Talking Grit: A Detroit Lions Podcast
Talking Grit: A Detroit Lions Podcast
E48: "Biting Re-Caps" Season Tickets and Injuries oh my! - Week 14: Lions vs Bills
In this episode of 'Talking Grit,' hosts Jason Harwood and Jacob Litton discuss the recent loss of the Buffalo Bills, focusing on the impact of the injuries the Lions sustained and how it affects their season. They share their emotional reactions and delve into the specifics of the game, analyzing both the offense and defense performances. Key points include Jared Goff's impressive but ultimately insufficient five-touchdown performance, the defense's struggles to stop the run, and the critical injuries to key players like Aleem McNeil and Dave Montgomery. They also address the controversy over season ticket price increases and how it could affect fan attendance. The hosts conclude on an optimistic note, emphasizing that the Lions still control their destiny for a playoff spot.
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Welcome to Talking Grit. I'm Jason Harwood and Jacob Litton is here as well. We're gonna recap the week loss of the Buffalo Bills. There's a lot to get into in this game. there's a few things I'm really interested to get your opinion, Jacob, but um, before we get all started with that, Jacob, in one or two words, tell me, describe your feelings regarding the Lions right now.
Jacob:In one to two words. Um, that's tough. Give me a second here.
Jason Harwood:That's tough. That's two of'em.
Jacob:I'll have a good answer for that question.
Jason Harwood:Mine is, mine is just one word, flabbergasted. I cannot fathom what's happened with this team, with the injuries and everything like that. It's just unbelievable.
Jacob:You know, it was one thing if we're talking first reaction right after the game, because the game didn't go how we wanted it to, obviously. Uh, But then the, you know, obviously recording this one Monday night, so the injury news has already came out. We've already gotten word on all the people who are hurting the extensive time that they're going to miss. It's much more deflating today than it was yesterday. I'll say that
Jason Harwood:Yeah. There's something more to worry about than just that one game. It's the rest of the season
Jacob:where this leaves us going forward, right?
Jason Harwood:implication. So, yeah, I, yeah, mine is just, I don't know how this team keeps going. I mean, they will, uh, it's just, You get into the point where you can only handle so much attrition and it's just, I hate to see these injuries derail an awesome season. I mean, the Lions are 12 and two, you know, it's just an amazing, amazing, uh, that this team's gone through. And then, you know, most teams would. Hit a wall when they had the Hutch injury, right? I mean, you have a player that caliber go down, we seem to be playing, you know, really good defense. Even some might say better defense after, you know, just the defensive grown. And they just continue to get better even without Hutch and found a way to win. And now, um, you know, it's just devastating injury after devastating injury and to lose more starters on defense. Yeah. And then, you know, another probably was going to be a starter when Carlton Davis is out. Carlito Dorsey is probably gonna be your starter now he's out too. So now we're going to be figuring out scrambling who's going to be, you know, is mostly going to move up those types of things. And then, you know, we knew about those injuries, right. And then you and I are at work and then the report about Dave Montgomery comes down While I think Gibbs is going to be able to shoulder a lot of that load, it's just, it's just insulted. It's injury upon injury, insult to injury. It's, it's just, hard to fathom. And I feel bad for a guy like Dave Montgomery, who did all the right things in the off season, got himself prepared for the season. And then to go down like this the end, right before the playoffs, that just, it's hard to, hard to stomach.
Jacob:It's just terrible luck here at the end. I mean, it's just injury after injury, week after week. You know, it seems like it's getting a little bit tougher, a little bit tougher. And you know, the fact that we're 12 2 right now, we're still, the playoffs are already locked, like, we already have our playoff spot. Now we're still in a fight trying to get that first round by that we definitely need to get healthier. Um, but you know, the fact of the matter is that the playoffs, we've already locked a playoff spot. We're gonna have our chance in the playoffs, you know, we're not gonna get eliminated like this, the season's not over. We are going to have a playoff game, so I'm not ready to, you know, fold just yet and throw in the cards. This team's not ready to do that either. We, you know, we've been playing next man up for a long time. It worked and this game, it did not, you know.
Jason Harwood:Well, you're playing a possible Superbowl team, right? I mean, that offense was really tough to stop. Even on a good day, we are going to have a tough time, you know, providing stops to that team where we're going to need our offensive play as top of its game. And while we scored 42 points, there, there was still some meat we left on the bone with this offense. Um, you know, we can get into that when we get to the breakdown, but there was still things that this offense could be doing now, the way I look at it. Is we do not play a team on the, you know, the rest of the three games that we have left in the regular season. No one's on the level of the Buffalo Bills, certainly the bears aren't certainly the 49ers aren't with all the injuries that they have incurred and, you know, Minnesota. They're, they're struggling a little bit with the Viking or the bears right now. So, I mean, I, I think that we still have a shot to finish this thing out and get the number one seed. that being said, we get into playoffs, it's going to be tough for competition, but still, you know, the Eagles are the team in the NFC that I'm most worried about that, you know, especially now that it leans down, it's going to hurt our run defense. Um, but when we get Alex's back in the playoffs. That's going to be a big boost to that whole core. Um, and I think that you'll start seeing better, uh, play out of our linebackers when we have Alex back there, but you know, we got to get to that point, but I think that we could, you know, I'm not, I still think that we got a pretty good shot to, Yeah,
Jacob:Definitely. It's not out of the cards. You know, they're the bears that should still be, even with the offense that we have, we should be able, that's where I'm kind of looking at it now is if we take the defense out of the question, can we outscore these teams on their best day? And the answer is yes, we can outscore every single one of these teams that we're going to be playing. But you know, the offense has to be firing on all cylinders. And if you come out sluggish, like we did in this game, we go down quick and it was just ended up being too much to get back.
Jason Harwood:but I mean, I think that for most teams, we're going to be able to weather a three and out at the beginning of the game, it was just, the bills were just scoring consistently and got up on us early and the bills played, played us like how we usually play teams, right? Get up on them early, keep the pressure on them and, you know, maybe they falter along the way or whatever the lines just kept fighting back, you know, say what you want to say the bills in that game, but the lions did not, you Just go away quietly. We've, we fought our way back and I really wish we would have got that Hunzai kick at the end of the game, just to see how that would have really played out, that would have been super exciting. Um, all the people that left Ford field early, I would have loved to see them, you know, out on some late, late game magic, but I wasn't in the cards, unfortunately. Um,
Jacob:The best Lions team we've ever had, and people are leaving Ford Field early.
Jason Harwood:yeah.
Jacob:You should know, if we're going down, we're going down swinging. I mean,
Jason Harwood:I know.
Jacob:definitely not going to lay down and just take it easy and admit defeat.
Jason Harwood:Yeah. You know, I, some of those people probably have a long drive home and they're just thinking I'm going to kick this thing off early. I don't think, I'm not going to judge them too much, you know, on what, what they have going on. Um, we don't leave a game early. Um, that's just my family will, won't, we won't leave a game early. We've had the thoughts of leaving the Titans game earlier, the Jaguars early, but. No, it's just, uh, we're there to the bitter end, win or lose, going to cheer on our team. you know, but again, I don't judge too many other people. I don't, I'm not in their shoes. I don't know what they got going on in their life. Um, it was a later game too. So kids, some of those kids have school. I know like Matt Sotisiak, who we, you know, interviewed, uh, before, you know, he lives four hours away. So I could understand wanting to jet out a little bit early because he's not going to get home till midnight or whatever, if he went to that game yesterday.
Jacob:I suppose. You're making excuses for them. I just can't relate. There's no way I leave any event early. I don't care if it's a baseball game or we're down by 12, I can't leave.
Jason Harwood:no, but I also didn't drive four hours to the game. I mean, maybe my feelings leave a little different and, you know, everyone deals with loss. Losses differently. There's some people that, I mean, our downloads are today are down way down today than they normally would be for a Monday because no one, you know, people want to avoid this pain for a little bit. And I get it. We don't, I don't think you and I are especially jacked about talking after a loss, but fun talking football with you and we'll try to get through this loss together.
Jacob:Eh, we've also been fortunate enough of this, it's only the second time we've had to do this.
Jason Harwood:I know it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I wasn't as worried about it this time as I was the first time. Um, I don't know
Jacob:Yeah, right,
Jason Harwood:doing this for a while or what, or if that was just, cause it was a week two loss and I was realizing I was going to have to talk about it afterwards, but doing what we do and doing this, um, it actually keeps my focus outside of, you know, I got, I got a, I know this is not a job, but sometimes it feels like there's a responsibility to put on a good show. And so we got to, you know, put our, Remind to whatever we got to do, but
Jacob:right. Keep the emotions in check a little bit.
Jason Harwood:yeah. And that's the way I do feel like as a dad too. I got to keep my emotions in check. Uh, you know, my two boys handled, handled this a lot differently. My youngest, Bradley, was very emotional, almost from the get go, and that's kind of him normal, like, if he just, you know, goes to doom and gloom if the other team scores at any point early in the game. And so he just had to leave the, our seats for a little bit. Preston was actually really good. I, I was My oldest, I was kind of expecting him to be really upset, but I think at the end of the day, he knew we're in the playoffs. This is a tough game. And the fact that, you know, we went, you know, what do we have? 11 wins in a row, 12, yeah, 11 wins in a row. So, you know, we're going to have to lose some of these games and it just happened to be the game we were at, which was unfortunate, but got to learn to deal with that stuff.
Jacob:Well, and like you said, this is against probably the top team in the AFC. We knew it was going to be a big matchup that didn't hold too much weight. You never want to lose, but I mean, if you, if you had to pick a game to lose on the rest of the schedule, this would probably be the one. Especially, you know, if you said before you're going to lose by six to the bills. It's like, OK, you know what? I can live with that.
Jason Harwood:Yeah.
Jacob:you know, the way the game went and how the points laid out and the aftermath, that's what stings more so than the loss itself.
Jason Harwood:Yeah. I mean, I know that the game was ended by six, but this felt like more like a reverse Packers game to me. Like, um, when we went into Lambo and one, like it got closer, like what, within 10 at the end, but really when you watch that game, it was never that close. And I feel like if you're a Buffalo fan, you're probably feeling the same way that, yeah, it might've ended six points, but it was probably over before that. Um, let's talk about the onsite kick. Uh, that's a hot button topic. was your first thought when you heard they were going for an onsite kick? Cause now you have to announce that you're going for an onsite kick. So, you know, what's coming up. What was your first thought when we're like, we're going to do an onsite kick. Yeah.
Jacob:and everything. And here we are in the situation. Um, yeah, you know, definitely unorthodox, right? It was like, okay, you know, this is kind of crazy. It's not like, uh, you know, the game's over 4th quarter, but. Yeah. It's one of those things, that's the kind of stuff that we do, that's the kind of calls that Dan Campbell makes. Obviously we wish we wouldn't have given up that return all the way down and given a short touchdown again right away. But, you know, hindsight's 20 20. I was okay with it though. What were your thoughts?
Jason Harwood:So my whole, the boys and Sarah looked at me and like, why are they doing that? And I'm, I'm trying to process it. I'm like, what, what is the advantage of doing this? Why are we doing it now? My thought was, Dan Campbell just thought our defense is not stopping them at all. We need to steal a possession. And why wait to the end of the game to try to steal that possession? We need to, you know, Let's do it now, you know, I'm sure he did not anticipate like a 50 yard return on that and get down, into the red zone. I mean, that, that makes it look worse than really what it was. I mean, ideally at that point, you're up by 10. You're hoping to give it to him, you know, at the 40 or the 50 or what, you know, close in that area. Hold them to a field goal. Then we get within now we go down score touchdown. Then we're within six. I mean, that's ideally how I looked at, you know, what Dan Campbell was thinking about. If we don't get it, have to stop for a field goal. Well, you know, they end up returning it made it look really bad. It's hard to stop Josh Allen in the red zone. Um, I was trying to figure it out, but it. People are thinking it's like an egregious decision or whatever, or he's being greedy. And at some point you're going to have to kick an on site kick.
Jacob:But you know, it's funny because the second onside kick that we had was much closer, uh, you know, to being a recovery. And how sweet would that have been?
Jason Harwood:Everyone in the stadium held their breath when I was in there because it looked, you know, the whole team was claiming that we had got all of lions were claiming that we had
Jacob:Uh, yeah, they were back and forth.
Jason Harwood:and it, you know, and then they showed a replay. It was hard to tell, um, who had actually got that, but Jake Bates was right in there with it. He was, he was trying to get that ball.
Jacob:I mean, I think he probably had a decent shot at it, but there's a fight in the bottom of that pile. And the kicker is usually not going to win that.
Jason Harwood:No, they're not, but he almost caught them off guard cause you know, we had kicked it all the way to, to my right and then this one, he acted like he was going to kick right. And then try to it out the middle. Cause everyone went that player that was in the middle. I don't know who it was for
Jacob:was a linebacker.
Jason Harwood:Yeah. He like scoot, like his momentum was carrying him away. It was, it was close, but it just wasn't
Jacob:I mean, honestly, if you're able to rip it away in the bottom of the pile, that's our ball, because that's what it came down to. There's a fight for it.
Jason Harwood:Yeah, exactly. I mean, it would have taken another one of our players to just hit that player and just hopefully the ball dislodges. And then, yeah, we just come up with it. It was super close and that would have been, I would have just loved to have the opportunity 12 seconds left, you know, 40, you probably had like three, two or three plays, depending on how quick you were to get them out. Um, we had two timeouts, so you
Jacob:Right?
Jason Harwood:on the field because if you'd have caught it, they could have just kneeled down and called timeout immediately. you know, the hook and ladder, which they ran on that, last drive the Lions had, they could have ran that again. Um,
Jacob:That was that fourth downplay. That was nice.
Jason Harwood:yeah. The person next to me in the stands like, where was that the rest of the game? Like, well, we can't just constantly run the hook and ladder
Jacob:Yeah, you
Jason Harwood:um, yeah, it was crazy. People are up in our arms about that onside kick, but to me it was a 50 50 call. I could argue either way. It feels like it would have been a slower death had we just kicked it cause we couldn't, we can get into it and we get into the units, but we just could not stop them enough to get the ball back and force a So, you know, it is
Jacob:got to try something and I mean, that's what we went for
Jason Harwood:Exactly. Um, the other big story that we had this week or season ticket price, uh, season ticket prices went up. we'll save that for the end. Cause we'll just going to go into this game. If you want to hear some talk about that, um, I have season tickets. Obviously everyone knows that if you listen to the show a lot. Jacob does not. So kind of get both of our perspectives on that. Uh, we'll talk about that at the end. So already mentioned about the season ending injuries, Carlton Davis, broken jaw, Dan Campbell, didn't declare him out for the playoffs in this. So that was kind of a, see how it goes thing. So we don't really know about that, but Eileen McNeil tore his ACL, which it sucks for right now, but it also possibly sucks for next year. Cause that's a six to 12 month. Recovery, on a lot of different factors. So, I mean, you're talking about October to playoff time next year, um, when we would get a lean back, which that stinks. Um, cause that's not affecting this year and it's going to affect. You know, the beginning of next year, Cleo Dorsey, broke his leg. very similar to the Hutch injury, bad luck. He was about to be in line with the starting role with Carleton Davis going out and then Dave Montgomery with a sprained MCL. they were going in to do surgery today. His season's done. So Davis possibly be back, but the other three players, they're out. Anything on those?
Jacob:just devastating. Really? I mean, the worst possible. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a weird way to kick us when we're already down after the loss and then find out, you know, core members of the team are not gonna, you know, be with us for the rest of the, you know, potentially the rest of the season. Carlton Davis, uh, would have an outside chance at the NFC Championship game, so there's You know, possible hope there, but I mean, we need him now. He's a crucial part of the team, as was Aleem McNeil. And, you know, obviously we can't say enough positive things about David Montgomery. The only thing, the only thing we have going for us there is that we have Jameer Gibbs also. The reason that works so well is because they complement each other and because they don't have to be out there for, you know, 30 snaps a game. And now it seems like we're going to have to rely on Gibbs a whole lot more than we have been. Which is up to the challenge. I mean, I'm not worried about that. I'm more, you know, it's back to the defense. Most of our injuries have been on defense and it's just not getting any better. We do have Anzaloni's going to be coming back. We, you know, don't know for sure about Iffy, Rake Straw. You know, potentially we've got them coming back soon, but are they going to be able to come back and play more or, you know, play up to their speed? How long is it going to take for them to get up to game speed? And
Jason Harwood:Yeah, if he could be a help be a solution at the linebacker position, or, you know, there's got a lot of switching around. You could put Brian, you could put if he had safety, put Brian branch down at nickel move a meek outside. There's a lot of, you know, we saw mostly back to, and he's been inactive. So he's probably going to get an opportunity to play. I would think now. So there's a lot of moving parts there. Right. We'll see how that all works out. But, um, you know, I don't know if you saw it today, Jacob or not, but Dan Campbell said that they're starting, if he's, he's coming to back to practice this week, so they're starting his 21 day window, so they, he said that there's even a chance that he could be active this week, uh, he didn't. He didn't sound like overly optimistic that that would be happen, but that is a possibility. But they'll have to make that decision in 3 weeks. My thinking is if they think he's ready, he's probably gonna come back earlier than, they normally wait on these injured players just because we really don't have a lot of options. Lions also signed Anthony Pittman linebacker off the Jaguar, you know, former line off, uh, buddy off the Jaguars practice squad today to help out with these injuries. So we'll, I don't know. We're, uh, We're just stealing everybody's practice squad players at this point.
Jacob:I have to, right? We need people in football shape. We got to plug and play.
Jason Harwood:Yeah, it's going to be a tough deal, but you know, you get someone that's somewhat familiar with the system. you know, like you said, football shape, he's been on a practice squad. He's not been sitting on a couch, so he's ready to come in and play. And so we're going to have to go. All right. Anything before we get into the individual units here, Jacob.
Jacob:Nope. Let's go for it.
Jason Harwood:All right. So special teams, uh, real quick, Jake Bates, six for six on extra points, but he had a really bad miss on that 52 yarder. I'm still trying to figure out what happened there.
Jacob:Yeah. I mean, probably the worst kick we've ever seen him attempt and any, like even training camp or anything. I don't, you know, and I watched it a couple of times. It didn't look like there was a bad snap. It didn't look like there was a bad hold. It didn't look like he slipped or like his timing was off. It was just a terrible kick. He missed the net.
Jason Harwood:I know I saw it and I was like, live. I'm like, what happened? I thought for sure something had a bad snap or something. And so I'm messaging you and you're like, no, I just think he just shanked it.
Jacob:Yeah.
Jason Harwood:bad.
Jacob:And the timing of it, you know, the Bills had just missed their kick. We were trying to get some points. This is our chance to try to catch up. We already can't get it done. We have to settle for a field goal. And then, you know, for it to be a miss was Not good for the momentum that we needed.
Jason Harwood:I know. Yeah, it would have been, I mean, I really wanted him to go down and score a touchdown at that point. Um, but yeah, getting the field goal was, uh, would have been a nice consolation prize, but then to end with no points, that, that really, that really stunk. Uh, Jack Fox, um, Had a good game, three punts average of 55. 7. I remember his first punt was not that great, but he did flip the field on his next two and made up for it. So again, solid game for Jack Fox. Too bad we had to use them. I like those games when he just sits on the bench the whole time, except for holding extra points. But, know, he is a useful tool and we have to use him.
Jacob:Exactly. He did his job.
Jason Harwood:He did. right. Defense. So for me, you know, you have Josh Allen, who's, you know, Uh, as Dan Campbell said, as Superman did it, did things. But for me, what was really stuck out from us is that we did not stop the run. We needed to stop that run so they could get out of second and third and short. And cause that could make Josh Allen super dangerous. And we just could not do it the whole game. It was, the worst run defense game. I've seen him play it in a long time
Jacob:Yeah, I mean, their running backs in the running game and in the, you know, passing game, their running backs were just tearing us apart.
Jason Harwood:ago.
Jacob:Really was a difference maker.
Jason Harwood:Yeah.
Jacob:really had, I think the, they had two really long runs, I think the one was a touchdown run, but I mean, you know, they were consistently moving the ball, consistently getting first downs. Josh Allen using his legs didn't help either.
Jason Harwood:Josh Allen had 11 rushes for 68 yards. There was a RPL one at like was a third, fourth quarter where he had a huge run. But for the most part, we kind of kept him in check for the running, but, James cook 14 carries for 105 yards. The next shot is he had 52 yards before contact, which is a terrible. And that's what it looked like. He was getting four yards, four or five yards before he was even touched, which is very unlike our, our defense. And that was even early when we had reader and Aleem in there, I, it, our linebackers were just not
Jacob:Right.
Jason Harwood:well this game.
Jacob:Most of these were zone scheme runs that were kind of leaning towards the outside and they, they had the holes, the edge was not set by the edge defenders and the linebackers were either crashing in, or they were so far back. They were not able to make plays on it, you know, for all the success that we had with, you know, we talked about all these new players and these guys off the street and how well the defense played last week, it was the exact opposite. This week. This was more what you would expect it to look like on a physician. They're not making plays, you know, it. It was just a great game plan by the bills to, you know, they were using motion. They were trying to figure out, they knew we were in man. We run so much man defense. They were exploiting, you know, anytime you have Ezekiel Turner or Kwan Alexander trying to cover the running back out of the backfield. You know, it's all it takes is Josh Allen to create just a couple extra seconds of time, and those guys are gonna get open, they're gonna beat those linebackers, and that's exactly what happened, and that was just, you know, it kept the drives going, it kept these big chunk plays, they were 5 out of 10 on 3rd down, I think they were, they had one 4th down attempt, and they ended up getting a huge gain on that. And that was just, you know, that was a brilliant play. I don't know what more that was Ezekiel Turner. Again, it was a chip play, you know, right there in the line. He's on a running back.
Jason Harwood:Yeah,
Jacob:you know, you have to call it like it is they They're here now. We need them now I have faith that the defense is going to play better and that the you know Coaching staff is going to have them more prepared, but you can't ignore the talent, you know I don't know if you say talent deficiency or just the talent difference between james cook versus you know Ezekiel turner ben neiman kwan alexander's best years are behind him for sure You We're asking a lot of the linebackers and they definitely, uh, were not prepared this game. And I think it really came down to the coaching and the scheme that they had. What are your thoughts?
Jason Harwood:Buffalo seemed to have, whatever advantage they had, they just took advantage of it repeatedly. And then the lines weren't quick enough to adapt. It's, this is the game where I think that we mixed, missed Alex Antoloni the, the word, most, like we could have, you really used Alex and Malcolm to be honest with you. Those two guys, They just, they just took advantage of using Ty Johnson. He's using him and he had his career. I think probably his career high and receiving our linebackers just going to keep up. It was a third down killer for us. And like you said, Josh Allen just needed a little bit of extra time and he was able to. To get that we were not able to get a crunching pressure he was able to escape out of there and then you know Josh Allen didn't have to be superman the whole game, but the few times that he had to turn into superman turned into him
Jacob:If you think of, the starting defensive line, we went with Levi and, um, it was Levi and Pascal on the outsides.
Jason Harwood:Yeah
Jacob:I mean, did you like that? Did you think that was, you know, Zidarius didn't play a whole lot of snaps in this game?
Jason Harwood:Yeah, I think
Jacob:I question that decision.
Jason Harwood:Yeah, no, I'm with you on that. I think they were just trying to set the edge. But obviously that didn't work. We weren't able to set the edge. I think that's what they're hoping to do is thinking that we're going to just try to provide a crunch on defense. with power, Levi can do power, or he could do a little speed, uh, try to, try to just keep Josh Allen inside the pocket, but none of it worked. But Josh Allen is going to be, if he wasn't the MVP before this game, this solidified it. I mean, Josh Allen tore a Superbowl contending team apart.
Jacob:Yeah, I mean, I think he already was MVP, but you're right, now he's just kind of padding on to that for sure. But yeah, I just, you know, you need to be on the outside. You need to be able to contain, you need to be able to beat him to the outside. That was never going to happen with those two, uh, defenders that we had.
Jason Harwood:No.
Jacob:do, you know, they are good edge defenders. Pascal definitely can crash down the line, but you know, there were a couple opportunities there where you saw he had Josh Allen right there, or I think James Cook also kind of like on the outside, it's just not fast enough to get out there.
Jason Harwood:Yep,
Jacob:thing that's painful to watch because that's exactly what Hutch would just completely blow that up. You're not getting away from Hutch like you're getting away from, uh, Pascal.
Jason Harwood:Yep. No, I mean I think we talked about it after when Hutch went down that I was worried, really worried about the run game with Hutch'cause he is so good at both. And it just, you know, it is what it is. We just needed to, we needed to shut that down even if we'd have shut down the run game at the way Josh Allen was playing and. The way they're, you know, the slot receiver Shakir and. Ty Johnson were getting open down the field that when Josh Allen extended the play, it had been hard to, hard to stop them. But when it was a third and five, it just made it really, really impossible to stop them.
Jacob:Yeah, I mean, Josh Allen, 362 passing yards, but if you look at the breakdown, I mean, these were not, these were not his receivers beating our secondary. I mean, this was tight ends and running backs that were beating our linebackers. That's where the offense came from.
Jason Harwood:yeah. Mari Cooper had, um, what? Zero yards in that game, right?
Jacob:I don't even know if he was targeted, was he?
Jason Harwood:Yeah. I don't think he was, I mean, he didn't do anything. So he
Jacob:Right.
Jason Harwood:fantasy teams, I'm sure in the first round of the
Jacob:Yeah.
Jason Harwood:What's your thought on the whole, you know, Aaron Glenn is going to get a head coaching job and now the Lions fan base, you know, thinks he should be run out of town after one game. What's your thoughts on that?
Jacob:I hate that. I mean, you know, look who you're, look who we're putting out there. Like we've had the most injuries of any team, twice as many people on IR is the next team I believe. And most of it's these key defenders and the defense is still playing at a high level. This is one of the best offensive teams in football. I don't know what, you know, what more you could have really expected. We knew what it was. And I'm sure that Aaron Glenn found out from the first quarter, okay, they're going to be targeting our linebackers. What do you want them to do? We can't get a different line backer in the time.
Jason Harwood:Yeah. Yeah. I, I don't know what people's expectations are, with the Baltimore game last year was a kick in the teeth. Right. I mean, and sometimes it's helpful to have that and I'd rather have it now than in the playoffs. Right. I'd rather get that kick in the teeth now and that feeling of invincibility gone. I'd rather have that now and just. I'm not saying this team needed that by any means, but if we're going to get it, I'd rather get it now rather than in the playoffs. So let's get that taste of a loss. No one likes it. The, I know the players don't like it. Dan Campbell's not going to like it. Aaron Glenn certainly doesn't like it there. You know, let's take it out on the bears next week and then let's take it out on the 49ers the following week and let's win this division against the Vikings in the last week. If we don't get any help along the way, let's just do it ourselves and win this. And I, you know, maybe it's because the fan base hasn't tasted a loss in a long time, but they lost their freaking mind. They really have like
Jacob:Yeah,
Jason Harwood:social media stuff is insane. You
Jacob:you got to remember a lot of these fans, uh, we're not lifelong lions fans. They have not, they haven't been used to these kinds of, uh, defeats and different things like that. So as quick as they jumped on the bandwagon, they'll jump right off.
Jason Harwood:yeah, but I, I don't even know if it's that I just think it's, there's some people that just, you know, want to complain about everything and, know, think we should win every game, like the Jaguars game, 52 to six. And if we're not, then our coaches are terrible. You know, what was that our best coach game? Probably not. But what. know, I don't know, like you said, what are we going to do? We can't get new linebackers at halftime. We can't, we got to play with what we have. When we get to the offense, the offense, we could have done more on offense, right? If our defense is that down, we could have done more on offense. Let's get over to that. Let's talk about that. So when you think about the offense, where, where do you want to start?
Jacob:I mean, obviously the most glaring part of the game is that our, our running game was just shut down and that was just disappointing. And, you know, First two drives, we have three, three yards total. The first two drives, I believe. And you know, we watch Buffalo go on these long drives and score. I know you've said it earlier, but it really was like the opposite. It's usually what we do to these other teams. We have these drives, we score quick, we keep pouring it on and it just wasn't happening. And a big part of that was just the running game was not working. Silence.
Jason Harwood:going to be hard to win any game in which you're doing that. It's going to take a monumental effort by your quarterback to do that. And golf did have a monumental effort. 38 for 59, 494 yards, almost 500 and five touchdowns. I and beyond all that, I'm going to say those numbers look amazing, but watching the game and golf's ability to move in the pocket, run for some first downs, just get odd, like out of for sure sacks, I guaranteed like he had three or four more sacks last year than what he had in this game, just because he was able to get out of it and then. Some of it was just throwaway passes. Some of it, he was able to complete like the touchdown pass to, Patrick. That was, he ran and made that defense commit to him and he knew he had Patrick on the outside. And that was, I, I know that golf did that on purpose, just watching it over and over again. He did that. He drew him in and passed off. So, um, I really liked what I saw from golf in this game.
Jacob:Yeah, I mean, he had another big, you know, 10 yard run for a first down another one where it looks like he's moving slow motion compared to everyone else. But you're right. You know, he's using his legs. He's extending plays. It was funny after their, uh, first touchdown, started, I guess the Bills fans were chanting MVP after Josh Allen's touchdown. So then Goff responds, they start chanting MVP for Goff too. So that was a fun little back and forth. I don't know if you saw this, but Goff is the first quarterback in NFL history. So he threw five interceptions and we won the game. And now he throws five touchdowns and we lose the game.
Jason Harwood:Yeah.
Jacob:First time it's ever happened.
Jason Harwood:Yeah. I told Sarah that that's a disco anomaly on the way home that I was, I was like thinking about the game. I'm like, he threw five touchdowns and we lost. Yeah. And the Texas game was the opposite. Uh, crazy. The dueling MVP chance was a fun part of the game. There's more bills fans at this stadium than I would have liked there to be, but Buffalo is relatively close, you know, big matchup. I was not surprised that. There was a lot of Buffalo fans there. Um, but yeah, the dueling and BB chances. was, it was fun. I enjoyed that part of it. Um, I don't think the Lions fans were ever drowned out by that, I had, I think like a couple of bills, fans at my section. But everything was cool. And every Bill's fan that I saw out there was, was pretty cool. I didn't see anybody else getting rowdy or being, you know, rude or anything. So it was all right.
Jacob:Didn't witness anybody flying through any tables on the way there.
Jason Harwood:I wanted to throw someone through a table after the game,
Jacob:Yeah.
Jason Harwood:of how they were acting, but just cause I was mad that the bills beat us. We talk about the run game and what the Bills were able to do with this, Ed Oliver just tore us up again. Um, just like he did in that Thanksgiving Day game, he dominated Glasgow. He had 10, he had 10 pressures on 42 pass rushes. The most of any game. That he's had in any game this season. I think it's been the most by a defensive tackle in any game this season. Just, um, yeah, he just tore us up and he got in the backfield and then disrupted the run game.
Jacob:He got the rag now a couple times too. I mean, Frank had a couple holding penalties. I don't know if it was on Oliver, but I mean, he, you know, him and Graham were definitely getting blown up in the middle. It did not help the cause.
Jason Harwood:No, it did not. Um, you know, which is crazy, you know, golf was only sack three times in that game and then, yeah, and especially the second half when they knew we were just passing the whole time. I mean, we were down by three scores, two or three scores. Trying to, you know, enter our way back into the game and they knew we were going to have to pass. And, uh, you know, Goff still did his thing. I, Ra had an amazing game outside of the fumble, which that was, you know, you talked about the run game, that fumble, we gave up another possession and we couldn't, we couldn't afford to do that in a game like this.
Jacob:Yeah, we only had a couple opportunities to really make something happen, and we, you know, we didn't. Really, they had that missed kick. So they missed that kick, it's towards the end of halftime, uh, and it was a 24 yarder, so I mean, that was almost a give me, and he misses that, so then we've got, you know, a little less than two minutes to go downfield, and we're down by a touchdown, so, I mean, if we punched it in the end zone there, it's a tie game at halftime, and then we're good, you know, then we're all feeling much better, we've got some of the momentum back. Not able to get it done. And then we miss a field goal too. That's a missed opportunity there. And then that fumble was off of, you know, the only punt that we had that we forced, you know, we force a punt for the bills, you know, it was a nice punt, former lion, Sam Martin, uh, you know, so we're starting to drive inside our own five and we're moving in a little bit and then we've got that fumble and then to make matters worse that at that point we're down by two touchdowns, but after the fumble, they drive down and score. And then here we are, now we're down 35 to 14, and that's towards the end of the third quarter, and that's probably when fans, uh, started thinking about the exits. That's when things started to look pretty grim.
Jason Harwood:Yeah, I don't know if people started leaving that early. There might've been a few, but most of them, it was in the middle of the fourth quarter. I, I, some people at the onside kick, that was when they, they had enough. Um, but you know, let's talk about a couple of the bright spots in the game. Dan Skipper finally got a touchdown, right? I mean,
Jacob:Right?
Jason Harwood:that was awesome. The crowd still cheers every time they say number 70 is eligible. And this time we had something to even cheer about even more because Dan Skipper, you know, he Fake sound like he's going to block and then he runs out golf gets in the past and he went to rumbling and stumbling into the end zone I think eight yards for the touchdown you know it was close as the replay was his knee was down but I was so glad they didn't call that back and they gave him the touchdown
Jacob:Right? Yeah. No, he was wide open. They closed in on him. You know, I was, I was surprised that they still tried to take him down because he's pretty much in the end zone. He's a big guy. I mean, one of the biggest guys you're going to come across and the bills, I don't know what defender it was. He still went low. He still, you know, tried to hit him. I thought skipper should have tried to hurdle him, but you know, he went for lowering the shoulder.
Jason Harwood:we can't any more injuries Um, so I don't want a six foot nine through there.
Jacob:can you imagine if he pulled off a hurdle there?
Jason Harwood:Yeah. Well, do you think that Dan Skipper can hurdle?
Jacob:No, you can't get very high off the ground. No,
Jason Harwood:he could maybe dive,
Jacob:right. If he leaves the air, they're flipping him for the
Jason Harwood:Um, you know, the other cool play that there was that trick play, they off to Dave Montgomery and he tosses it back to Goff and then Goff, you know, gets that completion. That was a pretty cool play too.
Jacob:It was. And then you already mentioned, you know, they had the hook and ladder again. They were mixing things up on offense. I mean, the offense was moving the ball. If you didn't watch this game, and you just saw the final score, and you just looked at the stats, you'd probably think that it wasn't so bad, it's just, you know, the feeling that we got, every time, you know, it just felt like every time the Bills got the ball, that they were moving it, and that we weren't going to be able to stop them, even when we got them on third down situation, Josh Allen was just able to move around too well, even, you know, I know Dan Campbell said in the presser, even when they had a spy, even when they had a spy on him, he just wasn't able to get there in enough time. He's creating too much time back there. Then you don't know if he's really taking off or if he's throwing a downfield because he's doing both things, just, you know, what a weapon Josh Allen is. It's very hard to defend. And I know, I don't know if you watch the replay, there was a graphic that came up to that the lions actually give up the most rushing yards of quarterbacks this year.
Jason Harwood:Yeah, and that, I mean, that's the way it feels too. I'm okay with most of it because usually we're up and they're doing that, you know, whatever they can do to do the game. I thought we kept Kyler Murray pretty much in check. You know, I don't remember anyone really, you know, Anthony Richardson on the first drive tore us up, but then after that didn't do too much to us, Josh Allen just ripped us up, you know, this game and like he said, he's the MVP for a reason. I don't know what else to say other than that, you know, we're going to take this loss in stride as far as our offense, we were five and five for touchdowns in the red zone, which you love. I mean, we.
Jacob:Always. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Great.
Jason Harwood:let them get out in front and we couldn't ever provide the stop. And then the one turnover just derailed it, even when we were trying to Mount and come back. So. There were things that we could have did on offense to keep, I mean, the offense is going to have to play pretty. perfect football in a game like this to win. Hopefully we have like a more margin for error and, you know, week, first, the bears, Caleb Williams, you know, he can make a mistake. We don't have to, you know, hopefully Gibbs can
Jacob:Let's go.
Jason Harwood:more opportunities rushing our Gibbs tour at Thanksgiving tour, the bears up until we didn't rush in the second half. Well, now Gibbs is going to be our. Running back or bell cow. So we'll, we'll have to have that, that opportunity next week and see how he does. Hopefully the
Jacob:Yeah,
Jason Harwood:too crazy.
Jacob:not every team is going to be able to put up 48 points like that on us. It's just not going to happen.
Jason Harwood:No.
Jacob:I would think none of the other teams on the schedule are going to be able to put up as many points as the Bills did.
Jason Harwood:I agree. I agree. And I think, um, I mean, the Vikings have that opportunity, but I also think that. You know, Sam Darnold's not Josh Allen. So, uh, that's
Jacob:right.
Jason Harwood:the understatement of the century maybe there, but I think that we can, you know, we'll be able to handle him a lot easier than we would. Um, would Josh Allen, um, know, don't really have much else to say about, about the game, other than those things, is there anything else that comes to your mind or that you wanted to talk about,
Jacob:No, I think my main point, you know, For a lot of the fans that seem to, you know, the sky is falling better luck next year. It's not over yet. We're not willing to call it, you know, we're not willing to call it quits. We're not willing to, you know, just say that the season is over. The playoffs are already a lock. You know, we don't have to, you know, fight for a playoff spot. We're fighting for the division. We're still fighting for the one seed. And we still have control of all those things. I mean, that's, you know, the balls on our court. So, you know, it's definitely still doable. I don't have the odds in front of me, but I would still say the odds probably favor us in these situations still.
Jason Harwood:we're favored next week for, I think we're going to be favored. the next two games, probably all three games. Cause we got Minnesota at home. So I think we'll be favored through the rest of the three games. guess how I process this loss is yeah. I I'm disappointed that they lost. It's not the end of the world. Like you said, if you're going to lose one of the last four games, this was the one to lose because it was against an AFC point opponent, which when the tie breakers, especially with the Eagles. this is the one to lose because, um, conference opponents is one of your tiebreakers and we only have one lost, uh, conference opponent at this point, the Bucks, whereas the Eagles have two losses, both their losses come against conference opponents. So that puts us in a good position. If we went out, doesn't matter what the Eagles do. So we still control our own destiny. As far as the number one NFC seed, I'm just disappointed with the injuries, how it looks forward. But at the end of the day, like the injuries are some that the lions can't control. I know that people want to say, well, is it the training staff? Blah, blah, blah, those broken legs that Hutch and Dorsey have not, no training staff is ever going to prevent that from happening. Those are just freak injuries. Same thing with Anzalone broken. Wrist injury. It just happened. Branch just hit it in a weird spot. You know, you might say, well, we're overly aggressive and that, that caused that, but that overly aggressive makes us be a good defense. So you're going to shut that down. I, I, I don't know how you tell the guys to play it. 90 percent 90 percent speed. You don't, uh, the ACL injury to Aleem, that wasn't a training issue, Malcolm Rodriguez had an ACL injury. You know, those are just freak injuries that happen. That's not because they weren't, they're not in shape or they're not doing the right stuff as those are just freak injuries that happen
Jacob:And I mean, we have the same staff that we had last year and we didn't have half as many injuries last year. It's nothing to do with the, you know, the strength and conditioning coach or the nutritionist or like, I mean, that's all just ridiculous.
Jason Harwood:You could argue having all those games in a short period of time you know, could contribute to some injuries for sure. wear and tear on the body. Um, but that's nothing the Lions did. That's the NFL scheduled those, those games. Those games. And they're not going to stop scheduling Thursday night games. They make too much money on this stuff. They're, you know, they want to add an 18th game to the schedule, another game. So we'll see how that works. I hope if they do that, they add an extra bi week. Um, I think a second bi week would really help everything. You'd have like a first half bi and a second half bi. So you couldn't have like, Buys really close together. They'd have to be like, know, what, five or six weeks apart at the minimum,
Jacob:It would be much easier than to also try to have your bi play into like the, some of these Thursday night games too.
Jason Harwood:yes. Yeah. And if you're going to have a Thursday night game, you get the Sunday off before that. Um, and if you had two buys, you could easily work that out much better than, you know, Then the way it, the way it is now, or if you're going to have an international game, you get, you know, either buy off before or after something like that. Just give your body some time to recover. So I think two buys allows that. So if they're going to go to 18 games, I think they just need to do. You know, just add that extra by week and then you back up Super Bowl week by a week or whatever. And then it is what it is. Season will get longer. Um, it's going to happen. 18th game is going to happen. There's no doubt about that. They don't, no one wants the seven odd 17th week.
Jacob:Right?
Jason Harwood:It's the owners want it to happen. They just couldn't institute it, you know, without player approval, but by the next contract and 18th games coming, all right, let's, uh, real quick. Well, before we get to the season ticket talk, we're great guarantees. We were both, uh, Negatory because both of ours dealt with turnovers and we didn't get any, so, sucked on that one, but that's, uh, that's, that's the way that goes. Um, and then we both said, go for the under, right? I think both of us once said, let's, let's. We'd go for the under, uh, dead wrong. Don't listen
Jacob:Silence.
Jason Harwood:no, we just happened to get that one wrong. Um, it was a high scoring game. Couldn't, couldn't stop them. So, uh, before we head out of here, I want to talk about season ticket prices, my opinion on that. I know a lot of people were up in arms. No one's talking about that now because of the loss this week. But, Mine went up about 20%, which is like 1, 000, like 250 per seat. Am I happy about paying more money? No. Do I get it? Yeah, I understand it. If I was owning a business, would I take advantage of a 20, 000, uh, person waitlist on for season tickets? Cause they know if I cancel, someone's going to easily take those tickets. don't think the Lions owe me anything. As as a fan to do that, however, I could understand if you've had season tickets for 20 years and some of those people have seen like 100 percent increase in the last three years. I get it. You know, I understand, but the way I also look at is they didn't increase. We were the lowest lines were the lowest for ticket prices for, you know, starting three years ago. Um, and now all of a sudden now we're going to be in the middle of the pack. And that's why you're seeing these large increases. Mine didn't increase as much cause I just got mine two years ago. So, know, I started in the middle of this increase. So do you have any thoughts about season ticket price increase or anything about that as someone who doesn't have season tickets, Jacob?
Jacob:Yeah, so I don't have season tickets. I've already kind of been priced out. I mean, a lot of people are probably in the same boat that I am where, you know, you're a diehard fan and you want to go see a game. I have four kids and it would be impossible for me to, you know, take my kids and take my family to a lions game this year or last year, just because of, you know, how much they're charging for the aftermarket prices and everything like that, too. I've already been priced out of that. So I do think, you know. You have to understand the business aspect, the success the team has had, and you know, the entertainment value, I guess you would say. They have that ability to charge whatever they want to charge for these, and they've got people that are going to pay for them. But I do want to say I think that the, you know, the diehard fans that should be there are not going to be there, because there's probably a great deal of them that have been priced out, and you've got people that, you know, can afford the season tickets that are. Either going to be selling them to opposing teams or, you know, they're trying to make a profit off of it. Or those are the people that, you know, every time I go to the game, I look at the first couple of rows and see the people that don't show up until, you know, kickoff or like a little bit after the first quarter. And those are the people that don't care as much. And they're probably the ones that are leaving in the fourth too, if we're down. So the level of fandom is probably going to be taking a hit because of that. But at the same time, it's got to be expected, right? I mean, I know you knew that it was going to be an increase. I think everyone knew that it was going to be going up again. What also sucks is if the product on the field doesn't match and then, you know, for people that are trying to resell or for people that are trying to get your money now, you know, if a season had went a different way, you're on the hook for all that money. And now you, you know, you can't even give away your tickets for the Vikings game at the end of the year, which is what I'm sure people went through for years and years.
Jason Harwood:Yeah, And I think that that's the thing is like, you could look at the secondary market and this is the argument against the price increases that lines be like, well, you could sell your tickets for, you know, twice what you paid for them. Well, that incurs a lot of risk on my part, because the season could have gone a lot different with the injuries. We could have lost like five in a row or whatever, cause of these injuries. And then all of a sudden, like you said, um, the Buffalo game is, not as sought after the Vikings game, That may not be sought, you know, depends on how things go here. That may be a really sought after ticket or not sought after ticket. But I'm as a season ticket on, I'm taking all that risk. The Lions have already sold that ticket. they're passing that extra cost to me. they're reducing, it's getting closer and closer to the secondary market value. At some point, there's going to be. People are going to just not be able to afford to pay for a game. That's going to happen at some point. And I don't like that aspect of it. I don't have the answer for you, I will say that, know, ask me 10 years ago, if the people I'd season tickets, if you'd have said, Hey, if your season tickets go up by 50 percent and, but we're going to put a team that's possibly a Superbowl winner in there, would you pay it? And I guarantee. That a hundred percent of those people would say, yes, I will pay, pay to see my team in that Superbowl. Now, now when you're actually telling them the price has gone up, going to be upset and be like, well, I paid for years and I saw a bunch of crap. Now they're playing good and the prices are going up. that's just the way things are. Tigers are going to be doing the same thing. They start making playoffs. I guarantee you that to get your season ticket prices are going to go up because they know that people are going to be willing to pay for a winner. That's just the reality of the situation.
Jacob:I do wish there was some sort of way you could, uh, you know, they'd have some sort of discount or some sort of grandfathered in rate or something. You know, people that have had season tickets for like 30 plus years.
Jason Harwood:yeah, well, I think if you had 10 plus years, you should, there could be a way to do that or, you know, say, um, you know, say you've used all your tickets and you've never sold them. You know, that's sell some of my tickets just cause family stuff, or, you know, I, I, it's just hard for me. And I know there's other people that are in that same boat where you just can't make every game. So you sell them and it's not necessarily, I mean, to make the money is nice because it helps pay for next year's tickets, but I'm not, that's not the only reason I'm selling tickets, but I know there's probably other people that are selling tickets just so they could afford to have any sort of season tickets. You know, like you said, family of four trying to go. crazy expensive. You know, if you're buying the Buffalo bills game, that's probably a minimum of like 1, 600 to go to a game like that. And that doesn't including parking and food and all that stuff. That's just ticket prices.
Jacob:Yeah. I mean, that was, you know, 300 a ticket for standing room only or something like that.
Jason Harwood:Yeah, and they're standing room only area sucks. So I would not pay, pay
Jacob:Right.
Jason Harwood:a stand there. Uh, question. Do you think that the price increase will result in more fans from other teams coming into Ford field?
Jacob:mean,
Jason Harwood:hmm.
Jacob:because I think that more people are going to be, you know, whereas now it's been such a good environment. And, you know, it's such a it's hard because I don't have season tickets, but I, in my opinion, I feel like, yes, that people are going to feel pressured. Like, maybe, maybe you only sold 1 or 2 games a year and you tried to make it to every single one. Well, now, if you're talking about the. You know, the economy and everything that you have going on, maybe now you're selling an extra game or two, you know, now you're only going to about half of them. Cause you want to keep your season tickets, but you also want to try to be able to afford everything too. And you know, when you try to resell those, not all of those good Alliance fans, and that's how, that's how we take over opposing team stadiums. Right. So I do, you know, I fear that that is going to be the cases that there are going to be more fans from opposing teams coming in
Jason Harwood:Yeah, I think that, um, I think that too, but also I think there's so much demand for these lines. You know, there's 20, 000 people on the waiting list just for season tickets. That doesn't account for people that want to go to just one game. And you know, if you're in my view, if you're an opposing fan, you know, you're going to look around the league and be like, I want to go to an away game going up to Detroit state. paying way higher secondary fees and probably a lot of other stadiums. I would think that you'd want to go to a cheaper stadium, or a cheaper place to watch a game rather than up to Detroit and paying these really high secondary market value. So I don't know for sure. it's going to, you know, cause like an invasion of our stadium. But like you said, the more tickets that are up for sale leads to more opportunities for opposing fans. But if you look right now, Jacob, on any given day, the secondary market, there's, I mean, there's tons of tickets up for sale. So I don't think it's all of a sudden going to result in an egregious amount more, uh, up for sale. Um, it, it possibly could, you know, who knows?
Jacob:it also, you know, like we said, depends on how the season's going. Right. I mean, But that's always going to be the case.
Jason Harwood:Yes. I mean, that's going to happen every year. You're not in, like I said, this year, cause it went totally different with the injuries, but luckily we've been able to hold it together and we're still having an amazing season. I can't imagine next year we're having more injuries than what we're having this year.
Jacob:Well, I hope not. I don't know how that's possible.
Jason Harwood:Yeah. I don't know how that's possible either. Yeah, let's get this loss out of our system. Let's go play these bears who, uh, it looks like they're going to get beat by the Vikings, um, 27, 12 right now. They're like five minutes left in the fourth, but, you know, the bears are about the, maybe about to score here, but I still think that they're still going to pry loose,
Jacob:Yeah, we both knew that was going to happen. But you know what sucks about that is that now we really, really have to root for the Packers against the Vikings.
Jason Harwood:know. I
Jacob:Disgusting.
Jason Harwood:Yeah, we were, um, my boys stayed out to about half time of this bears game and I was upstairs with them and they're like, dad, I feel gross rooting for the bears.
Jacob:Just doesn't feel right.
Jason Harwood:I was like, I know how you feel. Uh, just it's a necessary evil every once in a while. quick, before we get out of here, I want, See if there's something, I don't know if you know what's coming out on Thursday, but, uh, James Gunn has the new Superman movies coming out next year and the trailer is going to drop on Thursday. Did, are you interested? I know you like superhero stuff. Are you interested in that at all?
Jacob:I am interested just because I like what James Gunn does, but I have not followed anything, like I don't know anything about it. Which is probably honestly better because even like through the Deadpool stuff, I tried not to look at anything ahead of time until they had trailers. You know, some of the Marvel stuff, especially Spider Man, I'm all about Spider Man, so it's impossible for me to not look at teasers and look at spoilers and try to find out everything I can about Spider Man. So the other movies I try to just, you know, not look too deep into it.
Jason Harwood:Yeah, I'm really excited for this one. I like Superman. other than Spider Man, he's probably my favorite superhero. I don't like you. I really like Spider Man and, just enjoy that character in general. But I'm really curious to see what James Gunn does with Superman. I like the Man of Steel series. I really like Batman versus Superman. So I know that some people were down on that, but I, I liked it. But I'm really curious. I'm not really familiar with the actor that plays, James Gunn. that much in this series, which is probably a good thing.
Jacob:I'm sure that's exactly how they wanted it, right?
Jason Harwood:Exactly. So we'll, we'll see how it goes. But, before we head out, I want to give a shout out to Cody, our, one of our super fans. He messaged me on Reddit. He's the one that I mentioned a few episodes back that bought that t shirt that my son designed, showed me a picture of it. It turned out really good. It looks really good on the shirt. Uh, so I was really happy. Um, that he reached out to me and let me know that he got it. I'm happy. Um, this goes to a good fan and you know, like I said, I'm super happy for my son. I got to show him and he was jacked about that. So,
Jacob:Right. Shots out to Cody.
Jason Harwood:yep. So I, uh, everyone that's been listening, uh, to us, uh, through our first season here. It's our numbers look really good. We're really happy with how we're going. So if you want to give us some feedback or things you want to see, or, you know, maybe a different segment that you might be interested in, we'd be, we'd be open to hearing all that, uh, we're looking for ways to improve the show always. So, um, please give that to us. Uh, anything else you want to talk about Jacob or.
Jacob:No, man. I'm ready to move on.
Jason Harwood:Yep. We'll be back later on this week, preview the bears and, uh, yeah, let's go lions.
