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E41: “Pride Preview” Jeremy Reisman from POD joins us! Week 12: Lions at Colts

• Jason Harwood / Jacob Litton / Jeremy Reisman • Season 1 • Episode 41

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Jeremy Reisman from Pride of Detroit joins the hosts to discuss various topics surrounding the Detroit Lions and the NFL. They banter about a past press conference with Dan Campbell, delve into the POD' charity work supporting the University of Michigan Rogel Cancer Center, and highlight their fundraising events, including giveaways and a marathon live stream. The discussion covers Jeremy's views on appetizers, fantasy movies, and his admiration for the Lions' community engagement. They analyze Lions' player performances, potential coach departures, and game predictions, emphasizing strategies and key players for the upcoming match against the Indianapolis Colts

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Jacob:

Silence. Silence.

Jason Harwood:

the great, and I do mean great. Jeremy Reisman is here. You know, them from the pride of Detroit beat writer for the R Detroit Lions. Thank you for joining us, Jeremy.

Jeremy:

Hey, no problem. I, I didn't bring my teacup Yorkies. So, uh, not, not quite the Dan Campbell that, uh, that you were hoping, but, but I hopefully I'll, I'll, I'll be a good consolation prize.

Jason Harwood:

definitely. No, that obviously a joke. We're really happy that you joined here. That was hilarious as someone I was at Brad, who asked him about his Yorkies and the Paris press conference. Say, was that Brad?

Jeremy:

No, it was Carlos.

Jason Harwood:

Was it Carl?

Jeremy:

Carlos.

Jason Harwood:

Oh my God. Yeah. It was funny the way he asked it though. Like

Jeremy:

Yeah,

Jason Harwood:

it like they were his coordinators and

Jeremy:

right.

Jason Harwood:

like that.

Jacob:

It took him a minute to realize what he was talking about.

Jeremy:

Yeah, it definitely caught Dan off guard both the way he asked the question and just the fact that he was getting asked about his Little little dogs. He really doesn't like to talk about himself and and his personal life I think you could see how kind of uncomfortable it made him

Jason Harwood:

Yes.

Jacob:

Yeah.

Jason Harwood:

Well, I can understand why he doesn't want to talk about his personal life considering what's, uh, what's happened at his home turf there, I guess. Okay.

Jeremy:

Yeah every November over the past three years. We decided to use our platform for good And so we, we raise money for a charity every, every year we, we kind of one cause. And this year it's the university of Michigan rural cancer center, particularly when, uh, their, their men's health department, um, it meant a lot to me because, uh, like pretty much everyone. I know I've had a loved one that I lost to cancer. Um, and so the Rogel Cancer Center is a local

Jacob:

And that was the last time I saw him today. Yeah. He's looking like we know him, of course, he's like, He's the guy who runs the press. He's the guy who does the big, and that type of stuff. Yeah. Uh, Yeah.

Jeremy:

our logo with the mustache on it. Cause that's kind of another fun part of it. As I grew out a mustache, um, when I, you know, 11 months out of the year, I don't have a mustache.

Jacob:

Okay.

Jeremy:

But anyways, um, there, we do giveaways on our live streams during the month of We, we give away, you know, lines trading cards. Um, we gave away a, a, uh, Calvin Johnson bobblehead. We'll be giving away David Montgomery bobblehead. uh, so yeah, it's just a lot of fun prizes. And we, we end this, uh, the month with a big marathon stream where we go for like 12 hours live on our YouTube and our Twitch channels. We try to bring in as many guests as possible and try to raise as money as possible. And then we also have. Uh, a big event that I don't know if I can quite, uh, announce yet, but we have something coming. I'll announce the day, uh, maybe free your schedule. If you're in the Detroit area on, uh, on December 4th,

Jacob:

Okay.

Jeremy:

night, the night before the lions Packers Thursday night game,

Jacob:

Oh, man.

Jeremy:

uh, we got something coming for you that should be announced in the next 24 to 48 hours. So, uh, be on the lookout for that as well.

Jason Harwood:

Cool.

Jacob:

cool.

Jason Harwood:

Maybe by well, I'll have this out in the morning, Jeremy, so it won't be you won't quite be breaking news. But yeah, we'll we'll figure it out soon. But,

Jeremy:

Yeah, that's okay.

Jason Harwood:

uh, that's something you guys should be really proud of. And the amount of money you guys have raised over there. It's really, uh, it's really awesome that you guys take the time to do that the energy and, um, you know, you, you know, crazy things like Ryan's got to write something on the board. If, uh, like Bart Simpson style, right. If you get so

Jeremy:

Yeah,

Jason Harwood:

it, yeah, yeah. That's

Jeremy:

exactly.

Jason Harwood:

So,

Jeremy:

Yeah,

Jacob:

That's a good one.

Jason Harwood:

a teacher makes it even, uh, even better than that, he has to do that.

Jeremy:

Yeah.

Jacob:

Do you guys come up with those things for each other?

Jeremy:

a little bit. Yeah. Like

Jacob:

Yeah.

Jeremy:

try to spend like pretty much all of October just brainstorming ideas and kind of throwing it in our little, uh, you work slack room and seeing like, is this is painful enough where people are going to enjoy it? Or do I need to crank up the pain? So that people enjoy me embarrassing myself in a myriad of ways. So, um, you know, like last year, um, I, we, we, we reached a reward where I have to go to a store in yoga pants. Uh, I have to do a, uh, uh, We did a hot one stream because of all the money we raised, um, last year, which is like the, the really hot sauce from wings. And, um, I have to do a cold plunge challenge this year. There's a whole bunch of other stuff. I could shave my head. I could get a tattoo. Um, I, have to, if we reach a certain amount, I have to drink a milkshake of the, the JMO McDouble plus a flurry, just like blend that all together and

Jacob:

Oh. Yeah.

Jason Harwood:

you use it for evil? Most of the time.

Jeremy:

Evil to myself, good to the, the, the broader community.

Jason Harwood:

All right. All right. Got it. Now you have a, I mean, Jeremy, I mean, there's people that have like maybe bigger platforms, but you have the most engaged platform. It feels like people really respond when you talk, so you should be proud of that.

Jeremy:

I appreciate you saying that. Yeah. That's always been kind of a goal at pride of Detroit. It's what makes us kind of unique to some of the other websites, whether they're, you know, traditional media or other lines, blogs out there is we've always had a strong focus on community, you know, our, our, Comment section is still open. There's places on our website where you can post your own stories. You can write your own stories, calm fan posts. And then yeah, the, the live streaming, the podcasting, it was all just like kind of an effort to, to reach out to, to have our faces out there and interact with, with people on a, on a face to face basis. And so, um, yeah, I appreciate you saying that because it is, that, that, that has been a notable goal of ours. Right.

Jason Harwood:

you know, for people that have listened to our show from the beginning or close, I mean, you came on an episode five. That was like a huge deal for us. You know, don't think that Jacob still believes that I've, that I talked to you at that point. He thought I was getting, you know, catfished or whatever. It really like helped us feel good about ourselves and helped us keep going. Cause you know, what we do here was really born out of, you know, I mean, we lost when I lost your show, like you lost your show and I lost, you know, listening to some really like you guys were like my friends, I felt like, even though we hadn't talked at that point. And, uh, so we created this and then you jumped on and just, um, gave us a shot of

Jacob:

We appreciate it for

Jason Harwood:

I met you, you gave me the same hospitality and I really appreciate it.

Jeremy:

I'm like, thanks for saying that. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's always been important for me to, to give back to the lines community in any sort of way, because they've given me so much in terms of the platform that I have now in terms of just enjoyment. Being part of this fan base, it's, I wouldn't trade this fandom or these fans for, for any other sports fans. And so, um, and, and it's not that long ago that, that we were a budding Detroit lines podcast and, and we were kind of trying to find our way, you know, it is, it is, we're entering year 10, which sounds crazy to say, but when we came off the ground, like We didn't know what we were doing and I was, know, cold calling a bunch of people trying to help us and, and, and join us. And so, um, when I see someone that that's driven as you two are and know your stuff, like I'm, I'm happy to help out.

Jason Harwood:

All right.

Jacob:

real.

Jason Harwood:

Yeah, it's, it's awesome. All right, Jeremy, our listeners already know. I do extensive research when our guests come on, so I could be the best host I can be. So I was talking to Morgan Cannon and he

Jeremy:

Uh huh.

Jason Harwood:

you two

Jeremy:

Oh boy.

Jason Harwood:

The first one is why don't you like mozzarella sticks? second thing is how can you not like Lord, the fantasy movies, such as Lord of the

Jeremy:

Oh,

Jason Harwood:

the two things that he, you know,

Jacob:

Bye.

Jason Harwood:

out to me. My

Jeremy:

food talk because. we had to do it, we thought we had to do it every single week and in the off season, you run out of things to talk about. And so at some point, the, the conversation moved to appetizers and, you know, we, we like to rank things all the time. We call them lists, casts, um, and we were ranking appetizers and I don't know if someone had said sticks or if, if someone was mad that they weren't. In my top five, but, um, it suddenly became that I hate mozzarella sticks, which is not the complete truth. I think closer to the truth is that mozzarella sticks to me are not a top five appetizer. And I can point out at least two or three things on every single menu that are better than a better appetizer than

Jacob:

That's it for now.

Jeremy:

the flavor profile is pretty boring. It's just like salty and tomato sauce, like. It's it's deconstructed pizza, but not as good as pizza. Um, so like, yeah, I, I just, you know, I'll, I'll take pot stickers. I'll take French fries. I'll take onion rings. They're, they're, they're all a little bit more unique in their flavors and textures and all that sort of stuff. And so

Jacob:

Thank you.

Jeremy:

don't think mozzarella sticks are that good. they're fine. Like they, I get that they're tasty, but like

Jason Harwood:

Yeah,

Jeremy:

and, and the, the other thing about it is like, you have. A very small window to eat a mozzarella stick before they become almost inedible. Like

Jacob:

That's true.

Jeremy:

cheese, it's, it's inedible.

Jacob:

Yeah. Right.

Jason Harwood:

my nine year old wants to fight you right now. You know, he's, mozzarella sticks are his favorite thing. Uh, but yes, I getcha. Uh, but not a fan of the fantasy movies either, huh?

Jeremy:

I don't really have a defense for that. I know that makes a lot of people mad. I'm not into fantasy. I'm not into superhero movies. I'm just, I don't know, like I'm more. I'm just kind of like more into like the real life ish drama stuff like it

Jacob:

Okay.

Jeremy:

super like, you know, breaking bad was was my jam. I really like better call salt

Jacob:

Good show.

Jeremy:

up mad men all kind of like, I just I guess to me, like real life has enough drama and interest in it that I don't need to travel to this fantasy world to to to experience. All that, but I understand the appeal. I'm not trying to hate on anything that anyone else likes. It's just, it's just not my, my cup of tea.

Jason Harwood:

That's your jam, huh?

Jacob:

All right.

Jason Harwood:

Oh, we're talking to two guys that like Star Wars over here, so we get it. But, uh, you know, I,

Jacob:

Right. Harry Potter. Like.

Jason Harwood:

man. Yeah,

Jeremy:

I'm sorry.

Jacob:

Okay.

Jason Harwood:

you. You don't like Harry Potter? All right. All

Jeremy:

were just me and my buddies were just having this conversation of, you know, what house are you in Harry Potter? I'm like, I don't,

Jacob:

Yeah.

Jeremy:

I know the names of them. I know nothing about them.

Jacob:

Um, Yep. Yeah.

Jeremy:

All right.

Jason Harwood:

unfortunate because I would have liked to seen him on the field, especially with losing Alex Anzalone, he kind of, kind of weathered that storm a little bit. interested in how they're going to use Broderick Martin. You know, we haven't seen him since. uh, you know, preseason. I'm curious about that. What, what do you think about that, Jeremy? I mean, obviously you haven't seen him in practice too, though. I think we got, it was from coach Williams today saying that he was like scout player of the week or whatever last week. So,

Jeremy:

it. Yeah, that's that, that story is interesting to me because I don't know if you're, if you're on the scout team probably means like you're pretty far down on the depth chart, right? And, and maybe that's just a, Hey, you have to work your way up there because you just returned to practice. You missed essentially all of the regular season so far. So, um, Maybe it's there, but I, I just, I don't get a sense that he's going to jump in and like be a significant part of the defense right away. Um, you know, they, they, they brought up guys that, that, that they're comfortable there. I think they like Pat O'Connor kind of in the middle of the defense. I'm, I'm not the hugest fan of that move. I don't think he's been great, but I don't think he's been terrible. And he's a veteran that, that knows the defense and, and. Knows what's expected out of them. So I think if you're coming into this week and like, okay, they activated them, like, let's go see what he can do this week against the Colts. wouldn't be surprised to see him inactive for a week or two. Like I,

Jacob:

Yep. Okay.

Jason Harwood:

Um,

Jeremy:

guy that was regularly getting 20 snaps. I don't think that was the expectation for him. I think it was more like five to 10 snaps, and then we'll see where we're at at the end of the year. So I think. When we eventually see him and it might not be this week. It might not be the week after that. I think, I think it's going to be that more like five to maybe a dozen snaps a game. And, and we'll see where that's at because listen, they, they like DJ reader. They certainly like, um, uh, Lee McNeil, uh, maybe Levi gets a little bit more time on the interior. Once the Darius is kind of more settled in. So. There's not that much of a role for him anyways. So, um, I don't know. Terrell Williams did say some nice things about him. So, you know, he's in, he's, he's got the right mindset. He's been working hard. If, if you're scout team of the week, like that means you're, you're working hard and they're noticing. So, um, there, there's some good things there, but I, I guess my overall thoughts on, on where he's at right now is to temper expectations, at least in the immediate.

Jason Harwood:

Yeah, my thought was the only reason I could see him being active is if, you know, they got this stretch of like four, what, four games in 18 days and maybe just to take some pressure off,

Jeremy:

Sure.

Jason Harwood:

a DJ reader or something like that. Cause I can't imagine. I would, Jacob and I were talking about work earlier today. Could you imagine if breeder and. Martin were on the line at the, that's a lot of, a lot of girth, but I mean, you know, that's just a shut down a run game, like on a goal line or something like that, I would think, but man, that'd be a lot of, a lot of human to move right there.

Jacob:

Especially this week against the Colts. I mean, most of their running scheme seems to be on the outside. I just don't know that project Martin would really be effective.

Jeremy:

Yeah, I think that's fair. Read on the situation.

Jason Harwood:

Um, they're probably gonna have to elevate a linebacker to, uh, this week, uh, cause Alex Anzalone, they did sign long, uh, linebacker, but he's probably gonna get acclimated. So. Uh, boat plan is probably the elevation for the practice squad. Is that your read on it too, Jeremy,

Jeremy:

I think, I think that's probably fair. Um, Bo plans guy that they can play some special teams. And I think that's really all they're, they're looking for in that role. They, they got enough guys on the 53 to at least cover the defense, you know, it's not as deep as they probably want it to be. And David long could eventually be someone that's in that rotation on an actual defensive role. He has a ton of special teams experience, but he also has a ton of defensive experience. So, um, he's a guy that I think could eventually work his way into that. The one kind of thing I'm still not sure on is like. Is David long going to have a defensive role? Is that the plan or

Jacob:

Okay. very much.

Jeremy:

know. We don't have those kinds of details on his injury yet. And so, um, But, but for, for Colts, I think Bopelin is, is, is their guy.

Jacob:

I guess we'll start with, uh, Jared Goff MVP right now. What are your thoughts? Not Jared Goff? MVP chances. Obviously, the, you know, Texans game really hurt the odds there, but do you think he still has an outside chance? What do you think needs to happen for him to still be in the race?

Jeremy:

I think it's tough when that performance happened on a national stage and prime time.

Jacob:

Yep.

Jeremy:

and, and it might not be fair to blame him for all five interceptions of the line. Certainly don't blame him for all those five interceptions. But at the same time, I think, I do think that, man, I, I think, I think he's, he's a distant third right now. I do.

Jacob:

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Okay.

Jeremy:

and then, yeah, I think, I think in terms of what golf needs to do, he just needs to kind of continue what he's been doing for most of the year. Right. Um, the only really blips on the radar are, you know, that, that Texans game. And then the first two games of the season and the further we get away from those first two games of the season, no, one's going to remember them. I mean, no one, I doubt anyone even really does remember them now. So, know, if he keeps putting up, you know, perfect, perfect, Either perfect completion percentage, perfect pass ratings. Like those are going to continue to get him a lot of attention. And it almost felt like the lines were, I know this wasn't what they were doing. They're just trying to win the game, but it almost felt like after he has the five interception performance, we're like, all right, let's, let's boost this guy's stats, let's, let's have them throw for 400 yards and four touchdowns. Even if we scored, you know, someone pointed out, I don't remember who, who's who it was, but they, they started that game with three rushing touchdowns. were already up 21 to three with. Three rushing touchdown and then that's where it almost feels like it was intentional. It's like, Oh, got it. We got to boost Jared stats. Let's get him for the next four touchdowns are all through the air. Um, but, but yeah, I, I mean, he needs more performances like that. He needs to like some records. He needs to probably lead the T lead the league and enter in touchdowns and keep the interceptions at a low, but I do think Lamar. because of the flashiness of this play, just because of the two way nature of, of who he is, um, has a pretty good stranglehold on it right now.

Jason Harwood:

I, I think some of it is the narrative about Jared golf coming into the season that he needs to just outperform all that because anybody else had the string of games that he had up until the Houston one, that was a blip. And then, you know, then he was a perfect passer rating last game. He just, he's kind of behind the eight ball sometimes, I think just nationally, you know, being a civilian and all, um, I can't stand that we won't give that any more airtime than it needs, but I was really upset when I heard that comment, cause it just, what I feel like a lot of people feel like that. He's just like this bridge guy, but. No, he's, he's,

Jacob:

It's just that national perspective. very much.

Jason Harwood:

thought. Um, sometimes it's hard to tell in those, uh, locker rooms, uh, exactly who's asking the question, but I, Jacob and I have talked about this, that it's not just him running for first downs. It is. Him moving just subtly in the pocket and I've noticed that like just moving up to a certain area. And I, I, you know, I think you asked if he had like worked on that and he, you know, gave the football answer of we're always working on everything or

Jeremy:

Right.

Jason Harwood:

I really feel like he's made a big difference. Um, just moving around the pocket and not throwing as many in the dirt. You know, it seemed like before he would like last year, even though last year was pretty decent year, he would throw a lot of screens in the dirt if it wasn't open right away, but it feels like he's just a little bit more conscious of that now.

Jeremy:

Yeah, I think so. And, and I did find like the second half of his answer to that question pretty interesting where he was saying, you know, there, there's some quarterbacks that have to deal with pressure all the time and it's tough on them because you like, then it starts to get in your head, right? Like pressure is going to be coming from anywhere. Like I need to speed up my process. My feet aren't going to probably be look. Particularly while I'm, you know, I'm hurrying everything. Whereas in Detroit, like I've had such good protection that when it rarely does come, it's noticeable. It's, it's not, it's not something that's coming every time. It's not something that that's expected. So when, when I do see it, it's noticeable and usually it's only one guy. So I can sidestep that one guy. And so now that's, that's also him. Like. Shouting out his, his guys, right? Like that's him defending his players and maybe deflecting some of the compliments because that's just kind of the person who he is. But I think there is a little bit something to that. I mean, we always talk about how quarterbacks see ghosts and things like that. He, he doesn't generally speaking. And I think part of that is because he does trust his offensive line.

Jason Harwood:

Yeah, I think the one play where I saw like in the Texans game where he threw that like fumble

Jacob:

Okay. Okay. Okay.

Jason Harwood:

Coach question, Ben Johnson or Aaron Glenn, you think they're both going to be gone? What's your read right now? Are the odds who would, who would, who would go first out of Aaron Glenn or Ben Johnson? What do you think?

Jeremy:

it's, it's a good question. Cause I think both of them are going to have opportunities if they want it. And that's, that's the key right there to which ones are going to leave, which ones aren't, and know, I, I do get a little bit of a sense that Aaron Glenn wants this a little bit more, like he's more eager to be a head coach than, than Ben Johnson is because Ben Johnson seems. happy with where he's at. And obviously he felt like there was unfinished business, which is why he returned this time. win the Superbowl. I think there's probably an increased chance that both of them are gone. Um,

Jason Harwood:

Silence.

Jeremy:

report card. And you just asked anyone in that locker room? Like, this is, this is a guy who gets it. He knows how to motivate. Um,

Jacob:

And, uh, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's like, you know, it's, it's like a, it's like a wave

Jeremy:

like

Jacob:

Okay. So, the, the next slide is going to be, um, I'm going to have this be a one second presentation

Jeremy:

but, but I, I would say like, get your, get your Aaron Glenn apologies in quickly. Because you won't have a chance to send him that card in Allen park very, very much longer.

Jacob:

Yeah, that Saints job is there.

Jeremy:

Saints. I also, I'm, I kind of think jets,

Jacob:

Yeah, right, right.

Jeremy:

for any, like he played for the jets, you know, that, that seems to be the kind of like in thing that, that a lot of teams are doing after the lines did it with Campbell, you know, the, the Raiders are doing it and, uh, the Texans did it. And so I don't know, I, I would stay away from the saints personally, just because of like the salary cap situation. And I do wonder if. You know, the saints went internal defensive hire last time. Do they maybe not do that again this time? I don't know. I, I like the jets fit a little bit cleaner, but I, but like saints is very much possible too.

Jacob:

That's a better set up on defense, but do you want Aaron Rodgers as your quarterback the first year you come in?

Jeremy:

Also true. very fair.

Jason Harwood:

you know, the Aaron Rodgers, what are they going to do with him? Because I wouldn't, I mean, he is, uh, Bad, bad for head coaches, especially if

Jacob:

the worst.

Jason Harwood:

Yeah, exactly.

Jeremy:

Yeah.

Jason Harwood:

under the bus. Um, it's in the lines with these coaches. I'm always impressed. Like when these interviews go on every one of these, like assistant head coach or assistant coaches, they all sound like head coaches to me. Scotty Montgomery, you know,

Jeremy:

Yeah.

Jason Harwood:

sound like they're head coaches and, and waiting. Is there a favorite one for you to interview personally?

Jeremy:

Oh man. I think it's shepherd Kelvin shepherd. Just.

Jacob:

Yeah.

Jeremy:

I don't know, the last two or three years, like, he has me wanting to run through a wall. Like, I think we forget that when he took over and that linebacker room looked like they did, you know, no one liked Anzalone, um, you know, Malcolm Rodriguez was a, I mean, they're starting a sixth round pick. Like, this is a terrible room. And he just like the entire time he's like, you guys don't know how good this room is. You don't know how good they are going to be. And we, you know, We, we laughed at his bloodbath comments back in 2022 or 2021 and said like, he's just hyping up his room. Um, but like everything he said about that room turned out to be true. Um, the way he talks, like you said, is, is, is very much like a head coach. Um, and I don't know, he's just, he has that authenticity that the Dan Campbell has, that is so elusive with some of these guys, with the media, with that, that treat us like, this is something to be feared or, Pushed away like you're like, we're a threat to, to what they're trying to do sometimes. Um, but he talks with us the same way. I think he talks with his players with, and it's with that authenticity. And I think the, the story that I keep going back to, and it's really more of a Dan Campbell story. It's the whole thing where he, he went to Dan Campbell when he, you know, he's still very new to the coaching thing. And he's like, Hey man, I'm gonna, I'm going to cut my hair, you know, just so I look more like a coach. And Dan Campbell's like, no, didn't, I didn't hire Calvin Shepard with the cut hair. I, you know, I, I hired Calvin Shepard and who he is the whole package. And I think he learned an important lesson there. Calvin Shepard did like, Oh yeah. Like if, if this whole thing is going to succeed, everyone in the building needs to be comfortable in their own skin. And. Everyone around Calvin Shepard, I think, is comfortable and it's in their own skin because of how he operates now. And so it's one of those lessons that you, you already see kind of passed down from, from top to bottom. And so, uh, I think, I think he's going to make a very good head coach or defensive coordinator. You know, I think it's going to take some time because he is so new to it, but. You've seen what he's done to the linebacker room. And yes, the lines have made some investments there, but I think a lot of those guys are also playing their best football under him in particular. And it's a testament to who he is as a coach and a motivator.

Jacob:

Definitely.

Jason Harwood:

Yeah, I agree with you run through that. They have a bunch of coaches. You want to run through a brick wall.

Jeremy:

They do.

Jason Harwood:

I'm always impressed with Scotty Montgomery. Just him

Jeremy:

Yeah.

Jason Harwood:

like he. Just

Jacob:

Um, Um, Um,

Jason Harwood:

think Scotty Montgomery is the same way. I, when like he talked today and I just love listening to him talk. It's so like authentic, like this whole coaching staff feels like that. It's like, it's not an, it's like, this is how they talk and they really. you know, care about the player as a person and they get to know them. And I think when you build that trust, I think that's why they get the best out of their players. I, and even when they bring out some of the other positional coaches, I'm like, these all, they all talk in the same like tone of like, and just command respect, uh, that's, that's. Pretty amazing what Dan Campbell's done in a short time period here.

Jeremy:

Yeah.

Jacob:

was a good hire, uh, especially like trying to fill in for deuce, like after deuce left it, you know, wasn't sure how that was going to go and fit right in, kept the ball rolling.

Jason Harwood:

Did. All right, let's move on to some Colts talk. We're getting ready for the Colts game coming up this weekend. why don't you tell us about the offensive, uh, impact players that the Colts have? I

Jacob:

Impact players for the Colts on offense, uh, going to list the player in their pro football focus grade. Um, Wide Receiver Josh Downs is currently rated the number 6 Wide Receiver. Guard Quentin Nelson, number 6 for Offensive Guard. Uh, Offensive Guard, I don't know how to say his name. Is it Will Fries? Uh, he's rated number 4 actually right now. So very good guard play offensive tackle. Bernard Raymond is rated number 11. He actually did not play last week. Uh, the interesting ones here that are still impact players are Jonathan Taylor. The running back pro football focus currently has'em. Rated number 61 out of 63 running backs. And then quarterback Anthony Richardson is rated 38 out of 40 quarterbacks. So both rated really low, but both impact players both still obviously effective, can control a game for sure. Okay. Okay.

Jason Harwood:

I think it was today. He said that they feel like they take the reins off Anthony Richardson, which could be good and bad. He could throw the deep ball. So they're going to, you know, throw that up. You got to be prepared for that. And if they're just going to let him run issue is, is how, you know, for the Colts, if they he's running, he's, he's just super injury prone, um, but that might not matter for this game, if he can make it through this game. So I, I'm, I was very concerned about when Dan Campbell said they've taken the reins off. Um,

Jacob:

Okay. very much.

Jeremy:

He was, he was good last week. Uh, there's, there's no doubt about it. And you can say what you will about the Jets and where they are, but I think they have good defensive players. and, and it, the one

Jacob:

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Jeremy:

He'll he'll run over a defensive back. Like it's, it's not going to be easy to bring that guy down. And, and we know the lines struggles and kind of corralling mobile quarterbacks at time. He he's a little bit different in that. He's not like, I mean, he's, he's evasive, but that's not kind of like his go to his go to is just like literally run through you. So, um, it's, it's different. It's going to be a challenge for the lines, but, um, You know, it is, it also is just a sample size of one. Like he's a guy who has struggled to throw the ball accurately this year. He's a guy who, who has looked a little panicked in the pocket at times. So if you can rattle him a little bit and we should certainly know the lines like to blitz a little bit. Um, I think you can make him his performance slide a little bit back towards what we were seeing at the beginning of the season, rather than what he did last week.

Jason Harwood:

Any other, um, thoughts? I always think it's weird that their guards are rated so high, but they're better at running outside than inside. Do you think it'd be? It's counterintuitive.

Jeremy:

Yeah. They've been dealing with a lot of injuries on that offensive line to like, uh, will fries or freeze. Um, I, I think he's on IR right now and their center Ryan Kelly is on IR. Uh, right. Raymond that the left tackle, like you said, he, he'd missed last game. I think he was listed as a non So they're dealing with a lot of shuffling of that roster, and I think they're trying to figure out what, what the best combination is there. But, but yeah, I mean, Quentin Nelson is, is amazing. He's, he's really fun to watch. Um, but I think, I think the rest of that interior and the left tackle there are that they're, they're shuffling those guys in and out and trying to figure out a combination. I mean, you take any offensive line and you take three starters off. It's, it's, it's hard to maintain.

Jason Harwood:

Oh, yeah.

Jeremy:

you see, we panic when, when one of the starters are gone. Right.

Jacob:

Right.

Jeremy:

you take three of those guys and that's, that's a big chunk. Yeah.

Jason Harwood:

on the line rated fifth and Zaire Franklin, their linebacker. He's currently rated 53, but he was the NFL top 100. He was, you know, that really, you know, quality list that they put out every year, but he was number rated 100 on that. Um, I'm more worried when they have really high,

Jacob:

Um, Um, Uh, Um, Um, Um,

Jason Harwood:

and it just kind Clouds up the passing lanes. So we'll see. I think that Jerry golf could be in line for another good game. And this one, any thoughts on that? Jacob

Jeremy:

Um,

Jason Harwood:

it's going to, I, it's going to be a, I feel like it's going to be another Honolulu blue takeover to being so close. I

Jeremy:

Yeah,

Jason Harwood:

I bet you're for a lot of people, it was cheaper to go to that game than a, than a game at Ford field. Uh, I'm

Jeremy:

no question. Yeah. No, I was, I was, and I was just talking to a cold sky earlier today and we had that discussion a little bit and he's like, yeah, and, and, you know, if, if Anthony Richardson hadn't played last as well as he did last week, 70, 30 in favor of the lions fans. Now he's thinking maybe more 50, 50. So, in a 50, 50 takeover for. At a Colt team that, I mean, they're still in the playoff race, right? I

Jacob:

Right. Right.

Jeremy:

great in Indy right now, but they're, they're certainly not out of it. Like some other teams in the NFL. But the thing is like, will you be able to tell because everyone in the building is going to be wearing blue,

Jason Harwood:

Yeah, no, that's the,

Jacob:

Right.

Jason Harwood:

that's the sad part about it, right? Is that,

Jeremy:

right?

Jason Harwood:

wear blue. So, well, I don't do Colts have a black Jersey. We're going to wear all our black jerseys there, but still that won't

Jacob:

Their black jersey looks similar to ours, too.

Jason Harwood:

exactly. Darn it. Colts. All right. Colts there. We just mentioned it. They're five and six or second in the FC South. Um, their last few games, they won last week for it's a jets and a close one, 28, 27, always love to see Aaron Rogers lose, especially after he talked about running the table on that, what, when they won, uh, but they beat the Texans, you know, the Al Michael sings. Yeah. Aaron Rogers things we're going to run the table. Well, he hasn't won since, which is the most hilarious thing in the world to

Jeremy:

Maybe that's what he meant by running the table.

Jason Harwood:

Uh, you know, yeah, so, they, you know, they won, but they lost the three weeks before that they also the bills, Vikings, Texans, certainly not easy games by any stretch of the imagination. Um, so we'll see what they have their different team also with Richardson rather than Flacco. Uh, yeah, be, be interesting. Uh, injury report came out today. Uh, you want to go through the Colts, Jacob?

Jeremy:

going

Jacob:

not practice. Um, he did not play last week, so we'll see what that means. Their other offensive tackle, Brayden Smith, was limited. Uh, wide receiver Michael Pittman got in a full practice. He's been dealing with injuries, it seems like all season, but he's been trying to play through them. And then defensive end Taequann Lewis was a full practice participant. He's on the IR practice windows just open for him. Uh, don't think he's going to play, but we'll see.

Jeremy:

to do it. Yeah,

Jason Harwood:

Jeremy on him, or is it the week after

Jeremy:

yeah, next week, Tuesday or Wednesday. So yeah.

Jason Harwood:

they got to make the decision whether, you know, to put them on, but by all accounts, I'm pretty sure he's less than injury crops up. He's going to be back on the team. Ellen

Jeremy:

Yep. Silence.

Jason Harwood:

All right, Jacob, how are the Colts ranked, uh, offensively?

Jacob:

Okay, offensive breakdown for the Colts, um, pro football focus ranks them the 21st best offense in the NFL. They ranked 19th and point scored. They are 20th and yards per game, and that breaks down their 21st and passing yards per game. Thank you. 16 in, uh, rushing yards per game. Middle of the pack here on offense.

Jason Harwood:

Yeah, and defense Jacob already mentioned it, you know, they're ranked 12th and, uh, PFF, however, and point scored there, the 19th rank there, 20th, 28th and yards per game, 26 and passing and 28th and rushing yards per game. So way at the bottom of the

Jeremy:

Yeah.

Jason Harwood:

you're headed to Indy, uh, what is your like, uh, ritual when you go to, when you go to an away game, do you have like a certain thing that you do or, I

Jeremy:

Um, not, not yet. I, I, I really haven't covered a ton of away games. Um, when I was living in LA, I, I went to a ton of away games just kind of as a fan. Um, because I think that's an awesome and unique experience to, to just like encounter lions fans in the wild a little bit. Um, there's, there's like an extra camaraderie when you see a lions fan. At a Colts game compared to seeing a Lions game at a Lions game, you know, like,

Jason Harwood:

Um,

Jeremy:

once, once the. The calendar turns over to Sunday. It's pretty much like, I just kind of want to, I've never been to Lucas oil and I don't, I don't go for the combine or anything like that. I kind of view it as one of those like iconic places because it hosts events like that. So I'll probably try to just the building pretty darn early and maybe walk the concourse a little bit just to, to see what it looks like. I've, I've been told it's actually built. Very much like Ford Fielder, Ford Field is, is kind of built like Lucas oil, I think, cause I think Lucas oil came first, but, um, but yeah, like I, I'm, I'm always in my comfort zone when I'm actually in the stadium. So I don't, I don't like to like hang around outside the stadium or tailgate or anything like that. Not that I could necessarily tailgate, but I'm just like, let me get in the building. want to sit here and wait for football to happen.

Jason Harwood:

Yeah, I get it. And

Jacob:

Our Texans guest was all about the tailgate.

Jason Harwood:

she was,

Jacob:

She mentioned it at every question. Ha ha.

Jason Harwood:

we've talked about it that after the game, she probably really wanted to go out and tailgate afterwards, uh, drink some of those sorrows away, we've talked about Anthony Richardson a lot. think like, I know this is like a big topic, NFL has a QB development issue. It seems like gets pushed at the same pace when you're young quarterback like that, just seems like a quarterback, like Anthony Richardson could have had some more developmental time. I mean, do you feel like because of the rookie contracts that like we just push everybody at the max speed now?

Jeremy:

Yeah, a little bit, uh, it's tough cause are obviously examples of success in both strategies, right? Like if, if you, if you put it, play a guy right away, there's, there's no experience better than, than on field experiences, no, better opportunities to learn when you're out there. And, and, you know, the, the opposing team is, is clearly better. Crunching up down upon you and you have the receivers playing at full speed and full contact. Um, but, but I do think there's something to be said about the way that the college game is changing. there's a little bit of a divergence between. What they do in college and what they do in the pros, you know, you know,

Jacob:

Okay, so I'm going to go ahead and, uh, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm Bye bye. Bye bye.

Jeremy:

patience and the Anthony Richardson situation is, is different and unique in the way that, you know,

Jacob:

So, let's go through, uh, uh, the, um, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, for joining us today and I look forward to seeing you next time.

Jeremy:

it's a very nuanced conversation and I don't think there's necessarily a right or wrong answer. Um, I think, I think the key is just knowing your guy, knowing when your guy is, because that's something that's talked about with Dan Campbell all the time that, that his players always say, like Dan Campbell knows when to push a player knows when to pull back on a player. And so you draft a guy, you better know him pretty well. And you better know if you need to push him out there and he needs the experience right away, or he's not ready and you, and you pull them back. And I think each situation is going to be different. Each player is going to be different. Each buttons that you press on these players are going to be different.

Jacob:

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Jeremy:

there,

Jason Harwood:

Um,

Jeremy:

they always seem to have an arranged marriage, whether it's GM and coach or coach and quarterback or quarterback and GM. Like never feels like it's all on the same page. It never feels like there's long term vision there. And it happened again this year where it's just like, now you have what appears to be a lame duck head coach. You just brought in a new. And now you're going to probably fit him. You've already fired the offensive coordinator, right? Like you're already putting this guy behind the eight ball. And so it's not just about having a quarterback that's ready to go right away, but it's, it's about having an organization that's ready to start

Jacob:

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Jason Harwood:

it's hard to have a cookie cutter answer on any of those things. But, you know, lions you to talk about. You know, for them, they floundered so many times firing offensive coordinators, getting new coaches. Even Stafford just dealt with that constantly. And then, you know, here it comes in Dan Campbell, Brad Holmes, and Jared Goffin, you know, some of it's luck. I think that everybody just meshed so well.

Jeremy:

Yeah.

Jason Harwood:

Cause you know, Brad and Dan had no working together and then, you know, but Sheila and Chris made the right hire and it's all worked out really well for us. But yeah, I think you're right. And I I'm all for the bears. Just keep doing this perpetual,

Jeremy:

Right.

Jason Harwood:

uh, dance that they do. Um,

Jacob:

he was a low floor, high ceiling kind of player. And. It just wasn't, it didn't make sense for them to draft him with the intention on starting him right away. He still has to learn. He was not, he couldn't grasp really the college defense and the college concepts. So to have to push him in and then, you know, like Jeremy said, they kind of, you made the mistake there where he's a starter and then you pull him back. Now there's a confidence thing going on. He got hurt last year. You do the same thing this year, really. He's on a short leash. You decide that you're going to go with Joe Flacco that lasted for a couple of weeks before now you bring him back and now pretty much their only option to compete is what they're doing, which is kind of almost like a college offense. You know, they're running so many read option plays and there's just so much like misdirection. Outside stuff and you know, but they don't they've put themselves in this position They have no choice but to do that if they want to try to have some sort of success

Jeremy:

Uh,

Jacob:

able to be on our Center and drop back and you know It's just not ready to do all of that. Yeah,

Jeremy:

Um,

Jacob:

He obviously has a potential. He definitely can throw the ball. He would have benefited from More like Hennon hooker. You know, you have no pressure on you. Let him learn behind somebody else. Let him pick it up and then see what happens from there. They really screwed that up in my opinion.

Jason Harwood:

Well, I think a lot of that is people just covering their butts to keep their jobs because these head coaches don't have the window that, you know,

Jeremy:

Um,

Jason Harwood:

rookie quarterback, and they're, they're doing their thing, but I, yeah, I don't know. I just think some of it's the economics of football, push that and, uh, got to win now, there's no

Jeremy:

Mr. Chairman.

Jacob:

Well,

Jason Harwood:

because most teams. I mean, look at Atlanta, they draft Penix and, uh, you know, when they just signed Kirk Cousins, like how weird is that situation, you know? And we thought

Jacob:

yeah, but he's sitting back behind somebody.

Jason Harwood:

Yeah, no, I mean, it's good for him, but they paid Kirk Cousins a lot of money, uh, for Penix to sit for Kirk Cousins. years, you know, if that's the truth. and then you saw that GM

Jeremy:

Yeah. Yep.

Jason Harwood:

most guys. There might be some quarterbacks that come out that are ready. Caleb Williams in a certain situation might've been a better, might've had a better chance than what he had in Chicago had all the weapons on the outside, but you can't protect them.

Jacob:

I mean, I already said it, you know, like the whole head coach thing. You screwed that up. You have the number one pick. You knew the coach was on the hot seat anyway on the fringe. You should have started over before the season started. Now you're hitting the reset button next year. We kind of mentioned this a little bit already, but, you know, Some people are worried about this being a trap game. Uh, the schedule really intensifies after this. Bears, Packers, Bills, Bears, Niners, Vikings, you know, Do you see this being a possible trap game? Do you think the Lions are capable of having a trap game under Dan Campbell?

Jeremy:

mean, it certainly doesn't seem like it, right? Uh, it certainly seems like they're, they're pretty dialed in, uh, every week, every practice. It's, it's just, it's part of this team's identity. It's part of their culture where, um, every game matters. To them so much, not only in terms of like, Hey, we have to win this game to be 10 and one and stay ahead in the NFC. It's there's so much pride. They have every single time they go out on the field that they're,

Jacob:

Silence. Silence. Silence. Silence.

Jeremy:

But I, I don't think they will ever go into a game and take it lightly, if that makes sense. I don't think

Jacob:

Okay,

Jeremy:

that's not how they lose this game. If they lose this game. Um, It's like, listen, the Colts are, guys listed off all those stats. They're like middle of the pack and everything, which I think if you look at some of those individual performances, like some of them are pretty darn good. Some of them are really bad. And like, if you just catch the Colts on a good day, like they can take it to the wire. And when it's close in the fourth quarter. Either team can win. It's a coin flip. Now the lines have performed pretty darn well in the fourth quarter in these tight games so far with the bucks being the one exception. So, you know, I'm, I'm definitely taking the lines in this game because on paper, they're, they're the better team, um, on paper, like they're,

Jacob:

Okay. Okay.

Jason Harwood:

and just a couple of things that Dan Campbell said, like, you know, just he's like, what can you grade on scoring 52? Well, we could have scored in five or six plays as opposed to these longer drive, which was a

Jeremy:

Right.

Jason Harwood:

statement. uh, that Jared Goff said something to the extent, like, you know, You know, we have our own standard that we're playing against it. You know, we're playing the nameless faceless opponent and we have to meet our own standards. So

Jacob:

Um, Um, Um, Um, Um, Um, Um, Um, Um,

Jeremy:

very simple and it's something that the line stress every single week. And I think Dan Campbell already stressed it this week. It's stopped the run, um, whether that means Jonathan Stewart or whether that means, um, their quarterback, like you have to go out there and, and make sure that you're getting them into an unfavorable down in distances, get them into those third and long situations. Because then I think you can really make Anthony Richardson uncomfortable. Um, like I said, I, I do. I would have confidence in them be able to stop the run if it was just Jonathan Taylor. Just like a, between the tackles kind of rushing attack, I think the lines are well equipped to stop that. But it gets a little bit more complicated when they do run some of these zone reads and they, do run a little of these outside stuff,

Jacob:

Um,

Jeremy:

misdirection stuff with, with a defensive line that is going through a lot of changes. The line backing crew that is going through a lot of changes and there are gonna be a lot of guys out there that, that haven't played a lot of ball under the lions. So that's. It's going to be a challenge for them. I think that's maybe the biggest challenge for this team this week. And if they can bottle that up and the lines have done a relatively good job, even, you know, setting the edge, I would say that they've been much better at that recently than they have in the past, even without Aiden Hutchinson. So they're equipped to do that, but I think it's going to be a bigger challenge than it has in these past of weeks where it seems like the run defense is kind of getting back into form. I think this is a little bit of a unique challenge that could provide some problems.

Jason Harwood:

I think they suffered when Pascal was out for those couple of games, setting the

Jeremy:

question.

Jason Harwood:

have Zidarius who could, he could set the edge on the other side. So I think we're better equipped right now than we were, uh, when we were getting gashed a little bit in that run game, um, you know, Packers game, they, uh, Jacob's got a couple of good runs on us. I think, I think you're right there. You know, we, it all starts with the run. That's like every week. That's the Lions game plan to stop

Jeremy:

Um,

Jason Harwood:

uh, the Colts do well. They lead the league and force fumbles their mouth middle of the pack and interceptions, but they, they do get turnover. So the Lions just need to do what they normally do. Uh, you know, take care of the football. Don't give Anthony Richardson an extra, you know, possession. Uh, certainly if we're going to do that, do it on

Jeremy:

uh, uh, uh, uh, You

Jacob:

you know, for me is just keeping Richton contained. We have a top five rushing defense. Obviously, we emphasize stopping the run. Jonathan Taylor is a good running back. It's going to take a good game, you know, from our defense to kind of keep him in check. But I think the biggest key is just keeping Richardson contained. We have to be faster on the edge. We have to contain the outside. You know, it just reminds me he's a different quarterback obviously than what Justin Fields is. But the game, you know, that we played a couple of last year where Fields is kind of able to just create so much extra time by running around back there and finding somebody open. You know, we just can't let him scramble around, get loose back there and, you know, it's going to be hard with Anzalone out. We're going to see what we get out of our linebacker play. Um, and also just, you know, keeping it 3rd and long don't allow the 3rd and short 4th and short plays because they have Anthony Richardson, Jonathan Taylor, you know, the formations that they use everything if I do on short down, uh, short yard situation, you They definitely keep defense is guessing they can throw they can run up the middle. They can run either way. I think if we keep it, you know, third and manageable, it's going to be a lot harder for him to throw the ball consistently. Yeah.

Jason Harwood:

AIDS went out, the blitz percentages went up. So I, I think that's a no brainer, but the Colts, the next gen set as the Colts have allowed a lot of pressure on blitzes, so expect,

Jeremy:

Yeah. Yeah.

Jason Harwood:

his league leading interception, uh, right.

Jeremy:

Yeah.

Jason Harwood:

um, anything else that, uh, you think Jeremy, uh, your keys to victory, you got anything else?

Jeremy:

I guess, you know, defend the deep ball, um, which the lines have been excellent at obviously because of, like you said, that the safety play that they, they've had this season. Um, but I, it's, it's a decent group of receivers. It's, it's, you know, three deep, I would say, because Josh Downs is kind of like Richardson's go to guy, but Alex Pierce is a guy who I think is like top five or top 10 in, uh, yards per reception.

Jason Harwood:

hmm.

Jeremy:

Michael Pittman jr hasn't quite reached his potential, but I still think he's a strong receiver. And so like all three of the line's corners are going to have to be on their game in this one. I don't think, you know, there isn't just like, Hey, shut down this guy and you're fine.

Jason Harwood:

Yes.

Jeremy:

we're going to have to, we, we're going to have to, You know, Carlton Davis has been great this year. I think a meek has been better than, than some expected. Terry on has been up and down, um, which is to be expected for a rookie that plays a ton of man coverage. Um, but I think, I think he needs to have a big game in this one. I think he has to make sure that Anthony Richardson doesn't get into a rhythm. He doesn't connect on any big plays, um, because big plays, you know, they, they can turn games and, and whether that's a deep connection or God forbid, another pass interference call. Um, you

Jacob:

Yeah.

Jeremy:

we'll, we'll, we'll see, but, um, Yeah, I, I think, I think this is going to be one of the bigger challenges the receiving core has faced in a little bit. It feels like there's been a little bit of a little like earlier in the season. There was a ton of like really, really good receiving cores that they went against. It's been kind of a little bit of a downfall in, in, in recent weeks. And I think it kind of bumps back up this week and that's good because it leads into like the bears have a good receiving core. The Packers have a pretty decent receiving core. Um, There are going to be some challenges ahead. So I think this is kind of the start. I wouldn't say of a gauntlet necessarily of receivers, but there are some good receivers out there that are on the schedule. And this is one of those weeks where I think it's going to be a significant challenge.

Jason Harwood:

this the week that Terry on gets his first pick? I have the feeling it's going to happen this week. Something's going to be

Jeremy:

I love that.

Jason Harwood:

I hope so. I hope he plays the ball and he gets one. He's been in position. I've mentioned plenty of times this year and he

Jeremy:

Yeah.

Jason Harwood:

uh, made it. So I'm, I'm hoping, uh, it's going to be hard for Carlton Davis to get another one with this, uh, hand all taped up.

Jeremy:

Yeah.

Jason Harwood:

All right. Anything else, Jacob,

Jacob:

Yeah, so just on the offensive side, um, they have a bottom five rush defense. And I know I say the same thing every week, but it's true with the offensive line that we have in the running backs that we have, we have to, you know, we should be able to move the ball on the ground. We've got to be able to move the ball. It's going to set up play action for golf. That's when we have the most success. That's just the key to victory every week is just.

Jeremy:

Okay.

Jacob:

lost one of those games. So, we have to just keep running the ball. It's gonna work, you know, and if they start bringing their safeties down, the linebackers are cheating inside and everything. The play action or, you know, using the quick passes and everything, the JMO, it, you know,

Jeremy:

Um, Uh, Um, Um,

Jason Harwood:

like a lot of rookie quarterbacks or young quarterbacks, they hold on the ball too long. That'll give the Lions. Past rush of time to get there and, um, hopefully allow Kirby to set him up. Just like he set up Mac Jones last week, uh, for his interception. I thought it was great. What Kirby said that, you know, he knew that he was going to go there and he was just setting them up. I think that just shows the growth of Kirby that, you know, he is incredible ball skills, but now he's able to. Set quarterbacks up and take advantage of that. Um, right, Jeremy, we play this game every week. It's called Gibbs or Monty. And so whoever picks it's whoever's going to have the most rushing yards. It's a great game that we get to play as lions fans. So Jacob won the last time. So he gets to pick first and then I get the other person. But since you're our guest, you're. You're going to get to choose afterwards, uh, who you would, who you'd pick. So I'm forced in my pick cause I have to do the opposite of Jacob. So who you, who are you going with this week, Jacob? I'm

Jacob:

I'm going to go with Gibbs this week.

Jason Harwood:

going Gibbs. All

Jacob:

Outside runs. He's going to break one off. I'm going to go with Gibbs.

Jason Harwood:

You know, Gibbs. All right. Well, I got Monty. Jay, Jeremy, what, uh, you know, you get impartial pick here. Who are you going with?

Jeremy:

It's a really tough one for me, and this has become kind of a favorite question of mine when we do our preview podcast. I just ask the, our guest who's usually covering the other team, um, Which guy are you more scared of? And, uh, usually I get a clear answer this week. It was kind of a mixed one. Um, but he said, you know, there, there are some issues tackling, which could kind of lean in other, in either direction, right? Like, oh, that's, that's a Monty game. Like he, he breaks tackles all the time. but the way he described it is like, a little bit more nervous about Gibbs because when you miss a tackle on Gibbs, it turns a five yard gain into a 70 yard gain. It's not quite the same with Dave Montgomery, although we, we've seen Dave Montgomery also, you know, he had a 75 yard touchdown last year. Right.

Jacob:

Silence. Silence. Silence.

Jeremy:

uh, I'll, I'll stick with what our Colts guests

Jacob:

Silence.

Jeremy:

I'll, I'll go with Gibbs as well.

Jacob:

That's why it's such a great game is you can't lose. They're both on our team. It doesn't matter.

Jeremy:

Exactly.

Jacob:

We're happy either way.

Jason Harwood:

Jacob, I haven't told you this, but I'm kind of thinking of instituting a new game. It's called Joseph or branch. Who's going to get the interception because

Jacob:

No. Yeah,

Jason Harwood:

happen all the time. We're not going to do that

Jeremy:

That's a great one.

Jason Harwood:

that's a, that's a fun game that maybe we'll later on. But thanks for playing Gibbs or Monty Jeremy. All right. Now we're going to get into the part of the show where we do our grit picks. All right. Do you want to go through last week's real quick, Jacob?

Jacob:

of course. I'm still in the lead. So I'd love to go over how it last went last week.

Jason Harwood:

Yes,

Jacob:

All right. Last week Thursday night football commanders at Eagles. We both picked the Eagles. We were right there Sunday night football Bengals at Chargers. I went with the Chargers. Jason went with the Bengals. Jason was wrong. Uh, and then.

Jason Harwood:

bad for me. It looked really bad for me. And then the Bengals came back and I thought, yes, I'm gonna be able to throw it in Jacob's face to

Jeremy:

Okay. You

Jacob:

half.

Jeremy:

Okay. Bye bye.

Jason Harwood:

night football. I'll go first. I'm taking the Steelers in this one. It's, it's hard. It's hard, Jacob, but what are you going to take?

Jacob:

Yeah. Steelers, the Steelers are three and a half point favorites at the Browns. And I'm actually really surprised at the line for that game. Uh, you know, the 8 2 Steelers, the 2 8 Browns. I don't know if it's just because the Browns, you know, they did beat the Ravens at home and this is a home game, so maybe the home field advantage. They're just thinking that. But I mean, I've got the Steelers winning by a touchdown.

Jason Harwood:

Yeah.

Jacob:

Well, you Jeremy, what are you thinking?

Jeremy:

Yeah, I mean, divisional games are, can be weird. Thursday night games are always weird. So I wouldn't be shocked if something weird happened in this game, but not going to pick the two and eight Cleveland Browns over the eight and two Pittsburgh Steelers. There's, there's something magical about Mike Tomlin that he can take mediocre rosters and make them not only playoff bound, but like, this is, this is a top seed candidate right now in the AFC, which seems absolutely crazy to, to, to Even say considering the quarterback situation there and it's just not that talented of a roster, but I'll

Jacob:

right.

Jeremy:

a Thursday night game. I'll take the better coach team. And that is the Pittsburgh stails.

Jacob:

Next up, Sunday Night Football Eagles at Rams. The Eagles are. 3 point favorites. I want to start this off by saying that I really hope that the Rams win this game. Rams are 5 5 right now, they're still right in the thick of it for the division. I know that Jalen Hurts is kind of banged up, and you know, I just don't think the Rams defense is going to be able to keep up with Saquon and that offensive attack. Um, so, I am picking the Eagles to win, but I really hope I'm wrong. I want the Eagles to lose. What do you think, Chase?

Jason Harwood:

I'm actually going the Rams on this one. I mean, I might be going with my heart just like how you want. That's what I want to happen. That's the best situation for the Lions. Certainly going to be rooting for the Rams, but I'm going to pick the Rams Eagles going to cross country like that Sunday night

Jeremy:

Um,

Jacob:

lead the West right now, though, and they're 6 4. They're a three way tie at 5 5. It's still wide open.

Jason Harwood:

But the 49ers are going to be coming on here and everyone in that, everyone in that division knows that

Jacob:

Yeah, yep.

Jason Harwood:

with McCaffrey coming back, all right, Jeremy. you break this tie.

Jeremy:

It's a tough one, man. I tend to go with shock answers here because I don't do as much research on the other teams that I do the lion. So I have to lean Eagles here. I do think the Eagles are a legitimate NFC contender. I think they, they are a team that, that could challenge the lions for the NFC title. Um, They have a really solid roster. They, they, they're, they're, they're good where they need to be, which is in the trenches, right?

Jacob:

And, uh, And, uh, And thanks for coming out. Thanks again. Bye Bye

Jeremy:

week when they eked out the Patriots. Um. I just, I don't think they're at the Eagles level right now, but I'm with both of you, like I'm going to be rooting pretty hard for the Rams in that game. But I, I think my, my, my brain is telling me that, that the Eagles might win that one comfortably.

Jacob:

Side question here, just because we brought up the Rams, what do you think of the Jonah Jackson situation, uh, getting benched?

Jeremy:

Crazy. Uh, I don't, I don't, I feel like the Rams didn't handle that one. Well from the get go, you know,

Jacob:

No.

Jeremy:

I know he got injured in training camp and so it didn't help their situation. But then like they started playing him at center

Jacob:

Right.

Jeremy:

What, what

Jacob:

Yeah.

Jeremy:

you trying to do there? Like, I think, I think there was just a little bit too much, you know, shuffling the, the, the, the, the, Deck chairs on the Titanic situation where it's just like, they found themselves with a lot of injuries early in the season and they were just like desperately trying to figure their way out of it. And it meant putting Jonah Jackson in a position that he's not particularly good at, and now he's on the bench, which I mean, that's, that's an ugly look for a guy you paid a lot for this off season.

Jacob:

Right. They're just trying to get the piece of the puzzle to fit all year, and they just are not working. And then, like you said, you know, the guy you paid so much money, now you're just going to kind of throw him to the side. It's just really weird.

Jason Harwood:

Yeah. You're

Jeremy:

a good place from hopefully they put him back at a garden with like a full off season to rep there. Hopefully it gets back in there. Cause I, I don't want to see Jonah Jackson. Fail

Jacob:

No.

Jeremy:

a good guy and I think he's a good football player. Like, he as good as they paid him? I mean, probably not. That's why the lines didn't pay him. But, you know, I, I hope, I hope they do figure something out with him. And I imagine at this point it would probably be next season.

Jason Harwood:

Yeah. I mean, if you come in to a new offense and you miss part of it, and then, you know, he's probably just like all football players, he's still injured, so he's probably not playing up to a hundred

Jeremy:

Right.

Jason Harwood:

And then, yeah, you're in a rough situation. Uh, and if you get in McVay's it's not a good place to be, uh, our

Jeremy:

True.

Jason Harwood:

that.

Jeremy:

Yep.

Jason Harwood:

Night Football, the Harbaugh Bowl, at Chargers. Jacob, it's up to me, right?

Jacob:

Was you? Yep.

Jason Harwood:

I'm going with Chargers in this one. I, Jim's gonna show up as brother. What do you

Jacob:

I I actually went the same way. Uh, you know,

Jason Harwood:

oh wow.

Jacob:

they've coached each other against each other twice. Uh, both of'em were in the same year. Obviously they had the Super Bowl, uh, and they had won the regular season that the Ravens won too. So, uh, Jim has not beaten John yet, but I, I think it's gonna happen this week. The Chargers defense is really good. Obviously, the Ravens offense is really good. It's going to be a really good offense versus defense matchup, but I think the difference here is that the Chargers are playing at home and the Ravens are dead last in passing defense. Obviously, Justin Herberts likes throwing the ball. You know, he, I think the Chargers are going to be able to score enough to beat the Ravens. What do you think of Jeremy?

Jeremy:

I'm leaning Ravens here, but I almost feel like some of that is just based on perception going into the year because it is. That the Ravens defense is struggling as much as it is. I mean, it's, it's just been such a historically good defense that not, I I'm hard. I've had having a hard time comprehending that it's not good this year. It doesn't make sense to me.

Jacob:

It doesn't sound right.

Jeremy:

Right. And like you said, it doesn't sound right when you're talking about the chargers. Closing out games. That doesn't sound right either. Like these, these teams are, are, are certainly trending in, in opposite directions in terms of like just where they were to begin the year and where they are now said, I, I just, I can't. Shake the fact that the Ravens are still a really talented team. And, and if there's a team that can challenge the lines for best offense in the league, the Baltimore Ravens. Like they're right up there with what the lines can do offensively. And so ultimately it is an offensive league. And so I I'm going to break from the pack here and I'm going to pick the Ravens, but I also fully admit that this might be me just falling back on like old perceptions of both of these teams. Yeah.

Jacob:

I thought I was going to try to get another one on him here.

Jason Harwood:

No, I hadn't. I kind of thought the same thing about that. So we outsmarted each other or outdone each other. We'll see after Monday night. Uh, all right, let's get on to our grit guarantee. All right, since you're our guest, I'm gonna let you go first on this. Put the

Jeremy:

Okay. Yeah, like I said, I, I mentioned that the lions or that the, Colts not great in between the tackles when it comes to run defense. Like they have DeForest Buckner who is a fantastic talent and he's a guy that the lines are going to have to certainly pay a lot of attention to. But I think as long as they, you know, double him as much as they can, I think they're going to have a lot of success running the game. So I'm going to say over 150 rushing yards for the lions on Sunday.

Jacob:

Good pick, good pick.

Jason Harwood:

Jacob, you can go.

Jacob:

Uh, Jason stole my thunder on this earlier. Um, but, you know, Richardson takes a lot of shots downfield. Even if they're not open, it seems like if that's the play call and they look like they even have a step, doesn't matter if they're in double coverage, he's gonna, you know, take a shot, see what happens. I think Terry and Arnold's gonna get his first pick this week.

Jeremy:

Hey,

Jacob:

So that's gonna be my guess.

Jeremy:

Hey.

Jason Harwood:

Alright, that's good. I, I had that. I think it's going to happen to Jacob. Cause as we were just talking of feeling sent, maybe it was you reading your pick. I don't know, but I just felt like Terry on is going to get one this week. I really, I really, he deserves one. I hope he gets one. Uh, mine is more in line with what Jeremy, I. Instead of saying they're going to get 150 yards rushing one of the two Gibbs or Monty's going to break the century mark by himself. So enough of the splitting one of the two, or maybe both, but one of the two is going to break the century mark. That's, that's what my guarantee is on this one. Um, but all right, Jeremy, you've been awesome to come on, spend some time with us, kind of went over the time. Sorry about that, but, uh, appreciate.

Jacob:

I don't know if we should read the news. Um, I don't know. I don't know. Uh, yes. Um, finally. all for coming. Bye bye. Bye bye.

Jason Harwood:

everybody's established as much as they are. So it is a fun thing. The community seems to be pretty good right now. We'll see how it gets going, but welcome to that. Um, all right, Jeremy, besides the Movember stuff, you got anything else going

Jacob:

All right, definitely

Jason Harwood:

Man, just teasing it up. All right. Well, when I hit stop recording, I'm gonna ask you what it is, but no, I, uh, again, uh, there are good, good people around and, uh, I like to commend people when they're good. We, a lot of times we just tell people how bad they are and tell them negative things. I like to do the opposite. I like to just tell people have positive vibes. You bring positive vibes, Jeremy, and I really appreciate it. I know. a lot of Lions fans really appreciate what you bring to the table. Um, and so you, some, you should be proud of, uh, and you should reap the rewards of the success in this, you know, enjoy this, enjoy this season, um, enjoy what's coming and, uh, you deserve all that. And everyone at Pride of Detroit too, you know, you guys have been great.

Jeremy:

Yeah, of course.

Jason Harwood:

couple of times. You guys have been really welcoming to us. So we appreciate it on our end too.

Jacob:

much appreciated

Jeremy:

Well, thank you guys. I appreciate you having me.

Jason Harwood:

Yeah, so, yeah,

Jacob:

any time. I

Jason Harwood:

you end the show because you had lost your, you know, your show was on hiatus for a little bit. It's my show. I'm going to end it. So, uh, for Jeremy and Jacob, I'm Jason. Let's go Lions.

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