E40: "Biting Re-Caps" Grittiest Show on Turf - Week 11: Lions vs Jaguars

In this episode of Biting Recaps on Talking Grit, the hosts discuss their game day superstitions, including specific clothing habits like wearing lion socks and hats. They review the Detroit Lions' dominant victory against the Jacksonville Jaguars, highlighting key performances from players like Jared Goff, Amon-Ra St. Brown, David Montgomery, and Jameson Williams. The episode dives into the Lions' strong offensive and defensive strategies, mentioning impressive plays, injuries, and the team's overall success this season. 

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Chapters

• 0:00 Intero
• 1:21 Game Day Rituals
• 5:26 Overall Thoughts
• 30:37 Special Teams
• 32:40 Defensive Standouts
• 46:05 Offensive Explosion: Record-Breaking Yardage
• 49:03 Jared Goff's MVP-Caliber Game
• 1:02:34 The Grittiest Show on Turf
• 1:04:32 Grit Guarantees and Final Thoughts

Transcript

Jason Harwood: 0:41

welcome to another episode of biting recaps here at Talking Grit. I'm

Jacob: 0:45

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right.

Jason Harwood: 1:04

was about to head out the door. And I realized I'm not wearing my lion socks. And I know that we've talked about this before. You are super stitious. I'm little stitious. I did, I thought about you and I was like, Jacob's gonna be pissed if I don't put on my lion socks. So I went back in, changed, put my lion socks in. So my question is, what are your game day superstitions?

Jacob: 1:26

Jason, if we lost, I don't want to hear anything like that, that you did differently to cause it. Cause I will blame you. will blame you if we lost that game and then you mentioned your socks, you're dead to me. No, uh, pretty much just the hat. I had this hat that I'm wearing right now. It was the lions like on field. Oh man, I don't even remember. Maybe like 2015 or something like that. It's got the Lions logo with the gold outline. Obviously it hasn't brought much luck in years past, but this is my go to as long as I've got this on. Everything's gonna be okay. That's the only superstitious thing I have is just making sure that I have the hat on. I'll wear a different jersey or different shirt or something sometimes. I've got Lion socks too, but Just the hat. That's the only superstitious thing is about the hat.

Jason Harwood: 2:15

Yeah, I have, I've worn the same jersey, I think, probably to every home game this year. There's a Brian Branch jersey, the brand new one, I got a blue one. and then I wear my lion socks. I do wear like some on top of the jersey, it's different each time, but, For some reason, the lion socks, I felt like compelled to wear them. And I, and again, I thought about you'cause I know, I was like, yeah, Jacob will say something if I didn't wear them. Um, but I went back, took off the socks that I had on and, and wore that. So I was just wondering, um, you

Jacob: 2:47

Well you messed up now because any negative play that happens Are you wearing your socks? Put your socks on now.

Jason Harwood: 2:53

I have two pairs of lion socks, so even if one's dirty, I can wear the other one. So I, I gotta fail safe. But Christmas is coming up. Maybe I'll ask my wife's, uh, mom usually buys me a pair of socks, uh, like a special pair of socks, not like white Hanes or whatever. She'll buy me like, you know, a tiger's pair or something like that. So

Jacob: 3:13

Right, right.

Jason Harwood: 3:14

I'll ask her for some more lion socks. So I don't have to run into this issue, but you know, Monday when we work together, typically I'll wear my, we got. Lion shirts that we can wear at work. I'll typically wear that on, um, you know, to celebrate a victory. And so far that's been nine, uh, nine Mondays of this, this year. So, one was a Tuesday cause we had the Monday night game. So let me

Jacob: 3:36

Right, right.

Jason Harwood: 3:37

but nine victory day after game. So, um, Yeah, I'm just wondering, so any of our listeners out there, I'd love to hear what your, whatever your ritual is, uh, send us a fan mail, leave us a comment on Spotify, us up on Twitter, or Blue Sky, or whatever service that you're on, just hit us up, cause I, I just like to hear people's, uh, You know what they have to do on game day. Um, do you, you know, if you're picking, do you have like a favorite jersey where, or just yet to wear some sort of Lions gear, I'd like to hear what people have to say,

Jacob: 4:10

Yeah, I'm very superstitious, so I'm interested to hear what other people have to. I saw, um, it was actually during during the Texans game. Uh, somebody was on tick tock Twitter and he. He posted a short video. He's a, he was a Lions fan. He's like, I'm sorry guys, my dog, it was like a wiener dog or something. He's like, I always put this Lions jersey on my dog and I didn't have a Lions jersey on. That's what went wrong in the first half. Her jersey's on. We're going to be fine. We're going to find a way to come back and win. And then the video blew up, obviously, after we came back and won that game.

Jason Harwood: 4:44

Yeah,

Jacob: 4:45

So yeah, superstitious things like that are funny. but they're real, Jason.

Jason Harwood: 4:51

They are. I know that you believe that they're real. Um, but I, I guess I am a little superstitious, but I was mostly protecting myself from. Bad, bad voodoo from you. Uh,

Jacob: 5:03

Bad karma.

Jason Harwood: 5:04

didn't do that. Yeah, just, I knew you'd blame me and I probably would never admit that. I would just hold it to my grave.

Jacob: 5:09

exactly right. I don't want to hear it.

Jason Harwood: 5:11

My deathbed, remember that Jaguars game when I did not wear my, they lost on the last second field goal. I didn't wear the socks. All right. Uh, I I'd, uh, confess them. Um,

Jacob: 5:23

And then I pull the plug.

Jason Harwood: 5:24

Yeah. All right. What, um, what's your first thoughts about this game? Is it Alex? Is it something else? Well, what's your first thought?

Jacob: 5:33

I mean, first thought is just annihilate, right? Like that was the goal for the lions this week. We had a bad game against the Texans. We needed to get back on track. We did not lay off the gas at all in this game. You know, even late in the game, the defense was playing physical. We weren't allowing anything. We weren't changing off the game plan. We're playing the same as if it was a one possession game. And even with Hen and Hooker, Craig Reynolds, you know, going out there just was, you know, we still were putting together strong drives. We definitely did not let, uh, you know, the Jaguars being kind of a lower level team and struggling where they're at and everything. We didn't want to play down to that level. We, you know, attributed it. They're a faceless team. Week to week, we're just doing whatever we can. We're taking care of business, you know. And we end with a franchise record of 645 total yards. That's just annihilation. That's just annihilation.

Jason Harwood: 6:27

Yeah, I, there's so much I, know, it's like hard to do in depth analysis in this game just because it was over before it really, really started. Um, but I will say it was. The most complete game I've ever seen the Lions play on both the offense and the defensive side of the ball. I mean, 645 yards to 170 yards. And you're right. They, it was a nameless, faceless opponent. And that's what Jared Goff said. And that's what they talked about in their meetings. They are not playing the opponent. They are playing. going to play down to them. They're playing them, giving them the respect. And they. You know, I have a standard, the lines have a standard that they themselves have. And, um, you know, I related to a lot of things like, uh, for me, I try to relate a lot of what happens in sports world or whatever, what happens in my life, just so that I can give it some meaning or just some understanding about it. And I feel like, um, so I'm in a cornhole league, I do those type of things and I've played, you play some good teams and you really, you get up for those games and then I've had to play some teams that aren't so good. And then. Part of me wants, feels bad for these people that aren't as good. So you don't try as hard. And I feel like could get in that. And then I've gotten that situation where I've haven't, I'm just like, let my guard down and play. And then, their team creeps up and then it's more of a game than you want it to be. And I feel like the lions aren't even letting it, Get to that point. They're like, you know, we're going to play. And, I think Carleton Davis said, these teams, if they want to complain about us playing all the way through, then just play better. And. No one complained about these other teams beating up on the Lions when we were crap. Um, they weren't. And now

Jacob: 8:12

Exactly.

Jason Harwood: 8:13

to say stuff that we're embarrassing teams. No, I mean, we're just playing and we still pulled the starters in the fourth quarter. It's not like keeping them in all day at the end. You, and you know, you can't start pulling your. Players in the middle of the third quarter. I mean, there's still game lab things could happen and you only have a 46 man roster. So it's not like you have like a game day roster. You have 46 or 47 active players. It's not like you have a whole second team. They couldn't even take out the whole offensive line. You only have three reserve offensive line for the five players. So they had to leave Penesula in there and Graham Glasgow. They can't even pull the whole offensive line. So, I mean at some point. You still have to play your starters. So I, um, just, it was a total, like you said, annihilation's a good word. We broke their spirit right away and it's obvious. I mean, things have been different. If Trevor Lawrence was, would have been in there. I don't think it

Jacob: 9:10

Yes,

Jason Harwood: 9:11

the overall outcome of the game, but would have, you know, put up a more, uh, better fight offensively against our defense than what they did.

Jacob: 9:22

absolutely. That was the 30th win in the last three seasons, uh, which is the most wins the Lions have had in any three season span. And there are still seven games left this year. So

Jason Harwood: 9:35

I think Eric Schlatt said something about. this is the third straight winning season and we're not in this season's not even, we're not even at Thanksgiving yet. And we've already guaranteed ourselves a winning season this, this year. So,

Jacob: 9:49

right,

Jason Harwood: 9:50

you know, unprecedented territory for us as Lions fans. If you weren't on notice, recently, then I don't know, outside of the Lions team. World, if you thought that this was a fluke or whatever, I we put up 50 multiple times this year, put up over 40 many times this year. This is, not us just necessarily running up the score. I mean, we're just scoring every. Every possession,

Jacob: 10:15

right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right,

Jason Harwood: 10:21

you know, kneel down.

Jacob: 10:21

right,

Jason Harwood: 10:22

that doesn't care that was in the red zone too. I think I tweeted this or no, I put it in blue sky camera, whatever one I put it on there. I was, I was at the stadium and I was just looking for things that, Um, you know, in the fourth quarter, when we're just winding thing down, they put in Vaki and man, I was jacked when they put in Vaki, I was like, yes, we're finally going to get to see him at running back. He's, you know, he's had that fake pond. He's one of the top 10 special team players per PFF grades and finally getting them back on offense. I, think that he's going to be a special player for the Lions

Jacob: 10:54

right. Good to see him out there. Good for good for him to be able to get work.

Jason Harwood: 10:57

Mm hmm. then Craig had like a 20 yard run or 22 yard run. So that was awesome, too.

Jacob: 11:04

I think it might've been his first round first carry.

Jason Harwood: 11:06

First carry,

Jacob: 11:07

Yeah. Right.

Jason Harwood: 11:08

right up the gut. And yeah, just,

Jacob: 11:10

He was like, Hey, if you guys think it's going to get easier, it's not.

Jason Harwood: 11:13

no, no. Craig's ready. I mean, he's fully rested. He's ready to go.

Jacob: 11:17

Absolutely. Craig's always ready.

Jason Harwood: 11:19

He is. Um,

Jacob: 11:20

So just say the word, say my name and I'm taking it.

Jason Harwood: 11:24

We can bring down the level of excitement a little bit. Alex broke his forearm. Alex Anzalone broke his forearm. That was a tough pill to swallow much like the Cowboys where we blew them out. But at the end of the day, you knew you're, you're losing one of your defensive stalwarts. And, uh, that hurts a little bit. since we've already lost Derrick Browns, Jalen Rees Maven is out. Our linebackers are just gonna, you know, the next man up, you know, we're going to see more Rodrigo, which I'm not sad about at all. And Jack Campbell, probably going to be taking that green dot.

Jacob: 11:59

Yes. Jack Campbell getting better and better every week. Thank God Rodrigo is back. He had another really good game, you know, I, obviously it's a big loss. Um, but you know, like you said, next man up, I, I think we're going to be okay there

Jason Harwood: 12:13

I think so

Jacob: 12:14

and Anzalone will be able to come back, you know, for the playoffs, possibly before the regular season's even over,

Jason Harwood: 12:20

Yeah,

Jacob: 12:20

on how this recovery goes.

Jason Harwood: 12:22

Yeah, I'm hoping that we don't need him at the end of the regular season. Everything's

Jacob: 12:26

Right.

Jason Harwood: 12:26

and then everything goes well. Then we got the first round by that gives him another week of in there. Cause it's a six to eight week recovery. you know, where there's seven games left, so you got, you know, seven weeks left in the regular season and playoffs would be the eighth week, but hopefully we get a buy that would push it off to nine, um, before he would have, you know, be able to come back. He, um, I don't know if you saw his tweet. Uh, that he put out, but I, I'm going to read it cause I wrote it down. I thought it was such a good tweet. So this is what he wrote. He goes, as an athlete, you have a tendency to think, why did this have to happen? But I like to think about all the countless reps, something bad didn't happen. I'm beyond blessed. I'll be back in no time, fresh legs and all. He's knows that we're going to make the playoffs. Right. So, I mean, we're going to be in the playoffs, he's going to be back and we're going to,

Jacob: 13:17

Okay.

Jason Harwood: 13:21

a miracle happens and we get them back, you know, we get to the super bowl, he'll be back, but it'd be nice to have. Ancelone back. And, the thing is that that's, I feel good. Like you said, I feel like we're a good hands, Jack Campbell's. Taking this huge leap and making a lot of plays. And I think he's ready take this next step of calling the defense. We've got Rodrigo in there. Ben Neiman was actually one of the top three players PFF graded for the Lions this week, um, and Dan Campbell shouted him out today. So I, Sheppell have, you know, Kevin Sheppard, the linebackers coach, we'll have this room ready to go and we haven't seen a drop off yet and hopefully that just continues.

Jacob: 14:03

Yeah, not worried about the linebackers at all. Um, I will say during the game, we had another scare for, uh, those of us that were watching on TV. It was, uh, You know, deja vu. We're blowing them out, everything seems to be going right, and then, uh, Zadarius Smith goes down. He goes down, he takes his helmet off right away, he's laying on the field, he looks like he's in visible pain, it cuts to commercial break. God, please no. Why is this happening right now? Please tell me he's okay. Which luckily, uh, you know, cut back from commercial break and he's already jogging around and everything like that and was ready to come back in, but Scary moment there.

Jason Harwood: 14:42

Yeah, I think he was hitting the man parts. So I

Jacob: 14:44

Yeah?

Jason Harwood: 14:45

what knocked him out. And so that'll knock me out too. Uh, but he was back a couple days later, you know, in the stands, when that happens, like, who is it? Who is it? You know, Sarah's got the binoculars. So she's like. She knows what I'm going to ask her. So she's out there. She knew about the Darius Smith before, cause we, you know, talk about the new player edition. So she's well versed. She's like, it's the new guy. And I was like, oh crap. She'll watch him on the sidelines because she, is keyed in on

Jacob: 15:11

Right,

Jason Harwood: 15:19

know, and then the boys are like, he's back out, you know, they're all excited and. Yeah. Everyone loves the Darius come to come to work yesterday with this Rasheed Wallace Jersey. Uh, does he have a pulse on the city or what?

Jacob: 15:31

yeah, right, that was awesome. He's definitely, definitely playing it up, uh, showing that he belongs. City already loves him.

Jason Harwood: 15:40

No, it was, that was pretty awesome. Um, one thing I've wanted to mention, I forgot to mention today lines made a couple of roster moves. Uh, they activated iffy, which you would think, Hey, that's great. He's going to be back. No, Dan Campbell said that he suffered a new injury. It's like a finger injury. They have to put them back on IR. So we're allowed to bring eight players from IR back during the season. A long time ago, you, if your player went on IR, you lost them for the year. You could not bring them back. Now we're allowed to bring up eight players. So we actually have to use one of those eight up to bring Iffy back to put them back on IR. And if we bring them back again, then he takes up another slot. Um, you know, Kaminsky doesn't look like he's going to be back towards playoffs. So I don't think that's going to matter. Now, all those. eight players that's just for the regular season everything resets and you get unlimited You could bring unlimited people back from the AIR during postseason if, if he comes back, then we can use that roster spot up, you know, we're not going to have to worry about one for Hutch for the Super Bowl or whatever. If that were to happen, because the postseason doesn't matter to any of this, you get to bring them back. So if Kaminsky

Jacob: 16:49

uh, I just want to let you know that we're amazing this team, that we're going to make It's been a pleasure. I really appreciate it.

Jason Harwood: 17:08

well wrapped up before then, but, um, we did sign a new linebacker. I don't know if you saw this Jacob, uh, David long from the Miami dolphins, former captain was waived earlier. Um, so the lions brought him, signed him to the practice squad. So. Trying to add some depth, depth to the linebacker group, just cause obviously Alex is going to be out with Jalen. Hopefully Jalen's just out for the four weeks. So three more games and he'll be back. Um, cause I like him as depth in the, in the linebacker room.

Jacob: 17:38

You come out, you like Jalen

Jason Harwood: 17:39

I

Jacob: 17:40

term,

Jason Harwood: 17:40

Reese Maven, but I

Jacob: 17:41

right, right.

Jason Harwood: 17:42

of David, of David Long, because you know, it's a veteran guy. He can get in the practice squad, figure out what they're going to do and put them in there. Even if it's just on special teams, um, you know, it'd be nice to have, uh, you know, another body in there.

Jacob: 17:55

Yeah. That's what I was going to say. Jalen Reeves. Maven obviously is very important on special teams, a very good special teams player. Just to add an element that we're able to put them out there, a linebacker. So, you know, new guy. Good signing, veteran, see what he's got, you know, maybe we can use him while Anzalone is out.

Jason Harwood: 18:14

Yep. So I, I know that you tell like I did, I saw Anzalone on the sideline during the game, you text me that you thought it was broke and that was before even Twitter had like where he mouth it's broken, you know, you kind of figure that it was. And so I

Jacob: 18:31

I just saw the hit. I saw the hit and I was worried right away. That's why I text you right away. Like I, I think that's broke. Brian Branch came with a huge hit and Anzalone had his arm right there. Just, I mean,

Jason Harwood: 18:43

I know,

Jacob: 18:44

I don't know what else it would have been. At that point though, I don't know if it's forearm or wrist or you know, what, what are we dealing with?

Jason Harwood: 18:51

well, two, uh, two broken bones for our players this year, at least that I know of, and both of them friendly fire, um, maybe not so friendly fire, but yeah, you know, Aleem got it. and branch got Anzalone, but when you have a team that's playing hard, that stuff, unfortunately is going to happen.

Jacob: 19:10

Yeah, I don't think the players blame the other player at all.

Jason Harwood: 19:13

I noticed that most of like, especially, um, defensive players, there's a lot of friendly fire out there, just like people getting blasted by their own player. It's hard. You're trying to hit a moving target. Someone moves out of the way and you'll, you'll blast your teammates.

Jacob: 19:25

Happened to the Jaguar several times.

Jason Harwood: 19:28

Well, when you're trying to catch Jameer Gibbs and Jamison Williams, those guys are quite shifty. Uh, I, no, man, we'll get into that when we get to the offensive defense, but yeah, that was crazy. The last two games I've been, there was a Tennessee game at home and then this game and both of them well over by the middle of the third quarter. you're kind of just sitting there going, all right, we'll just play this one out. Um,

Jacob: 19:55

Just relax and eat your nachos, man. Do you eat during these games? That was something I wanted to ask you.

Jason Harwood: 20:02

do I eat during, I eat before the game. I, we, um, don't tell Ford Field, but we bring in our own snacks. When

Jacob: 20:09

Oh.

Jason Harwood: 20:10

Starburst

Jacob: 20:10

Season ticket revoked.

Jason Harwood: 20:12

I know, boom, you're out. Um, now I'll bring in some snacks for the boys. Sarah would sometimes bring a couple of granola bars, but we used to get, to get to the stadium, like pretty close to when it opens. Um, they

Jacob: 20:24

Power hour or whatever.

Jason Harwood: 20:26

hour. So you can get a drink for two 50. So we allow the boys one drink. Um, we bring in water bottle, refillable water bottles. So we, we do, you know, have them for water, but we allow them one drink. Bradley doesn't like pop. So he usually, he doesn't get anything. He'll just drink water, Preston will get a pop. And then I, it depends on how nervous I am. This game, I was not very nervous, so I could eat a regular meal. Sometimes I, the boys will get chicken tenders and I'll just eat like The fries or like whatever they don't eat. I'll just snack on it if I'm really nervous. Uh, cause I just won't feel right. And then I sometimes get a pop, I, even the caffeine in there, if I'm nervous, it's not good for me. I will do it just makes me so I don't

Jacob: 21:11

Your heart's racing,

Jason Harwood: 21:12

Yeah, I don't, I don't like that feeling. And so I've learned that that's not a good idea. Uh, so I've just like, try to pay attention to what my body's telling me. So, but I do eat, but during the game, I might have a snack. I might have like some candy or something like that, but I, one, I'm not getting up and missing any of the game. That, That is a no

Jacob: 21:31

right? Right.

Jason Harwood: 21:32

thing that I might miss is like, depending on when, um, the ball is where the ball's at. If I think they're going to kneel it down before halftime, I'm jumping with the boys up, we're trying to get to the bathroom before everybody else so we can not miss any halftime because halftime is like 15 minutes and I'm telling you what. You, by the time you get up to

Jacob: 21:49

Long lines.

Jason Harwood: 21:50

like, yeah, you're, you're rushing back. So my boys don't like, are just like me. They do not like to miss any of the game. They want to be in their seats, watching the game, which I really appreciate. Um, so. Yeah, I'm not getting up and eating anything and they're terrible. Sometimes she will get up. Like we usually don't get snacks during the game, but the Tennessee game, since it was a blowout, she went up and got popcorn for the boys. Um, which we don't normally do, but yeah, we'll, we'll eat. Um, what about you? Are you a nervous guy that

Jacob: 22:20

Yeah, I know. That's why I was asking is because I can't, I don't eat. I can't eat during the game. It doesn't always like sometimes, you know, I can tell like, okay, I'm nervous about this one. We really need this one. This one's big. Other times. Like, I mean, this Jaguars game, there was nothing for me to really be nervous about. Yeah. Yeah. I just can't eat during the game. Like I can't eat. Nothing sounds good. I have no appetite. I'm just locked in. Uh, but you know, by the third quarter, I'm eating snacks and stuff, sitting here, watching everything just cause it's already over and you know, it's whatever, but, uh, I'm like that for any, any athletic event. The worst ones are when I'm coaching.

Jason Harwood: 22:57

Okay.

Jacob: 22:58

coaching, like, basketball or baseball, like, I, it's hard for me to eat in the morning before we even go.

Jason Harwood: 23:02

Wow.

Jacob: 23:03

Just because I'm so locked in, I just, you know. When you're coaching, you really want the team to do well. You really want, you know, obviously they're kids, you want them to have a good time. But you want, you want the things that you do in practice to show on the field. And you, you know, you want everything to go well, like how it's supposed to. So when I'm coaching, like, I can't eat anything at all. And even tonight, you know, JJ had a basketball game, they're eating popcorn, they're doing everything, I can't eat anything at all. And it's not that I'm necessarily, like, nervous for him, win or lose, it didn't really matter, but I just can't do it. And when the game's over, it's like, alright, let's go out to dinner, let's, you know, do this or that. I just didn't know if that was my own weird thing, or, you know, if you had that kind of too.

Jason Harwood: 23:44

No,

Jacob: 23:45

It's not about missing anything for me, it's just like, I just can't, I can't eat.

Jason Harwood: 23:48

yeah, I'm at my like, are you like that a Super Bowl party to like if it's a teams that don't

Jacob: 23:57

If it seems that I don't care about, not really as much, it's just a distracting thing, but yeah. Like, you know, for a good example though, is like, Michigan, Ohio State. You know, around here, that's a big thing. And uh, you know, usually they have parties or whatever, and you'll go to parties, there's Ohio State fans, there's Michigan fans, or whatever. Usually there's snacks and different things like that. I can't eat while the game is going on. I might eat at halftime. I might eat when the game's over, depending on how it went,

Jason Harwood: 24:23

Yeah.

Jacob: 24:23

I cannot sit there while, you know, it's a crucial third down and I'm trying to eat a chicken wing. I can't do it.

Jason Harwood: 24:30

Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if I it depends on the yeah, it depends on the magnitude of the game for me about the eating. Probably one of the most nervous things was the Rams game just being there and I couldn't eat before that one. Uh,

Jacob: 24:43

playoff or week one.

Jason Harwood: 24:44

game

Jacob: 24:45

Yeah, yeah. Right. Right.

Jason Harwood: 24:58

energy, but I just don't have any appetite is how I would say it. And, you know, I just try, I've learned that I got to drink water though. I have to drink, like, keep myself hydrated because I'm screaming at the top of my lungs and I'll start to not, not feel as well. I will tell you our new seats where we have in season tickets, we're on second level and we must have like a vent above us. Um, that blows on us and it kind of keeps us cool, which I really like. Cause if I'm wearing a Jersey, I was, when I was in the 300 level, it's hot up there. The heats get trapped. You're closer to the ceiling. And I would, I couldn't wear my Jersey during the game. I would just get on, um, hot, but sometimes I'm actually putting on an extra like long sleeve layer where I'm at down there, which I really enjoy. That I can, you know, be comfortable. I can, you know, it's better than being too

Jacob: 25:44

Okay.

Jason Harwood: 26:12

was Christmas Eve. Yeah, that was Christmas Eve. So I was with my family, um, during that Minnesota game. And I, I was. Fairly close to throwing up

Jacob: 26:21

Hello, everyone. very much.

Jason Harwood: 26:51

I have so much care for this team. And now that we're doing the podcast, there's a different level of like, know, if we lose, we're going to have to

Jacob: 26:57

Yes,

Jason Harwood: 27:17

all that stuff. But doing what we're doing, kind of forced me into like an uncomfortable space, which is, uh, I think good for me overall, but, um, it was challenging because when, after the game, I was like, man, I don't want to revisit this. We watch this game and look at for stuff to talk about. But, um, I think ultimately it, helped me go through it. And now, you know, luckily that's the only game I've had to worry about this year of us losing everything else. It's been a total joy to talk about. So, um. Yeah. Crazy. It's interesting to hear about you and the food. I, I, I don't know if I had necessarily predicted that with you about that, uh, at work, you're so cool and calm and collected. So I don't know if I had, we haven't watched a game

Jacob: 28:01

I'm still cool and calm, I just, uh, don't eat,

Jason Harwood: 28:04

Yeah.

Jacob: 28:05

I already told you during the Super Bowl party. Don't talk either. Like, just don't talk to me.

Jason Harwood: 28:10

You know, my fam, we have, I have a certain set of family that comes over on the Super Bowl. It's like my parent, my mom and dad, and then my boys are there. And my uncle comes over cause he likes to do squares. But everyone's focused on the game. There isn't a lot of like chit chat, like other than football talk. So I get what you're saying. Like at a big party, people want to have these conversations or side conversations, people are doing all this stuff. I'm there for the football. I want to watch this. I want to enjoy this. I want to talk about it at a certain level other than. Generalities with some people like you and I could talk in depth about certain things or how we see certain things. I could do that with my boys. Now they're starting to, we had, uh, I'll, I'll share it now because it kind of goes along with the conversation. We were watching a replay on the screen and I'm so proud of Preston James Houston missed the edge on something he cut he overran a running back and he's like he didn't hold the edge and I was like, oh my god. This is

Jacob: 29:09

He gets it,

Jason Harwood: 29:10

Yeah, he

Jacob: 29:11

yeah,

Jason Harwood: 29:11

like he can see like he's he's starting to at 13 He's starting to see just past like Why, why a play happens? Why is it go good? Why is it go bad? You know, it's just, he's starting to see some of that stuff, which is really, really rewarding. Cause I don't drill it in his head, but it's just like, I will replay something and be like, I want you to watch, don't watch the ball, watch this guy, what he does and how it affects the ball carrier or how it affects the rest of the defense. Cause when you start watching that stuff, you could see why, know, when they, Dan Campbell talks about one guy missing an assignment. How it derails a whole play. You could see how quickly one guy not doing his job just screws a whole play up,

Jacob: 29:54

right.

Jason Harwood: 29:55

um, either on offense or defense, someone missing a block on offense, someone, you know, not, you know, wide receiver, not filling out a

Jacob: 30:02

Blowing coverage,

Jason Harwood: 30:03

yeah, just, you know, all those types of things. So I was super proud of him that he was able to see that he's, he really sees it in baseball, like the. The stuff that doesn't show up in the box score. He'll talk about that really good football. So there's a lot more going on. So, you know, as far as one play, 22 people running at the same time. Uh, you know, as far as like seeing and diagnosing that stuff, so it's going to take them a little bit longer, but I was super proud of him that he was able to see that and point that out to me. Um, shout outs, Preston. Good job.

Jacob: 30:35

for sure.

Jason Harwood: 30:36

All right. Good. Uh, special teams. We'll be able to talk about real quickly here. Jake Bates, 54 yarder, 7 for 7 on extra points. still doing, um, still doing great. Um, my hot take of the day is Jack Fox is a bum. He couldn't even get on the field. Why is, why are you paying this guy millions of dollars? He doesn't, we don't even need him. Just kidding. Obviously I love

Jacob: 30:59

Jack Fox and Hogan Hatton both played eight snaps. They snapped and they held for Jake Bates. This was just another spring training practice, you know, training camp session for them. Very easy day,

Jason Harwood: 31:11

This is the second game this year that Jack Fox has not had to punt as far as I remember. Maybe it's, maybe there's more, but yeah, he's a weapon when we need him. Luckily we didn't have to use him at all. Jake Bates is still doing his thing. Looking good.

Jacob: 31:26

right? Right? Still, another perfect game. Uh, I did see, I don't know if you saw this, the last time that we played the Jaguars, we also did not punt in that last game. So it's been eight quarters against the Jaguars, we have not had a punt.

Jason Harwood: 31:40

I think it's like, what is it? Like 80 or we score, I think it's like 80 some points to 20 and we, and we still haven't punted. Yeah. That's

Jacob: 31:49

right.

Jason Harwood: 31:50

insane. Um, yeah, well, I mean, this was the Jaguars worst loss ever, but their second worst loss is ironically to the lions, but that was back in 1995 when they were, I think they were an expansion team or

Jacob: 32:02

Yeah. Right, right. Crazy. You didn't think the Lions are on the top of most people's worst losses list.

Jason Harwood: 32:10

I

Jacob: 32:10

So to hold the top two for Jacksonville is cool. Kickoff coverage was good, we didn't get to return any kicks in this one. You know, Khalif had a couple punt returns, on one of those punt returns, he got smoked like right away. Uh, so, I mean, good for him to be able to hold onto the ball.

Jason Harwood: 32:25

there was another one that he got outside and I thought there was a chance, but, uh, uh, Jaguars end up covering it pretty well on the outside, but he got to the outside. He just couldn't, just

Jacob: 32:35

Yeah, couldn't get much out of it. Still, solid day for special teams.

Jason Harwood: 32:40

Let's talk about this defense defense allowed 170 yards.

Jacob: 32:44

I got a bunch of different players I just want to touch things on. Uh, first one, you know, we weren't sure how limited Zadarius was going to be in his first game. Maybe they ease them into it. Maybe they use them in passing situations, you know, or just give them less reps when the game got out of hand. Uh, none of those things happen though. He played 37 out of 48 plays on defense and he, you know, got the half sack in the fourth quarter. You know, really good debut for him. What, what were your first thoughts on Zadarius?

Jason Harwood: 33:11

About what I wanted. I mean, you know, anybody that was out, I was talking with one of my coworkers today and I don't know if was disappointed or don't know if he expected more, but I just had to remind him that he's not Hutch and he's not going to ever be Hutch. So if you're expecting that kind of production, that's aberration that That doesn't happen with every player. basically did what he averaged with the Browns, which is like three quarterback pressures and a half a sack a game, so a sack or a half a sack. So he's right in line with what we should expect for him. He's a great rotational piece of veteran leadership, all that stuff that we've talked about on previous podcasts. So yeah, it was right in line. Um, his celebration looks much better and Honolulu blue than it ever looked in purple or green Green Bay Packer green.

Jacob: 34:02

Everything looks better in Honolulu blue.

Jason Harwood: 34:04

That's right.

Jacob: 34:05

No, yeah, that was as expected as expected. Good game from him. Uh, you know, he's going to get more acclimated, probably be a little more involved here, but, you know, it was really encouraging that he played so many snaps.

Jason Harwood: 34:16

Yep.

Jacob: 34:17

weren't holding him back at all. They definitely were ready to unleash him. Uh, next player, we kind of loosely talked about the next couple guys on here already, but you know, Anzalone, he had five tackles before going out with the injury. You know, Hoover's recovery goes well and he's back in time for the playoffs, but obviously he's a leader on the defense. So we already went over that, but I mean, Anzalone, what were your thoughts on the game?

Jason Harwood: 34:41

Yeah. Anzalone, just another, you can always count on him to have a salad game. And a lot of the stuff that he's probably doing on defense isn't necessarily showing up in the box score, getting the people lined up, communicating, think what they said is that Jack's going to be able to call the defense and that's going to be able to run fine, but Alex knows what Aaron Glenn is the meaning behind all the defenses. He's, they've been in a lot of these situations many times over, between what they've done in the saints and what they've done in Detroit so far. So like, they have like this unspoken communication, which, you know, Jack is probably starting to develop or starting to see it, but he's just not going to be as in depth with Alex. So we'll see, um, you know, some of the stuff that, you we might be missing with Alex just might show up and on other areas, as opposed to just, you know, tackles for loss or, you know, tackles or whatever, just may be harder to notice what we're missing with Alex, um, from, from the TV or from the sidelines, as opposed to what the coaching staff can see.

Jacob: 35:42

Well said. Yeah, Jack Campbell, you know, he led the team tackles again. He got the half sack with his areas, you know, he's getting better and better every week. So it's time for him to, you know, take the next step here and run the defense.

Jason Harwood: 35:55

Dan Campbell did mention his press conference that, you know, during. Like minicamp and spring and stuff. They were having Jack do all this. So he's, it's not going to be totally foreign for him to be calling these plays. They did this when Alex was out, um, Jack Campbell. It's sitting right with Alex when they're doing all this. So he, you know, even when he wasn't my call in those plays, he's getting himself prepared for, to be in this situation. So I don't think we're going to miss much as far as like jacket and people lined up and everything. I think Alex just has a little more experience.

Jacob: 36:27

Alright, moving on, gotta talk about our safeties. Top two in the league. Uh, let's start with Kirby here. Another great game from Kirby. He had a huge stop in the first quarter to prevent a first down. That was a nice tackle. Good way to start the game.

Jason Harwood: 36:40

Mm hmm.

Jacob: 36:41

then to finish the game, he picks off Mac Jones late.

Jason Harwood: 36:43

Yep.

Jacob: 36:44

He said he wanted to, he said before the season started, he wanted to lead the league in picks. Right now, he's in sole possession of first place. Seven interceptions on the season.

Jason Harwood: 36:52

Mm hmm. Yeah. He's, he said he baited Mac Jones into that last, that last one. And that's the difference that this year I've noticed from Kirby is that, uh, he is understanding the position a lot more and just like, can, he can use his instincts much better and just be in a better position to make the picks. And he just. It's not by luck all the time that he's in these positions. I mean, that one he's set up totally and just let him think he had that space to the sideline and Kirby just jumped in front of it. I mean, the only thing that could have derailed that interception is branch almost

Jacob: 37:28

Yeah, right.

Jason Harwood: 37:29

it got to Kirby. You don't blame branch for trying to get, PBU on that, but yeah, Kirby, it just fell right in his hands. And Kirby, used to be a wide receiver and you could tell his, he's got good hands. Cause he catches that ball and that was difficult. He's going to the sideline. He's getting a hit. He's rolling around with that ball. Did not move. There was no reason for the refs to say that he didn't complete the process of the catch

Jacob: 37:50

yeah, he's kind of fighting the receiver for it too. I mean, it was a great pick.

Jason Harwood: 37:54

Yeah. The other safety, obviously Brian branch, who we just mentioned, it's just all over the field. That guy is just a football player and that hit he had on Evan Ingram. You could feel it in the stands. Uh, you had it up on YouTube, like during the first commercial

Jacob: 38:11

Yeah,

Jason Harwood: 38:12

down that thing. And, uh, yeah, I posted it up on, on social media because it's. That's a, that was a hit. And you know, that play, that whole, that series was great. Cause number one, that was a tone setter. He like, he hit him and it'd be like, don't even think about coming over here. I'm going to

Jacob: 38:30

right.

Jason Harwood: 38:30

He just smoked Evan Ingram. That was a nine yard play. That was a first down second down a meek. Roberts had had a nice tackle. He'd really nice, just flip the running back over for a one yard loss. And then they stopped him on third down. They had to punt. So they had a, you know, a second and one, and we ended up stopping them. And so that branch hit was just like. You know, he didn't allow him to get anything and man, three replays of, you know, the different angles of that one, the last one, it just shows like how hard that was, how hard that hit was that he hit on Ingram. Oh, it's amazing that those guys can keep playing after getting hit that hard.

Jacob: 39:08

Right. Well, I mean, Ingram had to sit out for a couple of plays after that, but, you know, it's nice to see that Branch definitely is not, you know, he doesn't care about the fines, doesn't care about, you know, the possible suspension and stuff, the Packers game. He's not changing his game at all. He's coming through with the big hits. This one was as clean as it gets. Uh, but yeah, he does not shy away from the contact. He's definitely made a name for himself. He's bringing the thunder out there.

Jason Harwood: 39:36

Yeah, it, that was, I mean, he had other past breakups in that game, but he just, that hit I, that's going to be one of my favorite hits of all, all season, because like you said, it's a clean hit. Right. I mean, there's a lot, a lot of those really nasty hits you see are helmet to helmet or someone's getting speared or something like that. But that was just a clean, just a clean hit, hit him on the shoulder and just him back like three or four yards. Oh, that was awesome.

Jacob: 40:03

Textbook big hit. That's how the league wants it. That's how he did it.

Jason Harwood: 40:06

Yup. That was awesome. Awesome.

Jacob: 40:08

Um, but yeah, I mean, overall defense as a whole, you already mentioned Amik had that huge tackle on that screen. Rodrigo had some really big tackles. I'll leave DJ reader, you know, they're plugging up the middle run. Defense is still top notch. There's really something positive to say about pretty much everyone on the defense. They asked to meet Robertson after the game. Um, you know, just about overall how it went. He, the quote on me has, we are a reflection of our coaches. Dan and A. G. tell us all the time, finish your food. They harp on making sure guys don't score the ball on us because we feel like we are the best defense in the NFL. And they asked, you know, about the Jaguars. He said they were just in the way. You know, it's nothing about nothing personal, something about them. But we're we're not going to let anybody score. You don't care what the score is, how the game is going. We're trying to prevent you from scoring every single time.

Jason Harwood: 40:59

Yep. And they, yeah, it was just a total mismatch. That, that was like one of the more, more lopsided games I've ever seen in an NFL game. I mean, those, that looked like a college game where you got a power one conference against, you know, number two and

Jacob: 41:15

Right. Right.

Jason Harwood: 41:16

That's what it looked like to me and no, no defense. They also have Mac Jones in there, which Mac Jones is. looked terrible and even as deep passes were not even close. Even if he had a guy had a step, it wasn't even close. I was not worried at all. And it was clear. I think you texted me in the second quarter. It was clear that at some point they were just throwing it up Terrians way, hoping to get a PI.

Jacob: 41:39

Yes, that's how they want to move the ball.

Jason Harwood: 41:42

and he couldn't even throw it like in play over there. It was a lot of times it was like two or three yards, like out of the

Jacob: 41:48

You know, I'll tell you what Matt Jones was trying to do. He's trying to go instead of over the top. He's hoping that the receiver does a back shoulder. He's hoping the receiver makes a play on the ball and slows down and gets to it before the corner does. And the receivers were not on that same page at all. And therefore all of these balls just look terrible. Cause they were, they were not even close. If you and the receiver aren't on the same page, the ball is not getting there, it's yards away. And, I think the bigger concern for Mac Jones is he did not want to get sacked. He did not want to get hit, he did not want any part of that. He's gonna take his three step drop, and then he's just gonna throw the ball to wherever the ball's supposed to go. It didn't look like there were any reads, any progression, any kind of thing like that. Especially on the deep balls. Let me draw back, let me throw this ball up and see what happens.

Jason Harwood: 42:34

Yeah. Hey.

Jacob: 42:34

You know, a couple We were also rushing forward a lot, just because we don't need to bring too much extra heat on Mac Jones. Uh, so he did have a little bit more time, he did dance around a little bit, but very, very ineffective game for him.

Jason Harwood: 42:48

Yeah, we didn't hit the blitz. There was no reason to, um, to, do any of that. There's no reason to show any of your defense, any, Run a special defense or anything, give anybody extra tape. We just basic, I mean, they, that offense was very inept. I mean, they're missing their top running back and their top, quarter, and you know, their quarterback, Trevor Lawrence wasn't in that game. So, and Mac Jones just looked to be honest with you. Um, yeah, that's the defense as a whole just played really well, which is really solid played through the whole game. They don't even allow, I mean, for the second straight week shut out in the second half, um, last week we needed it or else we didn't win that game this week. Obviously we could have let up, they could have got four or five touchdowns and we still would have still would have beat them. So they, but they're, you know, it's a point of pride. They're playing up to their standard. They're not going to let anyone score. And that's even with us pulling our starters, you know, after, you know, like by the, after the first drive in the fourth quarter, we started pulling all our starters in the, um, secondary. We did pull Carlton Davis earlier. Um, I haven't heard anything. I assume they just pulled him out because of the broken thumb and the game was

Jacob: 43:59

That's what I was thinking, right?

Jason Harwood: 44:01

saw Vildor in there and I was like, why is Vildor in, um, you know, but, and I haven't seen anything about Carlton being even more injured. I mean, I know he broke his thumb last week in practice, um, but it doesn't seem like, anything, he got hurt any worse or differently. I think they were just like, why, why even chance it and have him out there if he's uncomfortable when we don't really need him out there. I

Jacob: 44:25

Right.

Jason Harwood: 44:26

mean, it tells you how tough Carlton Davis is though, break his thumb and he's still going to play. You know? days later, broke his thumb, uh, jostling with Amun Ra. So it tells you how physical the practices are.

Jacob: 44:38

Yeah. Hey, physical practice leads to physical games, right?

Jason Harwood: 44:42

That's

Jacob: 44:42

Let's not take it easy.

Jason Harwood: 44:44

Mm hmm. Yeah. I think they practice how they play. And I think, you know, we can do the Allen Iverson practice or whatever you want to say, I think that that's true. You, you get in a rhythm and you practice, you're going to risk having some injuries, but everyone's going to be prepared to play. Yeah.

Jacob: 45:02

to the kids that I coach, and they all think that it's lame, but maybe it'll stick. But I say, practice how you play. You get better every day. Stupid rhyme, but that's what they think. Like, don't, don't come here and practice and take it easy and you're talking about things that happened during the day at school and you're laughing and joking and you're not paying attention to what we're doing. Like, obviously it's different now that they're professionals, but there are a lot of NFL teams that do treat practice. They've got the music playing, they're kind of doing whatever. Team meetings, they're falling asleep and they're not paying attention. A lot of things that probably happened around here before and that's not the case anymore. We're locked and loaded. Everybody's focused. Definitely.

Jason Harwood: 45:53

Dan Campbell's not gonna let them do it. They're like Amik said, they're a reflection of their coaches. The coaches have high expectations. The leaders of this team have high expectations and therefore everyone else just falls in line. Let's go to the offense. talked about it already broke the all time lions, all time, uh, yardage record for a game, 645 yards. It's actually eighth all time in the NFL. I looked that up. So that's, you know, top 10 game. I was there for, and a lot of it was circumstance as far as to get those many yards. The Titans. Offense look just as good, but they kept starting at like on the Titan side of the field, whereas. In this game, we had drives that were, we had like a 96 yard drive, really easy, but it was just a lot of yardage. And so there was just a lot of times we weren't getting as good as field position the punting or whatever was better, special teams of Jaguars, definitely better than the Titans. And so we had to go the length of the field just took longer. Um, but we still ended up with all touchdowns.

Jacob: 46:55

Right. This was our third dominant game of the season, but this was not like the Cowboys game where, you know, it was personal. We wanted to prove a point, like we were trying to do whatever we could. And it was not like the Titans game where there were a lot of turnovers and a lot of short fields and everything. You know, we. The game against the Titans, we scored 52 points, but we had 225 yards. So we almost tripled our yardage. Uh, we had five touchdown drives of 80 plus yards. Um, two of those drives, we started inside the 10.

Jason Harwood: 47:28

Silence.

Jacob: 47:28

So the offense was just firing on all cylinders. I know, I think Jared Goff is the one that said, you know, we had confidence, whatever Ben Johnson was going to call, we were going to be able to execute.

Jason Harwood: 47:38

Yep. Yeah. Well, I think Dave Campbell said when the offensive line is playing as well as it was, it doesn't matter what they call it's going to be successful. And golf was sometimes getting to a second or third read on that. Jameer Gibbs, 54 yard run that he said that was his, that's his checkdown. So like you're

Jacob: 47:56

Yeah,

Jason Harwood: 47:56

Gibbs and he's getting 54 yards and he almost broke that. That was so

Jacob: 48:00

right.

Jason Harwood: 48:01

gone. Um, just

Jacob: 48:03

A foot away.

Jason Harwood: 48:04

Yeah, just got him

Jacob: 48:05

right.

Jason Harwood: 48:06

man. But, uh, it just shows you how dangerous this team is. Cause Jared Goff said, you know, I'm getting to my third or fourth read and I'm getting a, you know, I'm going from Amin Ra to JMO to Jameer Gibbs or Dave Montgomery, or then you get to. Wright or whatever, you're getting to a quality player that far down. Um, there's just so many weapons around this team. You know, we had Sam Laporta was out this game, miss a beat on offense at all. Uh, it was, you know, just business as usual.

Jacob: 48:37

Great. Same reporter is out. Um, we saw Zylstra with his first catch of the season and Brock Ray caught a touchdown. So, I mean, still. Execution from the tight end room.

Jason Harwood: 48:46

Yeah. Brock writes had two touchdowns this year and I think two touchdowns, both of them wide open. I mean, he's just sitting there just so wide open

Jacob: 48:55

I just forgot about him

Jason Harwood: 48:56

and they do, they, you

Jacob: 48:57

or the play. It really was just taking so long. Like you just caught, he got loose.

Jason Harwood: 49:01

he did get loose. Yeah. So, uh, you know, Jared golf, obviously last game, Texans rough game, five interceptions, statistically rough game. This one was, he was 24 for 29, 412 yards and four TDs. You know, I D I know he was on the fringe of the MVP talk before, but you know, people will forget the Texans game and he'll be back in there. Uh, just one that was a really bad statistical game. The five TDs are going to be hard to look over, but he did win that Texans game. So a lot of times that they'll go to the QB on the best team in the league. And right now that's looking like the lions.

Jacob: 49:41

Hey, perfect. Passer rating for touchdowns. No interceptions led touchdown drives on all seven of his possessions. So he needed a bounce back game. He got his bounce back game and you're right. You know, a couple more weeks like that. If he has, you know, if you take out the Texans game. You know, the weeks, the four or five weeks he had before that. If we say that he has four or five weeks after this like that, I think he's right back. I think he's third right now. Right. And MVP odds things behind Josh Allen and is it Lamar and Josh Allen? They're both in front of him right now. Right.

Jason Harwood: 50:14

rightfully. So, I mean, they're quarterbacks.

Jacob: 50:16

Yes.

Jason Harwood: 50:17

teams, just like Jared golf is. Um, If he doesn't win, they're going to point to that five interception game, but winning that game might. know, he made the throws when he needed to make the throws in that game. And a couple of them were just fluky and that Hail Mary, like we've talked about before. Um,

Jacob: 50:34

Hey, their main knock is that Jared Goff can't run and he had 21 yards in this game.

Jason Harwood: 50:40

It

Jacob: 50:41

You got to put some respect on him.

Jason Harwood: 50:44

so obvious, even before he ran, there was a couple of times I pointed out to press. Then I was like, do you see how he moved up in the pocket? His pocket presence is much better this year. I know we had to work on that a lot. He is just more aware. I don't know if it's like being with his offensive lineman, just another year has gotten him His awareness better about where to move up in this pocket, but he's also choosing to run. Um, I can think back to the NFC championship game when he threw it to, um, Josh Reynolds and they dropped it. He could also ran for that first down.

Jacob: 51:15

Yes.

Jason Harwood: 51:16

like, I don't know if like that's something they looked at a tape and be like, man, maybe you take the first, you know, it's fourth down. You take the for sure fourth down, as opposed to the extra 10 or 15 yards here to gain on the past. Um, cause they could've iced that game, but it's. I said earlier this year, he's looking for at least one time a game to be able to do that. Well, he did it three times this game, at least to get, uh, to get the first down. He is getting down. He isn't taking hits when he runs like that. He's either getting to the sideline or

Jacob: 51:45

Right.

Jason Harwood: 51:45

So I feel pretty good about that. I don't. I mean, yeah, 21 yards. I mean, people aren't expecting it to run and hopefully they, you know, ideally they start changing it and then it gives us more wide open space. They'd be like, Oh, Jerry golf may run. Um, cause I

Jacob: 52:02

If he could just get just a little bit faster, just a little bit faster, they'd really have to start focusing, cause I mean, he is taking off, you saw, uh, Justin Herbert in that Charters and Bengals game, they weren't, you know, Justin Herbert doesn't usually run like that, and he was running all over them.

Jason Harwood: 52:19

Jared Goff, I still think can walk in with a bootleg around the, I know he's did that. I think, I don't know if it was last year's Seattle game. He did that where he just walked

Jacob: 52:28

Yeah,

Jason Harwood: 52:29

still think he

Jacob: 52:29

cause nobody thought that he was gonna keep it.

Jason Harwood: 52:31

to think he's going to do it. And I still think he can, I still think that plays wide open for him.

Jacob: 52:37

He didn't run, but I was just gonna say, Did you, uh, the play where I wanna say it was a touchdown past Amun Ra Maybe it wasn't a touchdown, but Uh, Eric Armstead I don't know if he got off the block or what He's running free, it's just him and Goff back there And he's running full steam ahead Gonna take Goff's head off And it's like Goff just got rid of the ball just in time Where he wasn't even He barely even got to touch him because it would have been, uh, roughing the passer. Did you see that live? Did you think, oh my god, he's going to get crushed?

Jason Harwood: 53:05

No, I didn't see that. Sometimes, sometimes, you know, I'm looking all over. Generally, it just depends. Like a lot of times I'm

Jacob: 53:11

You probably were looking at the end zone because I think that it was a touchdown pass, but just, you know, watching it on TV and you see that guy running after him, it's one of those things where it's like, get rid of it, get rid of it, get rid of the ball.

Jason Harwood: 53:23

He, I mean, Jerry golf, no sex in that game. Really? I mean, he did run, but I didn't feel like. Was overly pressured. We talked about the ends, you know, Trayvon and, uh, Heinz Allen, but they didn't, I didn't really feel like Jared golf was in any real trouble that whole game. Uh, and then he was getting to a second or third read pretty comfortably. Most if he had to go that deep and yeah, it felt pretty good. And like I said, he's moving around the pocket pretty well. It also helps when you have Amin Rah, St. Brown, are you throwing to 11 targets, 11 catches, 161 yards, two TDs. I mean, we don't talk enough about this guy cause he's just so consistent and you could just count on him. He does. He's a technician route runner just makes it look so easy. There's nothing this guy can't do. He is not a slot merchant. He is a weapon and I'm glad he's on our team.

Jacob: 54:20

Yeah, the slot merchant thing kills me. And especially when you see the streak that they have going, 11 targets, 11 catches, like, you know, they're still, still going with it. And, they're not all short, easy throws either, I mean, these are difficult throws, and he's just right where he's supposed to be, the connection him and Goff have is awesome. Um, did you see the Dragon Ball Z celebration?

Jason Harwood: 54:42

didn't see it on the field. I did see the replay. I was like, Oh my God, that was awesome.

Jacob: 54:48

Right?

Jason Harwood: 54:48

And the way Aminar moved, like it looked like

Jacob: 54:52

Yeah,

Jason Harwood: 54:52

got hit with something. And

Jacob: 54:53

right.

Jason Harwood: 54:54

practiced that thing. It looked

Jacob: 54:56

Hey, yeah, they were on their celebration game today,

Jason Harwood: 54:58

Yeah, Dave Montgomery with his peewee dance. I saw that one live. I was like, Oh, he's doing the peewee dance. That's cool.

Jacob: 55:04

right? Hey, demo 15, 15 carries 75 yards, two touchdowns. He also had three catches for 20 yards, another solid game. And then yeah, uh, a solid PV Herman celebration. I wonder where that came from. Uh, you know, was that planned ahead of time? Was that something in the moment? Like what?

Jason Harwood: 55:22

Yeah, I don't know, but I loved it. And just, he is, he is the king of angry runs. I love that guy.

Jacob: 55:30

Yes. Silence.

Jason Harwood: 55:37

pushed him in the end zone.

Jacob: 55:39

Yes,

Jason Harwood: 55:40

what David Montgomery said. He's like, you kind of got disappointed. He goes, I thought it was a lot stronger than what I was. And I realized Pinay pushed me in there,

Jacob: 55:48

yes,

Jason Harwood: 55:49

just, yeah, that was, um, Yeah, he's a weapon, you know, I know that

Jacob: 55:54

yes. Silence.

Jason Harwood: 56:00

wants that to happen. Not going to happen. Never offensive lineman is never going to get offensive player of the year, but it's those type of things that were like, he, he helped Dave Montgomery get in the end zone. I don't know if he gets in without pushing him in like that. So it was, Love it. Um,

Jacob: 56:18

He's not going to get Offensive Player of the Year, but All Pro is what we are looking for for him, and that's what he's playing at an All Pro level.

Jason Harwood: 56:26

yeah, no, there's no way he doesn't get it this year, uh, unless

Jacob: 56:29

You know, they keep putting Trent Williams in front of him, Tristan Wirfs. Now, you know, before the season started, that's what we were talking about. I just don't understand how they put these guys ahead of him. And I think pro football focus even, uh, I forget what he was rated before last week, but I think pro football focus gave him like a, you know, kind of middle of the pack grade this week.

Jason Harwood: 56:48

Yeah,

Jacob: 56:49

And I don't understand why just his impact has fell out there every single play. So I don't know.

Jason Harwood: 56:55

I don't know if they could properly grade someone like him because he's a one of one. I mean, he is doing athletically stuff that no one else can do. And, uh, you know, it's hard to grade those type of people. Players. I mean, that I would trust would be the people watching the film or the NFL coaches and stuff like that. And all of them love Penesual. And that's what I, that's what I care about, you know? So, uh, another wide receiver, Jamison Williams. catches, uh, four on six targets, 124 yards and TD caught that crosser and ran. It was much like the,

Jacob: 57:30

It's like the Cowboys.

Jason Harwood: 57:31

this, that was like Seattle game where he like

Jacob: 57:34

Oh, it's Seattle.

Jason Harwood: 57:35

Yeah,

Jacob: 57:35

Right.

Jason Harwood: 57:35

70 yard. And I was like, uh, I'm in Ross said in the interview that as soon as he saw the safety took a wrong route that he knew it was a touchdown and Jamo took it and he gets around that corner and yeah, it's lights out. No, one's catching that guy. So pretty awesome deal.

Jacob: 57:53

Yeah, exactly like the Seattle game. You get the safety turned around and it's too late, you're not gonna catch him. And he had time to slow down in the end, and with a Marshawn Lynch jump into the end zone.

Jason Harwood: 58:03

I know,

Jacob: 58:04

You think a fine's coming for that?

Jason Harwood: 58:06

I don't think so. I don't, I don't, I don't know. I, who knows they like to find all that stuff. Who cares? As long as it doesn't get suspended. That's all I,

Jacob: 58:15

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 58:15

all I care about. And I don't think that, I mean, I'm not saying you should get suspended or is going to, but.

Jacob: 58:20

No.

Jason Harwood: 58:21

you never know. They have a different set of rules for that guy. Sometimes it feels like,

Jacob: 58:26

Right.

Jason Harwood: 58:27

but you know, the offensive line played great. Tim Patrick ended up getting a catch. I really want to see him get in the end zone. I'm really rooting for that guy to get in the end zone. Um, they did the hook and ladder play again, this time to JMO. They're loving that. They're loving that play.

Jacob: 58:45

Eventually that's gonna come in where that's a fake.

Jason Harwood: 58:47

Yes.

Jacob: 58:48

They're setting that up, that's gonna happen.

Jason Harwood: 58:50

You know, and they'll,

Jacob: 58:52

Because now we're doing it too frequently.

Jason Harwood: 58:55

It's so

Jacob: 58:55

But it's working correctly, right?

Jason Harwood: 58:57

so hard to defend because that's why the fake would end up working so well is because, yeah, you're going to commit someone to the guy that's crossing and then, you know, I'm an hour, whoever gets it, you know, especially if you're getting a speed burner that like Jameer and Jamo running it, you know, you pass a Jameer and then,

Jacob: 59:15

Right.

Jason Harwood: 59:16

I mean, you got that speed on speed and two guys running that fast opposite of each other, so hard to defend. I mean, we got. We didn't, it wasn't a hook and ladder play, but we, the Seattle, they ran a lateral play on us later. And I think I saw a Patriots game where they ran a lateral too. So I think it's becoming more common, but what's going to happen is a bad team's going to run it and it's going to get Blown up and then, you know, teams will be afraid to run it again. Cause it is a risky play. The ball's out in the open you saw the lateral play was at the end of the Patriots Raiders game a few years ago, two years ago, where

Jacob: 59:52

Yes,

Jason Harwood: 59:53

lateraled it and then, um, I don't know what Raiders played, caught

Jacob: 59:57

Jones.

Jason Harwood: 59:57

Yeah, Chandler Jones got it, and then he totally stiffed our Mac Jones to the ground, like,

Jacob: 1:00:01

Yes.

Jason Harwood: 1:00:02

face planted him to the

Jacob: 1:00:03

And then took it to the house.

Jason Harwood: 1:00:05

yeah, and they didn't even need to lateral it, it was like a tied game and they were lateraling it, it was, I don't know how Belichick

Jacob: 1:00:11

Yeah, right. I don't think that that was in the play call,

Jason Harwood: 1:00:15

no, it was not,

Jacob: 1:00:17

especially not. Uh, it wasn't even like a true, like, just toss the ball back. This was, uh, let me throw this ball 10 yards back behind me back towards the quarterback. Yeah, that was just terrible.

Jason Harwood: 1:00:28

yeah,

Jacob: 1:00:29

The Seattle, though, like you mentioned the Seattle, uh, that was actually a nice play. That was on third and long. That was a well designed. I mean, that was. Across the field, one of those.

Jason Harwood: 1:00:38

yep.

Jacob: 1:00:38

that you don't see very often, just because, obviously, the success rate is probably not very high. But that was nice.

Jason Harwood: 1:00:45

Yeah. Well, you don't let the only time you a lot of times before this year, you'd see those places just the end of the game, right? Where it's just a last ditch effort and you're just, you know, trying everything. That's the time of year to the laterals, but you know, more and more teams are willing to try different things. And, you know, Ben Johnson is usually, um, someone to show everybody, Hey, you could do this too. And then people follow suit because everyone wants to be Ben Johnson. we're five for five in the red zone again. Uh, You know, outside of the bucks game, dominant red zone team, so hard to stop this team. They can run it, they can pound it, and then they could throw it too. If you start crowd in the middle, um, and our offensive line is good enough to give Jerry Goss some time to hit it. You know, like you said, that Brock Wright touchdown, that's probably his third read on that. And Brock Wright's just ends up being wide open because it's hard to guard these guys for as long, especially you're not going to commit a lot of resources to Brock, right? When you got Amin Ra, Jamo, Dave Montgomery,

Jacob: 1:01:42

Exactly. There's just too many people to cover. You're not going to do it. And then, I mean, is the answer then you're going to send more pressure and blitz more people because golf's been pretty good at reading that before the snap too. And then he knows the reads. He knows where he's going with these teams are kind of stuck.

Jason Harwood: 1:01:58

Yeah, you go one on one with Amin Ra. He's going to beat you nine times out of ten. He's going to do some, so he sticks his foot in the ground, one way and goes the other way. That golf knows he's going to go and he'll hit him. So I, it's hard. And the way they've, I mean, the way the Lions have built this team where they could just win in so many different ways, bad weather. Great weather turf, injuries. Yeah. Oh, you're going to shut down this part of our game. Okay. We'll just do this. Cause we could also really do, you know, we could pass deep and do this really well. So do whatever you want. We'll, we'll figure out a way to win. You know, the part of the greatest show on turf. Well, this is the grittiest show on turf. That is what I'm naming. This team

Jacob: 1:02:38

Nice.

Jason Harwood: 1:02:39

show on turf. I'm going to name the episode this, um, I put it up on Twitter. I put it up there, but that's what

Jacob: 1:02:45

I like it.

Jason Harwood: 1:02:46

name of this is grittiest show on turf because they'll win any which way. And you're not going to be able to outgrit this team. We're clearly the best team in the league at this point. Um, you know, I know in the NFC everyone wants to put the Eagles up there and I think they're really good competition, but I still think that we beat the Eagles. Um, we could shut Saquon down. We're one of the, probably the few teams that can do that. Yeah. Cause if we give them the playoffs, we're going to hit, you know, we'll have Alex back and all that stuff, so I think we'll be all right.

Jacob: 1:03:14

Yeah, we're one of the very few teams that can actually say, like, our best will beat you at your best. That's what you aim to be. If we're firing on all cylinders and giving you our best shot, we're going to beat you when you're firing on all cylinders when you're giving us your best shot. We still are going to win.

Jason Harwood: 1:03:31

Yep.

Jacob: 1:03:32

And that doesn't happen too often. I mean, there's a lot of comparisons. You know, with some of the greatest teams of all time. I'm talking about 2007 Patriots and all these metrics and stuff as far as like how well the offense and the defense are playing, you know It's just a special season,

Jason Harwood: 1:03:48

Mm hmm.

Jacob: 1:03:49

know, we're in the midst of it right now and we're you know We're not planning on slowing down at all. One last thing I want to mention about the offense I don't know that we did I wanted to mention it earlier and I don't know if I said it or not But uh, we had let's see here We ran 76 offensive plays, and only one went for negative yardage. One of those 76 plays, and it was an end around the Amun Ra.

Jason Harwood: 1:04:12

Yep. Yeah, that was, uh, and that usually works pretty well, but they were definitely ready for that play. I remember that play distinctly.

Jacob: 1:04:19

Right.

Jason Harwood: 1:04:20

because it was the only negative yardage

Jacob: 1:04:22

Yeah, right. That was the only outlier.

Jason Harwood: 1:04:24

We had 38 first downs in this game. Unbelievable. Uh, just an amazing, uh, amazing game all around. Uh, before we head out of here, uh, our grit guarantees. I actually, I had two of them. Uh, we're going to have a play over 50

Jacob: 1:04:39

You went ballsy with two of them, and you hit on both.

Jason Harwood: 1:04:42

I know the Zilster one was the very first offensive play of the game. I was like, all right, I'm good.

Jacob: 1:04:48

Good start.

Jason Harwood: 1:04:49

And then I kept looking at Preston when we were on our side of the field. I'm like, all right, we just need, you know, we got 50 year, I gotta be past the 50 so we can get a 50 yard play. And then the Jamiroquai play happened. And then, um, the JMO play was like 60 yards or something like that. One of them, there was, I don't know, there was two plays over 50 yards.

Jacob: 1:05:07

Yeah. Jamo had that 64 yard touchdown, but then Gibbs, I think it was like a 54 yard catch.

Jason Harwood: 1:05:13

Catch. So I was, and I thought he was going to bust that the whole way. So like we said earlier, so that,

Jacob: 1:05:17

Right.

Jason Harwood: 1:05:18

he got, when, after I saw the yard, I'm like, that had to be at least 50 yards. I was trying to do the math in my head really quick. So I knew I hit it. Um, but yeah, I did that. We did not get, you wanted three sacks or more. We only got one. Um, but I think that was just. Mac Jones was afraid of getting sacked, so he was throwing out of it. So I, um, I forgive you for that one, but yeah, we did not get the three sacks, uh, to hit your great guarantee, but no, nonetheless, uh,

Jacob: 1:05:45

Yeah, he got sacked a few times last week by the Vikings and I think he went into this one saying, I do not want to get hit. He saw Evan Ingram get smoked that first, uh, first drive. He was like, I want no part of that. I'm just throwing this thing up.

Jason Harwood: 1:05:59

Oh man. Yeah. Oh God. That was such a great hit. I'm going to be watching that on, on replay.

Jacob: 1:06:05

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 1:06:08

videos to YouTube, we got some shorts. We got the Zadarius sack, his half sack and his dance afterwards. Got that, uh, Brian branch hit, uh, the. Um, touchdown and dance afterwards the Kirby interception. I think you put up those four shorts yesterday. I am currently working on a highlight video of Kirby and branches best plays this season. I don't know when I'm going to have that up because they, every week they keep making more plays. So I want to make sure to put those plays in there. So, uh, I may, end up uploading two versions of that, you know, during the season, then after the season, but I'm working on that currently. So check out our YouTube channel. We got a bunch of cool stuff that we're throwing up there. Um, some of the stuff that we cut out of these podcasts, I'll put in video form on, on YouTube. So if you want to see that, if you, I know you don't want to see my face, but if you want to see Jacob's face,

Jacob: 1:07:03

Okay. Bye bye.

Jason Harwood: 1:07:14

of new reviews on, um, Spotify and Apple podcasts. So I want to say thank you for all

Jacob: 1:07:19

But I thought the need to come in and talk to you. It's just kind of reaching out. for having me. for having me. And I'm so excited to be your guest. I'm a board member. I'm gonna start right now, uh, with this, like, little bit of background.

Jason Harwood: 1:07:37

or, you know, stuff that you do on game day that gets you ready or stuff that you do on the ready for game day that you have to do, uh, to ensure Alliance victory. I want to hear about it. Jacob really wants to hear about it. Um, just so

Jacob: 1:07:49

Maybe I need to be doing it too. Give me all the superstitions. Like, if I can,

Jason Harwood: 1:07:53

I don't think you want to feel as weird. You want to know that other people are just as weird as you with the superstitions. And so they want, you know,

Jacob: 1:08:01

I'm sure there's way worse than my hat.

Jason Harwood: 1:08:04

I guarantee there are, and that's okay. I, whatever you got to do

Jacob: 1:08:08

Right.

Jason Harwood: 1:08:08

for the game, you do that. I'm I support it. 100%. Um,

Jacob: 1:08:13

Whatever you guys have been doing this season so far, keep doing it.

Jason Harwood: 1:08:17

keep

Jacob: 1:08:18

can think of something you didn't do that game against Tampa Bay,

Jason Harwood: 1:08:21

Yeah.

Jacob: 1:08:22

maybe that's the outlier there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 1:08:24

change it up. So, uh, but yeah, Jacob, it's as usual, it's fun talking football with you. Love me. I'll do this, uh, with you every week. I appreciate all the time and effort you put in, um, to keep this thing going. It's, I mean, everyone that's listening out there, this is not, you know, we don't just jump on here for an hour. I mean, there's a lot of prep work that goes into this. Uh, it's fun and I enjoy it, but there is a lot of work that goes into, you know, producing something like this. Um, and then afterwards I'm. You know, we're probably wrapping up, you know, it's Monday night, 11 Oh seven. I'm we're about to wrap up here. I will probably get to bed around one o'clock cause I'll be, you know, editing so we can get this up in the morning. So there's a lot of work that goes into all this, but we really enjoy it. And that's why we like hearing your feedback because it makes it even more enjoyable for us and keeps us going. So,

Jacob: 1:09:13

Exactly,

Jason Harwood: 1:09:15

so I thank you for that. And, uh, you know, I got to work this weekend, Jacob, I like Colts game. I'm going to be working. I can't really get out of that. Um, So that's going to suck. Um, and we'll put, talk about it at the Colts on Wednesday, but I'm not looking forward to having to work with this got Thanksgiving off. So that'll be great. Be able to sit down with the family, watch the lions.

Jacob: 1:09:35

I see we're gonna flip there. I'm working Thanksgiving so

Jason Harwood: 1:09:39

I don't know how you can do that. I can't work. I don't, I hate working that holiday, especially with lines playing early like that, you know, if the lions played later, then it wouldn't be too bad. Um,

Jacob: 1:09:48

you know it's a shorter shift. We're only open till 2. I'll miss the first half so it's a long halftime show so it'll allow me to hopefully get home before the second half starts.

Jason Harwood: 1:09:58

you're going to miss your boozy man. Shaboosie.

Jacob: 1:10:00

Shaboosie,

Jason Harwood: 1:10:01

Yeah. man. Um, all right, man, we'll, we'll, uh, wrap up here. Jacob, fun as usual. Uh,

Jacob: 1:10:10

always.

Jason Harwood: 1:10:10

He's Jacob. Let's go lions.