's your thoughts?

Jacob:

This is non news for me. I mean, for us and fans, like people close to the team and everything like that, they've known about this issue already when it happened. It's really a non issue. I mean, he, it seems like he didn't do anything illegal. He, seemed like he was doing everything. They cooperated with the police. I know you watch the body cam footage and everything. I did not, go to that length, but I, I read up on it and everything. I saw what he did and what, it doesn't sound like anything's going to happen from this. He's not going to be facing any more discipline from the NFL. It doesn't look like maybe they'll investigate what happened. I just think because of his reputation, because of the suspension that he just had, because of what he's had in the past. National media and everything are really quick to kind of jump on him and make, make it bigger than it is, make something out of nothing. That's how I feel about it. I feel like that's how most people around here feel about it. Do you feel the same way or, you know, what, what are your thoughts?

Jason Harwood:

I, it's, when you said non issue, that's what it is to me. This is just like, it's more of an annoyance than anything for

Jacob:

Right.

Jason Harwood:

I'm just like, why is this even a thing? I mean, if he loses some games because of this, yeah, I'm going to be I'll be mad about that, but I just think that people have to nitpick on things and, you know, I remember a training camp, cheering for JMO, cheering for JMO. And then, you know, the suspension happened, you know, two weeks ago, we're never going to find out what the substance was. Based on what Dan Campbell said, but using, he had a rope analogy where, during last year, we, the Lions threw down a rope to him, helped him, get on the team and do things. Do the way, do the right thing after the suspension for the gambling. And Dan Campbell said something about, he lost his grip on the rope the time. When he said that we didn't know anything about the gun situation.

Jacob:

Yeah.

Jason Harwood:

referring to just, you know, the, the suspension so I took it as Jamo may have taken something or just slipped up. Team didn't seem too worried about it, but. At the time Dan's also referring to this. We just don't know. We just didn't know about this. I hadn't hit the news yet. I think it's stupid. He didn't do anything. yes. Should he have a seat, you know, a concealed what, if he's going to have the gun under his seat, he's got to have a concealed, uh, license. There's talk about, cause his brother had one, you know, JMO didn't do anything wrong. It covers every concealed weapon in the car. I'm not a lawyer. I don't know if that's true or not. I just hope that. For the team's sake that he doesn't get suspended, you know, these things, little things keep happening. So, I mean, I would, would give me pause about giving him a big contract extension, not just because of this incident, just because little things just keep creeping up and when you're going to invest million, 25 million in a player per year, know, him losing two games, three, four games each year, That starts to add up. So I could see that that would be a factor in a contract extension. But as far as like this year, this team right now, it's just next man up. It's like an injury. He's out for a couple of games. Let's keep going. I, I, this thing is just social media fodder to me.

Jacob:

Right, I mean, you made a good point about the contract situation to regardless of why he, has missed games. He has missed games, it's come up, he hasn't been there. If you're talking about his production level and everything like that, I mean, that, you know, his ability is definitely he's a great player. He's somebody we want on the team, his production, everything that he's been doing doesn't necessarily warrant a massive contract like that. We don't know, you know, do they pick up the fifth year option? Do they try to work out another extension or something with him ahead of time? Who knows, this definitely doesn't help his case there, but, yeah, in this particular instance, I mean, there's so many worse things that come up, there was no car accident, nobody was injured, he had no illegal substances on him, there's just so many different things you hear about that are way worse and way bigger news. It just feels like they're, you know, they're searching for a story. And that was the easy one for them to get

Jason Harwood:

I agree. And you know, I just think if you or I were pulled over in that same situation, I'm in the car with you. I have a gun under the seat. No one, you know, it's not a big deal because. No,

Jacob:

muskets underneath the seat.

Jason Harwood:

right. Hey man, don't, don't knock my musket.

Jacob:

All right. His civil war era bayonet.

Jason Harwood:

Hey, it's, it's okay paying that nice, nice one. I like that,

Jacob:

Thanks.

Jason Harwood:

deep cut. All right. Uh, I just, I just think it's, uh, a, it's a stupid, you know, it just keeps, keeps happening to the same guy. If it was a different teammate have, you know, maybe been a slight headline and moved on, but this may be ESPN's front page. Um, you know, but issue a warrant issued for. Out for him. I don't think it's for his arrest necessarily. I don't know. And it just seems like, uh, It wasn't a big deal until like the news got ahold of it. And then they inquired, you know, why did Jamo get off without being arrested? And

Jacob:

Yes. Right. Right.

Jason Harwood:

issue? I, I don't, I don't get it.

Jacob:

That was the first, like it was Detroit News originally, where it was just like, you know, they're investigating why, you know, he wasn't arrested or why he wasn't detained or whatever, and then ESPN and TMZ and all these other places, and, you know, I feel bad for JMO. I feel like it should have, you know, been very small, minor, like, you know, let's work this out in the background. It's not, you know,

Jason Harwood:

And he was right up with the team, told them

Jacob:

stupid.

Jason Harwood:

Cam Sutton situation where Cam

Jacob:

Yes.

Jason Harwood:

anybody about this. I mean, from what the lines reported and what, you know, I trust what Dan Campbell said that, this happened October 8th, he told them about it right away. They went on their business. So just happened to coincide with the suspension. You know, if he wouldn't have been suspended, would this have been an issue to, I don't know, but just unfortunate. It keeps happening to him. He seems like a good kid. It just, you know, there might be a maturity thing, as he gets older, hopefully he grows out of it.

Jacob:

At the same time, I mean, if we're being honest, if you're talking about someone, rich, driving through the cities of Detroit, It's not a terrible idea to have your, you know, have a registered weapon and just keep yourself protected.

Jason Harwood:

Yep.

Jacob:

wasn't out flashing it on Instagram and, you know, John Morant and doing different things. He wasn't firing off rounds. It wasn't, you know, there's just so many worse situations. It could have been that just. It's crazy to me,

Jason Harwood:

Yeah, well, you're right, I mean, but also you could also say, just get your CPL license and then you don't have to worry about it at all. So, I mean, that's, it's just another

Jacob:

right? Right.

Jason Harwood:

if you had

Jacob:

He was halfway there,

Jason Harwood:

yeah, no, he's halfway there. And hopefully, know, it just doesn't result in a suspension or anything like that.

Jacob:

I, mean, if that results in an extended suspension, I'll be furious based on the other incidents that I've had in the offseason. The other teams that have not resulted in any time.

Jason Harwood:

Yeah. The other,

Jacob:

Obviously, the substance thing, you know, like, you can't really avoid that one. Like you already said, we don't know what it is. We can't speak on that. It doesn't matter, but you know, you, that's just the rules. You have a substance like that. You're suspended. That's pretty cut and dry. Some of these other things, you got the Rasheed Rice incident and there's just countless other, Jabril Peppers right now is just on the exempt list because, crazy, terrible things. Uh, sounds like he did, if that's true.

Jason Harwood:

Let's get done talking this JMO nonsense and let's uh, let's get on to this game. Let's talk about the impact players. You want to go through those?

Jacob:

Yeah, impact players from the Green Bay Packers. Um, start off with quarterback Jordan Love, uh, NFL top 100 number 34. He's pro football focus number 20 quarterback. Defensive end Rashawn Gary was voted NFL top 100 number 50. He's actually pro football focus number 49 defensive end right now. Um, then you have a lot of top 10 pro football focus players. Running back Josh Jacobs is number 7. Offensive tackle Zach Tom, number 8. Uh, both safeties Evan Williams is rated number 5. Xavier McKinney is rated number 3. You have a linebacker, Eric Wilson is rated pro football focus number three. And then you have cornerback Jair Alexander is rated pro football focus number 14. A lot of impact players on this Green Bay team. And you know a lot of very highly rated on pro football focus. It's also worth mentioning I know Jordan Love is hurt right now. Malik Willis has started a few times for him already this year Malik Willis is actually rated number 13 on pro football focus and quarterback rankings So he's actually outperformed Jordan Love in the few starts he's had, you know, according to those Pro football focus numbers.

Jason Harwood:

Yeah, I think that's crazy. I mean, they're both more rated than Jared Goff. It's crazy. I don't know how they come up with those numbers sometimes, but yeah, my,

Jacob:

got to just be the rushing angle

Jason Harwood:

I'm sure it

Jacob:

That's the only thing I can think of

Jason Harwood:

Yep.

Jacob:

is the value they provide rushing,

Jason Harwood:

and also he's, uh, well, Malik hasn't thrown interception either, whereas Jordan's thrown a few. So I'm sure that adds into it.

Jacob:

right? You

Jason Harwood:

All right. Packers are coming into this game, six and two. They are currently third in the NFC North, their schedule has been kind of, I've It's similar to ours, but they've had, you know, a big game with the Texans, which they beat the Texans, uh, in week seven, 24, 22, they just beat the Jaguars 30, 27, they did lose to the Vikings at home 29 31. But at one point that game was, uh, 28, nothing. Um, and then they lost to the opening game, 29, 34 to the Eagles, but they beat the Colts, the Titans, the Rams, Cardinals, Texans, and Jaguars.

Jacob:

A lot of close games,

Jason Harwood:

Yep. A lot of close games. Uh, so we'll, we'll see in a way I expect this one to be close to.

Jacob:

for sure. For

Jason Harwood:

not practice. Levi Anzarique did not practice. Frank Ragnar did not practice. DJ Reader got rest. Uh, and Kevin Zietler got rest. Those were all pretty much rest. They have a chest mark for Taylor Decker, but I think from based on what Dan Campbell said, they're all just getting like a veteran rest day, all the big boys. Goff did not practice today due to an ankle. Uh, Sion Iwaki did not practice due to a knee. And, um, well, so Josh Paschal was defensive line. Still has not practiced. And that's due to the cancer treatment thing that he had to go through. So we don't, we don't know what exactly what's going on there, but on the positive note, Broderick Martin practice today, full practice, they started his 21 day window coming, so they take them, they could take them off the injured reserve list. I don't expect anything this game. They'll probably use that. Unless there's an injury that forces them to come back early. They'll probably use up his 21 day window and they'll decide in three weeks what they're going to do with them.

Jacob:

sure.

Jason Harwood:

Alrighty, Jacob, you wanna go through the Packers list here?

Jacob:

Yeah, Packers also with an extensive list. Um, they didn't have anybody listed out just to rest, though. Go right through here. They have a lot of starters actually, uh, for them. So Jair Alexander did not practice knee injury. Josh Jacobs did not practice, uh, Elton Jenkins, Jordan Love, Josh Myers, Rashid Walker. Uh, safety Evan Williams. These are all starters and high profile players for them and none of them got in a practice. They did have a cornerback Corey Ballantine defensive line. Kenny Clark both got in limited practices. Clay Walker, the linebacker that's been out for a concussion, he got in a full practice, so it looks like they're going to have him back. And then Devontae Wyatt, defensive lineman, also had limited practice. So, you know, the Packers are pretty banged up right now. They do have a bye week coming up. So it'll be interesting to see, you know, how they decide to manage these injuries versus, you know, it's an important game that they're playing right now against us. So they, they need this win, but they also need these guys further on in the season. So. It'll be interesting to see, you know, who plays and who doesn't, obviously it's only Wednesday right now. So there'll be more information as the week goes on. I know, uh, Josh Jacobs, they're pretty sure that he's going to play, even though he didn't practice, that would be a huge loss for them if he did not.

Jason Harwood:

Yep. What did, uh, Eldon Jenkins, what's he, what was he out on the injury report for?

Jacob:

Uh, his butt hurts. He's a,

Jason Harwood:

is glute. I've never seen glute on the injury report. He's all butt hurt. Um,

Jacob:

I was going to look into that. Like I, that happened in the game. What, you know,

Jason Harwood:

You want to see where he's, you talk about me, big, strong men. You're like, I don't want to see where his butt got hurt. All

Jacob:

not where it got hurt. How, how are we attributing that to a glute?

Jason Harwood:

All right. All

Jacob:

Did you pull your glute muscle on a block? I don't, you know what you sat down on it wrong.

Jason Harwood:

I

Jacob:

He's 300 pounds. I don't know.

Jason Harwood:

He might've sat on the bench too hard. I don't know. I've got down now. That'd be a hell of a way to hurt yourself. All right. Um, offensive rankings, PFF has the Packers offense rated 16th in the league. As far as points per game, there are six in the league. The lions are number one. Uh, just, you know, to throw that out there, The Packers get a lot of yards. They're fifth in yards per game, uh, ninth in passing yards, and second in rushing yards per game. Josh Jacobs is going to be a test this game, that's for sure. How are they looking defensively, Jacob?

Jacob:

Defensively, Pro Football Focus ranks him number 17 overall on defense. Points per game, they are ranked 11th. Total yards per game, 15th. Their passing defense in terms of yards per game is ranked 19th. Their rushing yards per game is ranked 10th. So the defense looks, uh, you know, a little bit better than they did last year. Especially their run defense being top 10. They've got a big test for them with our running backs coming to town though.

Jason Harwood:

Yes, they do. All right, I think it's about time to get to our interview. It's with Dusty Eveley from the Acme Packers company. Uh, he does various other things, podcasts and all sorts of things. So he'll, he'll talk about that in his interview. Hope you enjoy it. We enjoyed talking with Dusty. He was super fun guy, something that you guys won't hear, but we found out afterwards, he's actually from Detroit and you know, he's huge Tigers fan. So we connected on that and it was great to hear that from him. So without Dusty's interview. We want to welcome Dusty Eveley from the Acme Packing Company. He covers the Packers. Thanks for joining us. Really big mid season game coming up here. Are you hyped? I know. I know we are.

Dusty:

Yeah, I'm hyped. I'm excited to have these games mean something. First of all, thank you for having me. Very excited to talk to you guys. Uh, yeah, um, it's cool that both these teams are good. Uh, it lends a little something to this game. I am currently, there's a handful of Packers players. fairly prominent Packers players that the status for the game is in doubt a little bit. So I am slightly worried about this game from being honest with you, but no, I'm, I'm, I'm excited. Any division, I think this is the first, no, we played the Vikings second divisional game so far this year. I'm, I'm, I'm excited about it. If a little worried,

Jason Harwood:

my first question is a simple one. Is this the game of the week? The Packers line game, or is it the other tough game is Carolina, New Orleans. Is it this one or that one? What, where would your, where would you vote?

Dusty:

you're talking to a man who the only thing I love more than like really good football is just the worst quarterback play you've ever seen in your life. Like if you get just a game where both guys combine for seven completions, that's my dream. So. I could go either way, man. I could really go either way. Yeah. I mean, it's hard not to pick this one, right? I mean, this is, it's in division. Both these teams are looking really, really good right now. So it's, it's, it's one of those, um, uh, you know, could go either way in terms of, I think either team could potentially run away with it. I'm hoping for a very close game, but I think it's hard to pick anything other than this as game of the week this week.

Jason Harwood:

Yeah. Speaking of bad quarterback player, you're talking to a team that we had tied that Murray through seven interceptions in a game to the Browns. Okay. So we know about bad quarterback play, but, uh, yeah, so yeah, this is, I think you're right. It's going to be a good game. Dick Campbell said today. That it's going to come down to the fourth quarter and you know, someone's going to make a mistake. And whoever doesn't make that error, they're probably going to come out on top, you know, and both these teams love getting turnovers, right? I mean, the Packers lead the lead, the league in turnovers lines are not

Dusty:

Yeah,

Jason Harwood:

behind, uh, and yeah, it's going to have to

Dusty:

the safeties alone, right? Between McKinney and branch and, and I guess Kirby Joseph's having a good year too, right? Like,

Jacob:

Yeah,

Dusty:

the safeties alone are just, just nabbing every ball that comes their way, dude. It's insane.

Jason Harwood:

Yeah, that's actually, that's funny because that was my one of the question I was going to ask you the safety combos in this are great. So we have branch and Joseph, you have Williams and Xavier McKinney. I mean, between those, that grouping is, is tough.

Dusty:

Yeah. Williams has been a bit of a surprise. Um, and, and he was injured last week. So. He missed, I think the second half of that game, uh, maybe more than the second half. I think he left in the second quarter and that kind of switched how the Packers play defense. I'm curious. Um, the word on him, they've not said for sure if he's playing, it sounds they're like, they're optimistic he'll play. If not, it would probably be back there is who subbed in for him last game. He didn't look quite as good. That's another rookie at Williams has been revelation. And McKinney was one of those like top free agent target. He's going to be great for this halfway scheme. Packers had like no playable safeties in the off season. Who are they going to get? been worth every penny so far, like not just the interceptions, but how he plays the run, how he breaks up passes. If you just watch, you watch the, you know, the all 22, the coaches film and just watch Xavier McKinney, the, as much the ground that he covers his instincts. It's, I mean, you could say the same thing for branch. Like both those guys are playing at such a high level right now in terms of anticipation, closing speed, all that stuff. It's been just an absolute delight to watch McKinney and Williams has been, it was a fourth round pick fifth round pick. I think, um, That was the question. Who's going to start beside McKinney this year? Williams has just taken that job. McKinney's been, or Williams has been just absolutely insane. So I hope he can play because that's been a great pairing.

Jason Harwood:

You know, in the

Jacob:

for sure.

Jason Harwood:

been a of the safety position just around the league. You know, Justin Simmons was out on the market for a while and you know, our team's getting a lot of turnovers. We're showing the value of having a really good safety back there. So know, not that I want to talk up the contract because Kirby Joseph is going to have to sign one in a couple of years here. I don't want to make a more expensive, but you know, our team. You know, our, I know from my experience and I imagine for years that the lines would be in a lot different position had Kirby Joseph's back there. I mean, he's had five interceptions, I believe in four of them have been in the end zone. You know, the other teams in the, you know, taking away a scoring chance and those games go a different way if they don't get those picks. And I, I don't know where Xavier McKinney's been for all his six, but. You know, it's their game changing, you know, turnovers are obviously game changing plays.

Dusty:

Yeah, he's been, he had a, uh, like a fair catch and reception against Anthony Richardson, who was just hucking and chucking. He had like kind of a one that fell into his lap against Levis for the most part. Like he's. He's working, like he's caught them all different areas of the field. Um, I don't know if he's had, have one of the end zone. He had one at like the two yard line that say that against the Vikings, that kind of helped them get back in that game. So he's been McKinney's been all over the place, dude.

Jason Harwood:

It's awesome.

Jacob:

He's making the Giants offseason look very bad on top of him and Saquon just what a fumble like they really screwed that up,

Dusty:

That also would be, that's like, that's like parking the Miata next to a trailer, right? Like if McKinney's still on that giants team and just light it up and the team is just, just hot garbage. Like he's,

Jacob:

right?

Dusty:

get him out of there. So I'm

Jacob:

Yeah,

Dusty:

I am happy. He got away from that.

Jacob:

I'm sure he was dying to get out of there.

Dusty:

Oh yeah,

Jason Harwood:

All right. Let's stick on the defense. You got a new defensive coordinator, Jeff Halfley. What's I mean, I, we know we switched from three, four to four, three, what else are we seeing? That's what are you seeing? That's different this year compared to, you know, last year and previous years under Joe Berry.

Dusty:

uh, they're, they're good. Um, so that's, that's, that's a good change up. Um, they care about stopping the run and they've been pretty good at it. I will say their, their past Russia suffered. I think part of that's been. not been great. Uh, they four under Barry. They pl lines. It's basically lik edge rusher guy, uh, unde lot of single high, but a they did under Barry. Uh, play is a lot better. Uh, Quay Walker. I don't know what Quay is going to do this week if he's going to play. Uh, he's been injured. He got a concussion in the Texans game. Eric Wilson stepped in. The Wilsons look great. First round pick, Adrian Cooper has been incredible linebacker. I think sometimes due to coaching, sometimes just due to that you just, he plays, that's, that's a different speed that man plays that than everyone else. Um, and a lot of the SIM pressure stuff, he didn't do it too much against the Jags, but they tried to win early in the season with four down man rushes and they can't do it. Like they don't have Gary. Hasn't been Gary. Preston Smith is washed. Kenny Clark hasn't been doing quite as well as he had been doing. Devante Wyatt was coming on, then he got injured. So he kind of started living more in like the some of the stuff you see in Flores. I mean, not exactly, but a lot of seven main lines, you drop a lot of guys out to play that hook. Edge Cooper had to play this past week that he was starting mugged up over the center and then carried a wide receiver up the pipe and broke up a pass 30 yards on the field. So

Jason Harwood:

Wow.

Dusty:

Uh, but they're, they're doing a lot of four man rushes out of seven man lines. Um, so it's a, it's a blitz without showing as a blitz on the numbers, uh, and that stuff. That stuff, Barry, like, I don't know if he knew how to do that. Uh, there, there was none, like, Barry was very safe. That's what, that's what I guess I'll say. Barry was very safe, uh, kind of sit back, rally and tackle, and then they weren't very good at tackling. Whereas Halfley is more attacking. And so you've got, you've got more chances for explosive plays against Halfley, especially when he does bring pressure, like certain pressure on third down, uh, if you can block that up. But they're also creating turnovers. And I know some of that's luck, like some of that's bound to come back down, but there's an aggressiveness that they're playing, uh, that they did not play under Barry. And then you combine that with some of the SIM pressure world he was living in for about three or four games, pretty heavy, uh, up until this past game, they didn't do it too much against the Jags. It's something we never, we didn't see under Barry. So it was a creativity and just aggressiveness to this team, kind of at all levels of defense that we just. We're not seeing. And if Barry was here again, this year, even with a guy like Edger and Cooper, it would not look like it is now. It was to be that kind of password approach. So it's, it's a more, more attacking approach. Um, which is, I mean, again, turnovers are lucky that that's, that's part of the game, but they're also not looking into them. If that makes sense. Like they are as Cooper at a sack fumble. Like they're, they're punching at the ball. You got McKinney driving. You've got some really tight coverage. Jair's had probably his best year in the past three seasons. Like they're just, they're playing good, solid, sound defense. We're also kind of pressuring you up front of it. Yeah.

Jacob:

I mean,

Dusty:

know what that meant.

Jacob:

yeah, you have great luck when you know what you're doing. You know, the lions for a while, you know, that's what we were doing too, is, uh, sending four a lot just because we had Hutchinson. So that was kind of like sending five. Um,

Dusty:

Well,

Jacob:

so we've had to make adjustments there, but

Dusty:

yeah. If you can win with four, I mean, do it. And I think like everyone wants to do that and like, Oh, Oh, we can't do this. I mean, yeah, the lions, it's been interesting to see life after Hutchinson here, cause he was that wrecking crew. You could do that. You just, once you lose that, and that was supposed to be, Gary's going to be the dude. Everyone will rally around him and Gary hasn't done it this year. So they just had to get creative with it.

Jason Harwood:

Yeah, I, as a, you know, someone that watches a lot of football, I tend to stick in the more aggressive, uh, standpoint and dictate what you want and just take the mistakes that happen because it's either you die by a thousand paper cuts by just letting someone, you know, dink and dunk all over the field or, you know, you, you get that turnover. I mean, Every, I mean, every personnel, every team, you know, we'll have to judge on themselves on how to do that. But to me, I'd rather I I'd take the more aggressive approach, you know, almost all the time, just because I want to dictate that and I'll take the mistakes that happen at the other end. Cause you're hoping for the big turnover play. If the turnover happens, those are game changers. That was where, you know, that's how you win. That's how you can win a game or steal a game that maybe you don't have a business of winning. So I, I don't like those type of defense. That's like where you get the floor as defense. Um, I, I, I don't like playing against those because you don't know the rush is going to come from. You know, you had to have a well prepared team and I'm thankful that the Lions have the offensive line that they do, that they can, you know, they have the experience and the talent to do that. And I think that's why the Lions. Fair, pretty well against the Vikings, not all teams can, can, can do that. I I don't know what happened in the first half of your game, because it was the Viking just came out and just bull rushed. And then you guys came storming back in the second half. So is that, you know, that it just, you know, I watched a little bit of the game, but not, uh, not fully, but I'm assuming that, you know, you just get behind the turnover bug and then all of a sudden they're putting 28 up on you real quick.

Dusty:

Yeah, it was some drops, some poor decisions, uh, some, some bad interceptions, I think one like one, like a couple, like one bad throw, but a couple others are kind of misreads or guys running wrong. And then it was just, and I think that's, I mean, that's one of the other things that Halfley, I think aside from this past week against the Jags, I don't think they had given up a touchdown in the second half of a single game this year. Like, so for the most part, their second half. And they've not played strongest of teams. I mean, I guess, I mean, they played the Texans, you know, a couple weeks ago and then the Texans are struggling a bit, but they held them down to three points in the second half. So for the most part, I think it's been. three to six points per half per second half up until the Jags Jags put up 14 on them, but the second half defense has been really, really good. And then, yeah, the offense came to life against the Vikings there when they, they finally figured out what they were doing and blocked it up and, and love stopped, stopped just like hucking to the heavens. But, uh, Yeah, it would have been nice to get some points there early, but they've been good second half for sure.

Jason Harwood:

Go ahead, Jacob.

Jacob:

ability to run the offense? I know he's had a couple of starts already. How do you feel about that?

Dusty:

I feel good about the pairing of, of him and the floor he's done. Um, he came in that first game, uh, when he started that first game, cause he came in like with two plays in the Eagles game and he tried to throw a quick out and it was incomplete. Then he went to throw the Hail Mary and it was a disaster, but then he started the next game and I, it was kind of one of those, what offense are they going to run? Um, that was, that was the question about the floor coming into that game because they had obviously the love game. The first time we really saw love, the first love start was Rogers had COVID. Uh, they didn't find out till Wednesday. That was a couple of years ago. And it's the chiefs and they just kept the same game plan in. And the love was bad. It's like, no, it was blessed him like 70 percent of the time. And he was like, that's on me. I should have prepared a little better. So it was kind of a, it can afford to do that. What's the game plan look like? What does the malicious package look like at that point? He had been. In camp or he'd been in town less than three weeks. He started that game. The offense looked entirely different. I mean, there was some core stuff that was different. Their run game that they were running single wing stuff. It was, it was a whole package. It was a whole game plan of stuff that they ran with Willis that we never saw under love. And then they play the Titans the next week. That was a better defense. How did I do this? And they had more switch ups. They were still running some of their core stuff, uh, but they were running. game was really creative. And the past game was creative enough off of that. And then I think what they've told Malik Willis is get one to two reads. And if those guys are not screaming wide open, you tuck it and run. Like we don't want to, whatever you do, don't turn the ball over. We can take losses. We can punt the ball. The punter is just an absolute monster. Like we'll take a sack on third and six rather than an interception across the middle. So he's been very careful with the ball. I think that's been a coaching point. And they've been again, very creative. We've seen some of those things creep up even when love with love under center, uh, but the run game is very creative and then they find very creative ways to work the passing game off of that as well. So, uh, we've seen it for two games. Uh, he came in this past game against the Jaguars. This was, this was one, he played a quarter and a half, no prep hadn't taken reps and, you know, two weeks because he hadn't been starting. And he was ready to go. And they, they had a package of plays. They had, uh, their big game, their big play that essentially won the game for them. Uh, they kind of not worked up on the sideline, but apparently it was not in the game plan. They were just like, Hey, here's a look. That's doing Malik. We know you can do this and this works well with you. We're going to put this in. And so I think that the coaching staff is very smart. Uh, it seems like they've been working with Willis very well and Willis knows how to run this offense. So, I mean, there are, I, we talked about the safeties. I wouldn't be shocked if the ball is put in harm's way a couple of times. If, if the lions, that's, I think that's a big thing is if the lions can stop the run. And again, Packers are very creative with the run game. They got a triple option package under Willis that they don't show you with love. Um, they've got an RPO vertical RPO package that they've got with Willis. They don't show you with love. So it is going to be some new stuff. Yeah. that you don't really see typically from the Packers offense, uh, if they can slow down the run and they force Willis to pass, we saw him in the Titans game. Like he was still, he had like a third and 18 that he's just pinning a ball on a dude 25 yards down the field. Like he's got an arm. He can be erratic. The more times you can get him to drop back in a true drawback, uh, the, the more chances you will be, he will eventually make a mistake. Um, but if they can stay in their game script, like. They want to run it. Josh Jacobs has been incredible to run. The offensive line has been very good in the run game. Um, so they will be content to have him drop back less than 20 times and run the ball 45 times if they have to, like they, they will, they will be happy to live in that world. Um, but if they have to break out of that a little bit, Willis has shown he can do it. I have faith in him and the coaching staff. But he will put the ball in harm's way more than I say more than love. Um, more than love, like on a percentage basis, just, but he's not going to be throwing it nearly as much, but I do like what they do with Willis under center.

Jacob:

It's funny how the offense does run like completely differently between the two, but I mean, it's, it's effective. It, you know, speaks volumes to the coaching staff, how effective that it is when they have their backup quarterback in. I mean, it's been very impressive.

Dusty:

Well, especially again, for guys that have been there three weeks, like then that was okay. Now we've got, I thought they'd have a package of five plays at a full game. Here's a whole bunch of like spinner package. You've not seen since like the 1920s. We're going to run this at you

Jacob:

Yeah,

Dusty:

to have variations off of this at you that you won't, that we, you never saw with Jordan Love. It's, it's, it's wild that they're able to teach that stuff. Uh, it's been, it's, a lot of fun. So I, honestly, this game, um, I I'm almost leaning into Willis starting. Um, they, they seem, I think love said today. It's realistic. He will play, they've been real cagey about that stuff. Even the two weeks that will have started, um, I kind of get the feeling with Willis is starting this week, but I, I just, just the nature of groin injuries in the bi week coming up. That feels like

Jacob:

exactly. Exactly. Okay.

Jason Harwood:

you know, know, like you said, Two reads and you tuck it and run because he, you know, you know, get some positive yardage. So, yeah. Um, you mentioned Josh Jacobs, his stats are impressive this year. I've watched a lot of the runs. I've watched all of his runs that he had over 10 yards just earlier

Dusty:

Okay.

Jason Harwood:

And schemes. was super impressed with that because if you go to PFF grades, your offensive line is not very highly rated, but just liked how they created gaps and like, and Jacobs, the way he was running, of it was out of shotgun too, which I was surprised there was a lot of 10 year plus runs of shotgun. So what you're seeing there with Josh Jacobs and, you know, that we're missing as Lions fans.

Dusty:

Yeah. They're they're run games. Really fun. They'll do a lot of stuff. Um, Like I said, out of shotgun, but they mix up how they do it. They do their shotgun five yards back. They'll do some split gun stuff. They used to have, uh, two running backs back there. They tried that a lot with Aaron Jones and AJ Dillon didn't work. They've revived that package. And it's Josh Jacobs and usually Jaden Reed back there. So you got a, you got a wide receiver back there, but they'll also do like pistol runs out of shotgun where you've got a lot of times they'll have like even under center, their, their running back will be 10 yards back. So they'll have their quarterback five yards back. They'll have the running back. yards behind him. So it looks like pistol, but it's really kind of shotgun run stuff. And I mean, yeah, to your point that the grading stuff on PFF, um, on the offensive line, it's not always great, but they've built this line. Uh, I think one of the reasons they built the way they did is all these dudes can move like Every single one of them. They, for years, LaFleur's dream was, I want to get out of the wide zone world to some extent, and I want to get into more gap scheme, more power, more polar stuff like that. And he never could. They kept

Jacob:

Um,

Dusty:

uh, Rashid Walker, who's a little hobbled. So he's not moving too much. They don't do it too, too much of that stuff to his side. Jenkins can move in space. Josh Myers for all of his faults and pass pro can move. Sean Ryan has turned out a really good mover this year. And then Zach Tom is just a tremendous mover. And so they've got five guys who could pull a, you've got Tucker craft. Who's just most lunatic of the lunatic tight end. Like just, I guess not the most because George Kittle still in the league, but he's

Jacob:

Yeah.

Dusty:

tick tick behind that. But that man wants to hit people. And then you've got, even they'll run some two back stuff. one back at a split gun where Josh Jacobs will be a lead blocker. And then you've got Jaden Reed or bow mountain with the ball running a sweep. They do a lot of, uh, like when they like to hit the edges, it's a lot of pin pole stuff. There, there, uh, the receivers are really good blockers. So you have like Christian Watson. Who for my money, one of the, one of the best, uh, blocking wide receivers in the league pin in the edge. He's, he's lined up usually in a tight split. He'll pin the edge. They pull Zach Tom or Tom around you motion Tucker craft. He's leading the block and I've got Josh Jacobs on the edge with a lane. It looks like old school Lombardi stuff out of shotgun with a, with a tight end puller. So they have a lot of really interesting ways to get to their, to get to their run stuff. They get more creative with it. As I said, under Willis, they will do a lot more misdirection. A lot of, um, Fake counter stuff. They don't do a lot of designed runs with Willis, but they fake a lot of designed run stuff with Willis. So you get a lot of kind of this, this, this counter stuff, whether you're sending the running back through where their polars just were, uh, they, they just a very creative scheme. I think they have for running something on the floor has been trying to get to for. I mean, four years now that finally seems like this year is really coming to fruition and you got the entire team bought in and, and for their flaws in pass pro, I do think they're a little weaker in past, bro. All these dudes can move. So you don't know when they're pulling, you're not entirely sure what side they're going to. Uh, you don't know if it's a run or a pass cause all those guys can pull a lot of misdirection. It's, it's been, that's been my favorite part of the Willis stars has just been, all right, what's this run game going to look like? And they've got the dudes that do it. And it seems like everyone's bought in. It's, it's been, It's been a lot of fun. And that does seem like how they're going to lean into. Now we'll say against Titans, that second game will have started.

Jacob:

Silence.

Dusty:

came out with a pinpoll. Look the entire defense bit. And then they hit Jaden Reed going out, leaking out the other way for like 30 yards. So they're very good at like looking at like leaning against their tendencies as well, uh, with this run game stuff, but it's been, yeah, they've been very creative. Um, all those guys really strong at the point of attack. And I think, I think Tucker craft is probably central in some of that evolution, uh, this year.

Jason Harwood:

So what you're saying is we need to, you know, get Matt LaFleur out of the division is what you're saying. If we want to have success. I don't.

Dusty:

Yeah, I think that's probably true.

Jason Harwood:

I, our coaching staff is different obviously than yours, just the vibe or whatever. But I, yeah, I totally respect. Um, Madeline floor. I think that he's done, I think he had a good plan in the Thanksgiving day game last year and just took it to the lines right away. Um, yeah, he's, even if the Packers aren't as talented or whatever, I just know that they're going to put up a good game, um, and you know, I want Mike McCarthy back. Can we ask, we have him back.

Dusty:

Well, see, he's going to be looking for a job after this year. So maybe, you know, maybe,

Jason Harwood:

Yeah, that's right. He probably will. All right, Jacob, you want to ask the next one or you want me?

Jacob:

all right, here we go. So we're interested to hear your opinion about this. So the quarterbacks for both of our teams, obviously both signed huge contract extensions this year. Um, so first I guess we'll say, what was your, what was your perspective as a Packers fan? What was your perspective of a golf contract when he re signed?

Dusty:

uh, I mean, I think he's earned it. I mean, I, I golf has his flaws. So I think I got some jokes off, uh, because he does need. He's in a perfect environment right now. Like they've got, um, you know, the skill position players, especially receivers, I think could be better, but I'm on raw is great. Uh, Laporte is great. The line is great. I mean, he, and to his credit, he's been very good against the blitz this year. Uh, but that's one of those if slash when Ben Johnson ever leaves, uh, what does he look like with a guy who's not like. Just just an absolute master of drawing this stuff up. So, um, I think what, what he's done is great. They obviously, they didn't have a plan, like a concrete plan to follow him up. I don't think, I mean, I live in sec country. I watched hooker at Tennessee. Um, hooker was never going to be the answer regardless of kind of what they thought or maybe things they said. So I certainly got my jokes off at, at golf's expense when they, when they signed that, but he's been He's been good for them. He's been good for that team. So I think, I mean, eventually that stuff fades. Um, and there certainly are flaws that you can pick out with him. Um, but he's been what top 15, top 10 quarterback without you pay guys like that. Like he's been. been good for them. I would like to see Ben Johnson with say, not like to see in the division. Like I don't really want to see this,

Jason Harwood:

Uh,

Dusty:

but if you get like a, like a dual threat, a guy who can move a little bit more, I think it opens up a lot more of what you can do. So I think you can be more creative. You can do more explosive with a dude who can move a little more than golf can, but I mean, they've maximized what he can do. He's been great for them in that culture. So I'm, I, I'm happy for him, uh, that, that he got that. And I think ultimately that probably ages somewhat poorly, but for now it's looking really, really good. Yeah.

Jacob:

All right. And then we're gonna, sorry, go ahead. Yeah.

Jason Harwood:

we're going to flip it over. Love signed a

Jacob:

Yeah.

Jason Harwood:

So what was your feeling at the time when he signed that and has it changed, you know, far? I know it's, it's really early, so I don't think it's going to big change, but I guess your personal feelings, Dusty, and then like the Packer nation in a whole, like I'd like to get a gist of what they're feeling.

Dusty:

Uh, yeah. I mean, everyone loves love. Uh, I think there was some, when he, when he signed the deal, we all knew it was coming. Um, that was, that was a big talking point in the off season because of what he did, especially down the backstretch and like beyond that too, they drafted him first round. Uh, they traded up now they didn't trade up. I don't think specifically for him. There's just the receivers they wanted did not fall. That was a Jefferson. Iuke and all those guys. And so they took him cause they didn't think they were going to be a, a, a, a, A chance to take anyone else. They fostered him for three years. They grew him. He came out his first year as a starter, especially down the back half of the year, especially we did against the Cowboys in the playoffs. They weren't going to not pay him. Like this was the best. They didn't have a plan. First of all, if, if he failed, uh, if, if they didn't pay him, they didn't have a backup, um, they, they had, um, Sean Clifford, who as a rookie was older than Jordan Love in his fourth year in the league. Like, so they

Jacob:

Yes.

Dusty:

not a realistic plan. Uh, so like. It was all going to be okay. They're going to pay him. It's going to be big money. Um, I certainly, I was excited. Um, I will say, you know, a little nervous just because of what he did down the back half was so good. You knew it wasn't going, it couldn't be that good all the time. That being said, if you watched him, cause I watched him at college. And then kind of all through what little you could see if his career, you could see he put in the work. Like he was in of spread, Utah state, zero footwork, zero real reads. It was all like, that man is open. I will throw it to that man. It was all like side adjust stuff. Uh, there was no footwork. He had the first year was the COVID year. He couldn't really do a whole lot there. And then you watch him when he came in against the Eagles the previous year. And like, he knows what he's doing. Like eyes are in the right place. Footwork is great. Yeah. This is a guy who will probably take chances. Uh, and he does, but ultimately like the process is good and he will be good more often than not the going rate for quarterbacks. I'm fine paying a guy like that. Now he's not been, I will say he's not been as good this year in terms of like efficiency. Some of those are a little off because there have been quite a few drops. Uh, Wicks and Reed have had just bricks for hands at times. Dobbs will have the occasional drop. but I also think they still lead the league in explosives. Like, and that's almost at this point where I'm living at this point in the league is a. They're going to force you to run at this point. Teams are like, we'll sit back. That's cool. Sit back. We'll see if you get bored running six times a game, you have to take some chances to create explosives. And he's doing that now to his detriment. Sometimes I think he hunts those a little bit, but I want to, I'd rather have a guy like that with that mindset than a guy who's just going to throw five yards every single time. So, um, I, I think, I mean, just, just general. Consensus of Packers fandom. I think everyone was thrilled when he signed it, not just for what he gave you in that cow, everyone's come off the high of the Cowboys game. We forget the Niners game happened, uh, which was not all on him. Uh, but everyone was happy cause he just, he seems like a good dude. He'd sat there for three years behind Rogers. You never heard a peep out of him. He seems like a legitimately good person. We want to see him. We want to keep him in green Bay. When I see him get paid, I think there's been a little, uh, little nervousness Among some people, but I think most people are still on board with, with who he is and what he's doing. What does we live with far if this guy wants to sling and throw the occasional interceptions, sometimes it's going to look bad and then sometimes it's gonna look really, really good. So I think at this point, um, especially after that got the big money and now we all just laugh at deck, uh, they grow fine with a lot of contracts at this point. Yeah.

Jason Harwood:

Trevor Lawrence signed a big contract too, so, you know, you got that one to laugh at a little bit too, man. Oh, man.

Dusty:

I was going to say, we just, but look at them laugh at them. Don't look at us. Look at them.

Jason Harwood:

I'm sorry. I was just surprised, I guess, from the angle of how the Packers usually, you know, they're not big players. You know, chance takers, uh, they hardly ever spend a free agency. And then they go out, you know, they get Josh Jacobs and cut ties with Aaron Jones and then they, you know, really, I mean, you're paying it might, you know, from my perspective, you're paying, you know, love based on the last half of last season, and it was a really good last half of last season. But essentially that's like. Ten games that you're paying him. You're that's a lot of money and for the Packers They don't they're not they don't take a lot of risks with that kind of stuff. So I was surprised that they did that Yeah

Dusty:

And so what looks like a lot of money now in two years, I'll be like, he's the 15th highest paid quarterback in the league. Like, okay. All right. Fine with that now. So I think eventually it all evens out. I think they do hope for really big things from him. And it's just, it's been the injuries and some of the interceptions been a little rocky this year, but again, I think lead the league in explosiveness. Um, he runs the offense. Well, when he's out there, I think overall there needs to be more consistency with, uh, Some of the receivers and everything as well to kind of help each other out. And I think it all evens out eventually, but yeah, it's been rockier than you might hope this first half of the season.

Jacob:

that's kind of what we had mentioned about the golf contract when it first happened to is like, just give it a couple months, give it one season, and then he'll, you know, he'll be so far down the line that it won't seem like such a big contract anyway.

Jason Harwood:

Right.

Jacob:

it didn't take long for him to drop down. So,

Dusty:

No, I kind of forgot that he got paid a whole lot of money to be honest with you. Like I was like, what a year ago, two years ago. And there's been a whole, like so many bigger deals since then. Cause it was Tua and Love like in the same week and then DAC signed. And I just, they all just blow past me at a certain point. Yeah.

Jason Harwood:

do, yeah, they just pile up, you know, and the way quarterback, I mean, it happens with every position, but quarterbacks, you know, it's just the next, it's the next man up. He's going to get, he's going to get paid. The market value. And I mean, as a team, you're kind of stuck. I mean, with your, if you're in that position where like, I think the Jaguars are kind of stuck. I mean, you're not going to move past Trevor Lawrence. Are you happy that you're paying him as much as you are? Especially after, you know, getting two wins, uh, this far in the season. You're it's crazy.

Dusty:

Yeah.

Jason Harwood:

right,

Jacob:

yeah, I wonder what that negotiation looks like. Cause I mean, as a team, you're trying to like, you know, figure out the value and you're trying to talk them down, but I mean that, you know, they're agent, they, they're, they see what the top numbers are and that's what they're shooting for reset the market every single time, every single year.

Dusty:

agent. Just going like, you've got Sean Clifford. What's your other option? What do you like? If you don't pay love, what are you going to do? Like, you have to give me money. You understand

Jacob:

Right.

Dusty:

the fans on Sean Clifford, like 26 year old second year, Sean Clifford. Is that, that's what you're going to try to sell to your fans. Like they, they know what this is.

Jason Harwood:

I mean, love did the sit out thing and that didn't last, well, that lasts like probably just a, like a half a week, right? It was pretty much a, what's

Dusty:

was a little, man, it feels like it was two months. Cause everyone was all up in arms over it. I mean, he was, that's the thing. He was still in camp. He was there on the field. He wasn't in pads, but he's coaching everyone up. I think it was, This feels like a lifetime ago at this point. I feel like it was probably a week and a half. Um, that, that, that he was out there without the deal, but, uh, it was kind of one of those, like this is, we know this will get done. So it wasn't a ton of panic, but it, it, it took a little bit, you know?

Jason Harwood:

Yeah, well love, like you said, love had all the cards in that deal.'cause like, you know, like I said, they have no backup plan and that's his agent probably told him, just sit out for the week and you're gonna get this huge

Dusty:

Oh, and the, the reports kept coming in and it was like Sean Clifford, three straight interceptions, Michael Pratt, two straight interceptions. Like you just see the, okay, that figure is going up and up every single practice, man, get this deal done, man, pay him a hundred million dollars a year. Let's go.

Jacob:

All right. We're going to move on here. So when you look at the lions, what concerns you most about them in the context of this game coming up?

Dusty:

Oh man. Um, I mean, I will say I think it's different depending on the quarterback. I mean, I certainly will say if it's love to your point earlier, I mean, I've had, I've had the, your hopes are my fears, right? Like I think the, uh, if love, cause he couldn't move hardly at all by the time they pulled them in Jacksonville. And I don't think he'd be that bad, but if he is slightly immobile. Like he was at the beginning of the Jags game when he originally tweaked it. Uh, and he can't really move that much. I fear the safeties. Um, love's going to hang some, he will hang more of them if you can't move. And I'm concerned about, uh, branching Joseph back there and, and, uh, Packers defense lines, offense, the run game. Um, I was a big David Montgomery fan, Kamala draft. Uh, I hated. He did that. He went to Detroit. It's like, that's such a good move, man. Like that line, what he is, I mean, his whole thing is like, he doesn't get tackled and now he's behind a very good line with a well designed run game. That's going to be very good for them. And it is. So the Packers have been better. I think they're 12th and DVO a run defense when they've been traditionally. Bottom five under Joe Barry. Uh, so they've been pretty good run game. Uh, but that being said, more than, uh, I was just asked this question, uh, over on, on pride Detroit, I think it's probably Detroit. I think they're calling themselves still. Um, and they Jameer Gibbs or David Montgomery. And like, The threat of Gibbs breaking off like a 30 yard run is real, but the threat of Dave Montgomery gaining six yards every time he touches the ball is just such a terrible way to live. Like it just grinds you down. And so I think that the run defense is good run defense is better than it's been for a while. A lot of those guys are bought in a way they haven't been for the Packers, but, uh, the, the Lions run game, I think, I think concerns me even if the Packers defense has been playing well, they just, they've got such a, Good dynamic run game, um, that can also just grind you to dust when they want to. And we've seen that was a game earlier this year when it was just, we're not going to pass the ball in the fourth quarter.

Jason Harwood:

Oh,

Dusty:

We're going to run. I think that was the overtime one, wasn't it?

Jason Harwood:

the Rams

Jacob:

Yeah,

Jason Harwood:

The first game of the, yeah, they had wore the

Dusty:

Oh, they,

Jason Harwood:

The Brimes were

Dusty:

oh man,

Jason Harwood:

and they just, they just knew after the first.

Dusty:

it was the first snap of overtime. And it was like Dan Montgomery got six yards. No one want to tackle him. Like, okay, I know how this ends. Like that's,

Jacob:

yeah,

Dusty:

what concerns me. I think

Jason Harwood:

Yeah. I mean, that's what you're hoping as an offense that you get to that point where in your fourth quarter, you've wore down the team and you have the battering Ram that, you know, cause Montgomery is going to take a four yard run, turn it into seven, eight, because he's going to, the

Dusty:

by the end of the game, he's turning into the 12 at that.

Jason Harwood:

Cause no

Jacob:

right,

Jason Harwood:

they're tired of getting hit, you know, so much. And then, know, then you could pull out the Gibbs card and he can run right past you. So it's, yeah, you're right.

Jacob:

well, you have the rotation, they're still fresh in the 4th quarter, both of them,

Dusty:

No.

Jason Harwood:

we've, we've asked, you know, each game we do, we'll interview, you know, someone from, you know, another team and everyone, we ask the run game is like, inevitably what someone says that they fear the most. And, and it was Hutch for a little bit, depending on the team you're playing, you know, Hutch, but now that, you know, unfortunately

Dusty:

Yeah. Yeah.

Jason Harwood:

predict something, uh, you know, we, we want to be different. So you, you go ahead and pay it. It could be the score. It could be anything that you think about this game. You got anything that you think is going to happen? Okay.

Dusty:

um, okay. I had for them, I have for them, it was McKinney gets a pick, which, which not very creative because McKinney, that's all he does is get picks. I'm going to do, let's flip it around. I'm gonna do offensive side of the ball. Um, I'm going to go. Christian Watson goes for 75 plus on the touchdown, which I don't think he's done so far this year. Uh, that's, I don't care who's that quarterback. Uh, if that's love, I think they're going to feed him a bit. I think they're going to try to hit some of those shots, kind of get love out of there. Don't make him throw the ball 12 times in a drive. I think they're going to try to maybe hit something big and against Willis. They've been cooking stuff up to take shots. Uh, they have read last week, hit on a big one. They've had dobs on some, uh, I think this week could be Watson. So I'll give me, give me a. That's not a huge game, but that's a bigger game than Watson's had this year. So I think, I think Watson, Watson has a nice game.

Jason Harwood:

right. Well, you don't need to be ashamed of that pick. It's good, man. You

Dusty:

I think you're patting me on the shoulder. Good job, buddy.

Jason Harwood:

you don't have to be like Malik Wilson is going to throw for exactly 231 yards and no, you don't have to do anything like that. That's cool. No, man, that's good. Uh, Dusty, you've been awesome. You, uh, lived up to what Jeremy said you were going to be a great

Dusty:

Thank you.

Jason Harwood:

Um, you've like you, uh, before we got on, you said you're going to do the impossible. We're going to like, make you like you as a Packers fan. Um, You, you'd stand out there with Tom Grassi is the only two Packers fan that we could tolerate. Uh, but no, you've been

Dusty:

Good up the plaque.

Jason Harwood:

Um, if you want to hear more Dusty, Dusty, tell them where, you know, tell our listeners where they could find you at.

Dusty:

Yeah. I'm most of my writing stuff's over at Acme packing company these days. I do a few pieces a week, a film review, some number of stuff. Uh, Usually for the previous game. So that'll be up. I do a Wednesday pack a day. We usually do the, uh, Packers offense versus the opposing D opposing defense. So this week, uh, this came out, as recording this today, Wednesday. So we got Packers offense versus a lion's defense. So we talked about that. And then I also do a show over on she said, TV, YouTube, where I break down film with, uh, John Kuhn, former Packers fullback. And so, uh, that's, I'm kind of all around. The place, but generally my stuff is, is at AccuPacking. I also, I picked up Colt stuff this year as well. So I'm over at Coltswire. Um, so I'm, I'm deep into the Anthony Richardson drama as it currently exists as well. So I'm, I'm living life, man. I'm just all over the place.

Jason Harwood:

I'm glad you

Jacob:

All right.

Jason Harwood:

in the middle of this interview and said, I need to, you know, I need to tap out. That's

Dusty:

Came so close, man.

Jason Harwood:

Oh man. Yeah. Have you ever heard of anything so ridiculous? I,

Dusty:

I haven't. And then I watched the play, like he's stiff arm, a 350 pound man

Jacob:

Yeah.

Dusty:

like 80 yards and then got tackled awkwardly. Like. I would have been dead before then. So like, I know it plays different. I've never seen anything like that. I'm not going to blame a guy. Cause it looked really tiring.

Jason Harwood:

yeah.

Dusty:

exhausting.

Jason Harwood:

I'm sure it did, but man, just, I can't imagine a quarterback ever just tapping out, but I guess, you know, it is what it is. So I,

Dusty:

No,

Jason Harwood:

Dusty, thanks for coming on. All right. Welcome back. Hope you guys enjoyed that interview. I know it's difficult to like a Packers, uh, guy, but Dusty's cool in my book. So that, that was awesome. All right, Jacob, it's it. This is the time at hand. What are our keys to victory? I'm gonna let you start off here.

Jacob:

Alright, I'm going to start with the defense of Key to Victory, so, uh, Green Bay's red zone efficiency is at 50 percent right now. So they have 30 red zone opportunities, resulting in 15 touchdowns. We do have a top 10 red zone defense, uh, so I think Key to Victory on defense is winning the battle in the red zone. They are going to be able to move the ball against us, they're going to have good drives where they get down to the red zone. Obviously, we hope that we limit those chances in total, but the red zone trips they do make, we've got to hold them to field goals. You know, that's always a key to victory pretty much in any game, but I think more so in this game than others. It's probably going to be a close game. These opportunities are going to be huge. We've got to stand tough in the red zone here. You know. We're probably not going to score 50 points in this one. It would be awesome if we did, um, but points are going to be a little bit harder to come by and you know, every drive is going to count. Every play is going to matter. It's a tough divisional matchup. Uh, so yeah, key to victory in the defense for me is just making sure that we make those stops in the red zone.

Jason Harwood:

That's a good one. I agree with that. For me, you know, this might go more of Jordan Love is the quarterback, um, as opposed to Malik Willis, but just limit the big play. Make them. You know, go down the field long way. I, I think we can make them make a mistake if we do that, especially Jordan Love. I think he gets impatient and wants a big play. Um, Malik Willis, you know, we heard from Dusty, they limit what he's going to do and then he's going to run. So that's going to be, you know, as far as limiting the big play, limiting a big rush from Malik is going to be huge. So I, I just do what we've been doing and not give up a big play.

Jacob:

Definitely. That's a good one.

Jason Harwood:

Yep. All right. I'll take the next one here. This is a kind of a no brainer, but you know, we need to limit Josh Jacobs. He's averaging 4. 6 yards per carry, if he gets that, then that's going to give the other team a lot of, you know, short second or third down plays. We can't, I can't afford that. Then, you know, teams could do whatever they want with you. So stopping Josh Jacobs on first down, do not let him get a lot of yards, make them, you know, Pass it and make Jordan Love or Malik Willis make a mistake.

Jacob:

Definitely. Agreed. And you know about Josh Jacobs, he does, he is 4th in the league in rushing yards. He's got 607, 667 rushing yards right now. But he leads, leads the league in carries. He's got 145 carries this year. They're gonna run the ball, they're gonna keep feeding him, and they're gonna hope for these bigger plays. You know, that helps out with his average when he's busting out, you know. 15, 20 yard runs ever so often. They're going to find holes. They're going to, you know, attack that we do have a very good run defense so far. I don't know that we really played a team with this kind of rushing attack yet. So it's going to be a big test for us as well.

Jason Harwood:

I expect him to get his yard to get some rushing yards. I expect this is to be a tough challenge. One thing that we'll say when you, when you, you know, a lot of the times teams attack the lines on the perimeter with the rushing game, majority of Josh Jacobs rushes come interior. Um, their blocking scheme is really complex. And as Dusty said, they shift people around, they pull people. So we just had to be. You know, prepared for a complex blocking scheme, but I, you know, if they're going to try to go out the front, out the middle, that means going through a lean and going through DJ reader, which

Jacob:

Exactly.

Jason Harwood:

like those chances. So, you know, if we could, if they, if they had that plan to not go around the perimeter, then, you know, You know, DJ reader, if you can't get the tackle, tie up those linemen, uh, enough for our linebackers to get in there and do their stuff.

Jacob:

Exactly be a huge game for Jack Campbell to Anzalone. I mean, it, you know, I'm excited to see, you know, it's a real test. I just want to see, you know, how well we perform.

Jason Harwood:

Yeah. Malcolm did not practice today because of the ankle. I don't think he's going to play, uh, this week, which is a shame. Cause this has been a good game for Malcolm. You know, we need our linebackers, uh, especially with Hutch being out. The linebackers are just super important right now for us.

Jacob:

Yeah. And Malcolm Malcolm has stepped up. He's actually been playing at a very high level. I don't have in front of me, but I think pro football focus even has him rated, you know, kind of high

Jason Harwood:

Uh, yeah,

Jacob:

a man Campbell. I mean, every opportunity he gets, he does, you know, he does what's asked of him. He knows his role. He knows the scheme like he, you know, He is a valuable player,

Jason Harwood:

yes. Oh, for sure. I mean, uh, the lion, he's a starting caliber linebacker. I mean, he just have, you know, he's just gotten more snaps now because Barnes is out, but he is a starting caliber linebacker. He doesn't have a lot of the physical traits that maybe you'd

Jacob:

exactly,

Jason Harwood:

speed,

Jacob:

the limitations,

Jason Harwood:

But his anticipation, his understanding of the play, his football IQ is, is up there. And so that makes him be able to play faster than, you know, then his body would normally allow because he he's in good position to make plays.

Jacob:

for sure.

Jason Harwood:

Do you have any other, uh, keys to victory, Jacob?

Jacob:

Yeah, my offensive key to victory that I have in here is, uh, you know, keep grinding. I know I mentioned it just a minute ago, but they, they have a top ten rush defense right now. We have two of the top ten running backs in the league. We're able to rotate them, they're able to stay fresh. I think it's gonna be hard for them to stop our offense, we're gonna be chipping away and wearing them down. You know, maybe we have a shootout on our hands, maybe it's a little bit closer, but we just have to stay focused, keep doing our thing. You know, week in and week out, that's what we've been doing, that's who we are. We're gonna try to attack with a run game. I don't want us to come out forcing the pass and going back to back to back passing plays. You know, we did that a couple times against the Titans and it really did not work out for us early on. I think if we are going back to back passing plays in a row, I would like to see us mix in some more screens or just shorter route concepts to try to make it a little bit quicker. Getting the ball out for golf. Some of these, you know. You know, trying to let the plays develop downfield a little bit, and I think we didn't mix up that, we didn't mix up those play calls very well. I don't know what happened with that last week, so they were just back to back, they were getting the pressure on Goff. So, overall, you know, I said before the season started, and I feel more confident actually now that our best beats them at their best. So, you know, are we gonna be able to play our best ball here in week 9? We've been on a roll, they're on a win streak too, you know, it's, it's gonna be a great game. But I think if we keep grinding and keep doing our thing with the run, that we are gonna be able to come out on top.

Jason Harwood:

Yeah, I agree. My my key of victory is go along that stay the course on offense, run our

Jacob:

Yes.

Jason Harwood:

and limit turnovers. It's awesome. The Packers are, you know, they, the lead the league in turnovers. We just, and they're safe. It's very similar to ours. Both teams have 10 interceptions. We're second to both. We're second to the Vikings, uh, with 12 interceptions. So, I mean, all these teams just prey on you, making a mistake, especially the safety play. So golf, you know, we're playing outside. Um, we'll get into this a little bit later. We'll. the weather's not going to, might not be great on Saturday or on Sunday. So we have to be careful about that. Um, so just need to protect the football. Don't let them punch it out because, uh, they have Packers have recovered the most fumbles in the league out of everybody. So you, they are going to attack just like the, you know, branch of meek punching the ball out the Packers do the same thing. So, I trust DMO and Gibbs to hold on the ball, but it's going to be on our wide receivers to hold on the ball too.

Jacob:

For sure.

Jason Harwood:

All right. So a couple of things that I found interesting that may or may not come into play here, you know, if Jordan Love gets a start. struggles against the Blitz. has, he is 30th in the league when, Blitz compared to 3rd in the league, passer rating wise, when not Blitz. So Jordan Love's in there. expect us to Blitz. the last two weeks without Hutch, the blitz numbers have drastically increased. Uh, you know, to, to get any sort of pass rush, we've been blitzing a lot more. So I expect that to happen if Jordan loves in. If Malik Willis is in, I'm not sure how they handle that because of the, the running and scrambling abilities that

Jacob:

Um, Uh, Um, Uh, Um, Um, Um, Um,

Jason Harwood:

that he's got two reads, and if they're not there, then he's taking off, the other thing that I kind of alluded to in the Keys to Victory is the weather. It looks like it's going to be raining. This will be the Lions first outdoor game. Golf traditionally may have not played its best football outside, so this will be interesting how this game, how they, how this game goes. What do you think about the weather factor, Jacob?

Jacob:

I'm actually not as concerned about the weather just because of the way the run game has been. I think we rely heavily on them anyway to try to open up the game. Uh, you know, other chances golf's been way more careful of, uh, you know, taking shots and everything this year is protecting the ball a lot better. So I'm not as concerned about the weather. I don't think the game plan changes too much regardless of whether it's raining or not.

Jason Harwood:

Yeah, I don't think the game plan changes too much either, but the ball slippery, you got two teams that like to punch the ball out. You could see a turn, a turnover becoming a factor, not just interception wise, but you know, fumble

Jacob:

Yeah. It could get weird. Multiple fumbles on each side.

Jason Harwood:

I know they, then I have a defender get it and then, you know, someone punches out from the defender and then, you know, it's get a double turnover on one play

Jacob:

Okay.

Jason Harwood:

couple of times. Yeah. That'd be funny. all right. We had this, we introduced this game last week. It's a demo and Gibbs. I believe you took David Montgomery. I took Gibbs. So obviously I won, so I get to

Jacob:

Yep.

Jason Harwood:

week. Um, I'm going to pick demo this time. I think this game is set up for demo to have, um, the advantage, especially if it's sloppy, he's going to just, you know, make people miss. And I, I, I'll take, I'll take demo.

Jacob:

I'm fine with that. Any given Sunday, man.

Jason Harwood:

Oh, I know. I know. know. I'd, I'd like to see, you know, Gibbs each week. Good. It gets a longer run, you know, it was 45 yards and then 70. So you're going to get like an 80 or an 85 yarder this week.

Jacob:

There you go.

Jason Harwood:

That would

Jacob:

the way up to 99, is that what we're saying?

Jason Harwood:

Yep. All the way to 99.

Jacob:

Do you know, do you have it in front of you, how many carries Gibbs and Montgomery both have this year?

Jason Harwood:

Oh, I can get it. I got, uh,

Jacob:

No, I've got it. I didn't know if you knew how close they were.

Jason Harwood:

I don't.

Jacob:

Cause you know, they, they take turns on these drives and everything like that, uh, just to keep each other fresh and everything. But, uh, If you had to guess, how many, what, what do you think the difference is in the amount of carries for both of them?

Jason Harwood:

I think Montgomery's carried it like at least 10 percent more than, than Gibbs. Yeah.

Jacob:

It feels that way. Yes. So, uh, Gibbs has carried the ball 92 times, and Demo's carried it 93.

Jason Harwood:

really,

Jacob:

Yes. They're that close.

Jason Harwood:

wow. I would have thought.

Jacob:

Gibbs does have 591 yards to Montgomery's 415. Demo's got 7 touchdowns, Gibbs has 6.

Jason Harwood:

Yeah, I think they're both if they, if they stay healthy, they both get a thousand this year having

Jacob:

Yes.

Jason Harwood:

thousand yards each, especially in today's football. That's crazy. I mean, that would

Jacob:

Right.

Jason Harwood:

back in the day, but man, know, in today's football, they have 2000 yard backs that that'd be awesome.

Jacob:

Hey, they're trending that way. That's definitely attainable.

Jason Harwood:

I agree. All right, let's get on to grit picks.

Jacob:

It's not, not too interesting with the picks last week, just because we picked all three the exact same.

Jason Harwood:

Mm

Jacob:

Thursday night football Vikings at Rams, we both picked the Rams to beat the Vikings, and that was true, they did beat them. Uh, Sunday night football Cowboys at 49ers, we both picked the Cowboys in this one. The Cowboys came out flat. Tried to come back at the end. They were not able to do it. And the 49ers won. And then Giants versus Steelers, uh, in Pittsburgh. We both, we both picked the Steelers. The Steelers did handle the Giants, uh, pretty well there. Entertaining football games, though, for the primetime games, for the most part. Did you get a chance to watch most of them?

Jason Harwood:

Yeah, I watched, uh, and we were recording during the giant sealers, so I, I got to see a little bit here and there. Cowboys 49ers. Yes. And then, yeah, I watched, I was glued for the Vikings Rams just because of the.

Jacob:

Right.

Jason Harwood:

thing. And, you know, both the Vikings and the Cowboys caught the Honolulu flu as they're calling it now. I don't know if you've seen that name,

Jacob:

Yeah. Yeah.

Jason Harwood:

you know, every team that's played the lions, they've lost the following week, this season and the Cowboys even had a bye week in between, and they still lost the, you know,

Jacob:

Right. I don't know if that counts for the buy, but hey, well, we'll still take it.

Jason Harwood:

I'll

Jacob:

We beat them so bad they needed two weeks to recover.

Jason Harwood:

right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we did beat them so bad. I mean, we, we, we killed them. We'll see. So, uh, yeah. So as of right now, Jacob is 16 and seven on 13 and 10. So still three behind.

Jacob:

Still close.

Jason Harwood:

We'll see if we pick different teams now. So week nine, uh, coming up here, Thursday night football, we're recording this on Wednesday night. So tomorrow's game Texans at jets. You want to go or you want me to go?

Jacob:

I can go first.

Jason Harwood:

All right.

Jacob:

Uh, Texans at Jets. They're in New York. The Jets are favored by two points in this one. Really close point spread. The Texans receiver room has really been affected by injuries. The Jets are also tanking hard, and they desperately need a win in this game. I actually think this is probably going to be pretty entertaining, but I, I want and believe that the Texans are going to beat the Jets in this one. I would really like for Houston to beat them.

Jason Harwood:

I'm going with the Jets. I'm not

Jacob:

Alright,

Jason Harwood:

Rodgers at any point in my life. But yeah, I, uh, we're, we're starting out opposites. I'm going with the Jets in this one. they got to pull one of these out, I think. So I'm, I'm going to go

Jacob:

I think it's over. I think it's already too, you know, we talked about before they even got Devontae, just, I didn't think the locker room was going to take very well to Aaron Rodgers in the way that, you know, he was being public with the media, the coach, you know, Robert Saleh's gone, Then they get Devante Adams, then there's rumors that, you know, well, it wasn't even rumors. I guess it's true that Mike Williams was on the trade block instantly, but then there's rumors that they were possibly fielding calls about Garrett Wilson. That's ridiculous. Uh, you know, just,

Jason Harwood:

Yeah.

Jacob:

I think that they've lost the locker room and really they're two and six right now, right? I mean, it only takes one more loss for them to just, you know, their best players are going to be giving up and trying to take care of their bodies for next year.

Jason Harwood:

So is Aaron Rodgers, the Vikings quarterback next year, does he go down that

Jacob:

Spawn the Brett Favre. Yeah,

Jason Harwood:

All

Jacob:

I would take that.

Jason Harwood:

Yeah. Sunday night football Colts at Vikings. they moved this game. This game got It got flexed into this spot, right? The Colts first Vikings. I'm pretty sure it did. Um, they could have flexed the Packers Lions game into this one. This seems like that would have been

Jacob:

I didn't see that this one got flexed. At what point did this get flexed?

Jason Harwood:

I'm almost positive this game was flexed. Could be wrong.

Jacob:

Yeah, as of October 21st it says they flexed it, uh, the Sunday night.

Jason Harwood:

Yeah. They flex this

Jacob:

Stupid.

Jason Harwood:

so I don't know if the, like Fox gets like a veto over that. Like they can't, they get the whole one game back and they can't flex that. But how did the Packers glambo field Sunday night football? It seems like a no brainer to me, but anyways, Colts Vikings, this game we're talking about what I'm up. So I'm going to, I say the Vikings got, you know, get back on their winning track and they win this one.

Jacob:

Yeah, I feel the same way. I mean, Vikings favored by 5 points. Anthony Richardson's taking a lot of heat right now for coming out of that last game. I don't like the move that they're pulling in right now and starting Flacco. I know the anti registering hasn't been playing very well, but I also know that he also was not a very effective passer in college. So anyone that watched him in college, it's not surprising that he's been struggling starting off this way now. I mean, essentially, you have Hennenhoeker, you know, I would say he's about equal to Hennenhoeker. And they've thrust him into this starting role and put so much more responsibility on him right now. You know, he missed time last year. He's a project, you know, they, they should be seeing what they have in him right now. And instead, it seems like they're going Flacco on the off chance that they're going to be competing for a playoff spot. I mean, you know, Flacco, showing that he can take a team to the playoffs, I don't know if they can make much noise there.

Jason Harwood:

I don't know. He started 13 games in college, brought up, and then you instantly make him a starter. At some point, You got, you know, we're Patrick Mahomes set out for a whole year and I think that that helped him and I don't, this, this rush to start these quarterbacks, I think is, can be detrimental depending on the makeup of the quarterback. So always interesting how all these things shake out, but yeah, some of pulling themselves, a starting quarterback, pulling themselves out of a game unheard of. It's crazy. All right. Monday night football. Bucks.

Jacob:

Real quick, before we get off, were you surprised by the line? Like, in my opinion, I'm surprised that the Vikings were only favored by five at home. I just figured that they would probably be, like, maybe six and a half, seven and a half. I thought they'd be favored by Moore.

Jason Harwood:

I actually, I don't know if the Flacco thing, I think they actually play better with Flacco at quarterback and the Vikings have lost the last two. So I kind of get it. I don't know. I don't know. Well, you get three for being just a home, so they're just saying in there two extra points. But I think actually the Flacco

Jacob:

That's pretty close, right?

Jason Harwood:

yeah. now I'm not overly surprised by that. I think, uh, I don't know. We'll see. Alright, Bucks Chiefs. Who you got in this one?

Jacob:

uh, you know, Godwin and Evans both hurt. I don't see how the Bucks can really be effective without having those guys. This is gonna be a huge test for them. The Chiefs are undefeated right now. They're making moves, you know, they traded for edge rusher Josh Uche, who we thought might be on the Lions and, uh, is not. I have the Chiefs winning this game and keeping the ball rolling. You It'd be nice to see the Bucks upset them, but the Chiefs are favored by 8 and a half right now, and I, I think they're gonna win pretty easily.

Jason Harwood:

Yeah, I think that the bucks are just jury riddled. It's going to be tough. And, uh, you might see Baker Mayfield pop in a few more, uh, nicotine pouches in his mouth because he's getting beat

Jacob:

Yeah.

Jason Harwood:

bad. So, but yeah, I'm going, I'm going with the, going with the chiefs on this one. So we only differ. I can only gain one game on you or you can only gain one game on me this week. But

Jacob:

Right.

Jason Harwood:

right, let's go on before we get out of here. Let's, uh, do the grit guarantee.

Jacob:

My guarantee this week is that we are going to win the turnover battle.

Jason Harwood:

Okay.

Jacob:

So I'm not sure, you know, not guaranteeing or saying by how much or how many turnovers, depending on the weather and everything like that. Um, but I'm just gonna say that we come out ahead of the turnover battle.

Jason Harwood:

All right. Well, mine is turnover related, but mine is, I think there's going to be three or more turnovers in this game. I think there's going to be a lot of turnovers.

Jacob:

Okay,

Jason Harwood:

Um,

Jacob:

want turnover.

Jason Harwood:

well, yeah, just the weather and, you know, just these are ball hawking safety. So I, you know, I think that we're going to, we're going to see some turnover. So three or three or more on this one. so we'll see, um, my great guarantee from last week, we still don't know. Cause, uh, as of right now, we have not made a trade. Hopefully that

Jacob:

How long do we get to keep this thing going?

Jason Harwood:

I know, exactly. Well,

Jacob:

Technically, you said a week. It's been a week.

Jason Harwood:

I said the week after the game, I got all the way up until Sunday, but if they don't make it by tomorrow, it's probably not going to happen. So, um, before we head out of here, I want to give a shout out. Um, we asked last week for some feedback that actually happened today while we were recording this podcast. I just happened to see it. So I want to give a shout out to UP Dan. Uh, he says, Hey, I appreciate your podcast. Just wanted to comment that my biggest concern right now isn't a Hutch replacement, it's Decker giving up really bad sacks two weeks in a row. Golf is going to get hurt if we can't get a game straight. Anyways, thanks for putting up the podcast out. So that's UP Dan from Houghton, Michigan. What's, what's your thought on the whole Decker situation? You want to comment on that?

Jacob:

Oh, well, I mean, I guess he, he has valid concern. He did get beat a couple of times that Tennessee game is pro football focus. Rating is actually, he's ranked 47th in the league right now and, uh, his past blocking. So he has been kind of up and down. Don't know if he's just, uh, you know, dealing with injuries or what really could be the case right now. I'm not worried about Decker. He's a veteran on the team. Uh, I think he's, you know, he's gonna get it together. He's gonna be able to withstand. Are you concerned, uh, so far?

Jason Harwood:

I don't like it. Um,

Jacob:

Right.

Jason Harwood:

not like overly concerned about it. Well, you know, see. I mean, Goff's been lucky. He's fumbled a few times and just, you know, it's fall,

Jacob:

Yeah, right.

Jason Harwood:

I, so, I mean, that would be a bigger deal if he's fumbling and we're giving the ball up. That's my concern is that, you know, that those sacks will turn into turnovers. offense is so good that, you know, even if we don't get it on, you know, we get sacked out of a drive or whatever, or, you know, I still feel we're going to score. Um, didn't like how the Titans game started out. Cause that, you know, those two sacks right in a row that was, you know, till we got out of hand, I was like, Ooh, I don't like how this game is starting. So I don't really like that aspect, but I'm not overly worried about it. Taylor Decker a good veteran. He's I know he's gonna put in hard work. We're gonna he'll write the ship. I'm not worried about that, but

Jacob:

For sure. He's allowed 5 stacks and 15 pressures. So, I mean, that's more than we're accustomed to. That's way more than we would like, but I think we'll be okay.

Jason Harwood:

yeah, no, I think we will too. It's a valid concern though. And, uh, thanks to UP Dan. Um, know, it's, he's a little more worried about that than the, the Hutch injury, so I, that, oh man.

Jacob:

I don't know. I don't know that I'd worry about that more than the Hutch injury, but they're both cause for concern, I would say.

Jason Harwood:

Well, I think from this point, if you do the, you know, forward looking only the Hutch injury, you can't do anything about it. Whereas the Decker thing, yeah, that's a constant thing that's happening. Yeah. I guess I could be worried about that, but. We'll see. I expect that Decker is going to put his work in. He's going to do his job on the, um, you know, we'll get it worked out. And if not, then we start chipping and helping out on that side and doing what we need to do. All right, Jacob, you're feeling better. So that's good. We don't know if the stone's passed, but we're feeling better. So that's,

Jacob:

I'm gonna have to pray.

Jason Harwood:

You're

Jacob:

Much better than the last time we recorded. It

Jason Harwood:

you're not a zombie this podcast, you know, you're, you're feeling a lot better. So felt so bad for you after we got done recording. Cause I was like, Oh man, he is just out of it.

Jacob:

was a struggle,

Jason Harwood:

it

Jacob:

but I made it.

Jason Harwood:

You did, you did. Uh, appreciate your diligence and help and uh, doing this thing. So, all right, I think we got one thing to say. Go lions!

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