E56: “Pride Preview” Divisional Playoffs - Lions vs Commanders (With Command This! Podcast)

Podcast hosts Jason Harwood and Jacob Litton discuss the Detroit Lions' upcoming playoff game against the Washington Commanders. The hosts interview Steve Lim and Dev from the Command This Podcast to get insights on the Commanders. Key highlights include a review of the Lions' all-pro team selections, high ticket prices for the game, and the Commanders' injury report. The hosts and guests analyze the Commanders' key offensive and defensive players and discuss quarterback Jayden Daniels' impressive season. They also delve into strategies and matchups, such as the Lions' potent run game featuring David Montgomery and Jahmyr Gibbs. Predictions for various playoff games are made, focusing on key matchups, and the hosts share their excitement for the game and its implications.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Intro
• 8:00 Commanders' Season Performance and Injury Report
• 13:44 Interview with Command This Podcast
• 1:16:29 Keys to Victory
• 1:25:44 Grit Picks and Game Analysis
• 1:44:12 Final Thoughts and Farewell

Transcript

Jason Harwood: 0:40

Welcome to talking grit. I'm Jason Harwood and with me is Jacob Litten. We have arrived at the playoffs after a week of watching everyone else play the Detroit Lions get to get in the action this upcoming weekend against those Washington commanders to help us get ready for this matchup. We have invited the boys from the command this podcast. It's a very good interview. You guys are going to love it. We had a lot of fun talking with the boys over there. Special shout out to Tampa tones for hooking us up with the boys over at command. This probably would not have happened without him. So thank you very much. All right, Jacob, we are here. We are at the playoffs. How are you feeling right now?

Jacob: 1:18

I feel great, right? I mean, at the beginning of the season, this is what we were aiming for. We wanted the one seed, we wanted the playoff at home and Here we are, man. It's time to show up.

Jason Harwood: 1:29

It's one step in the process, right? We're now we just need to deliver on the next part of our promise. And our next goal that's to get to the NFC championship game. And it's got to run through Detroit, like we had talked about a couple of years ago, all roads roads run through Detroit. Well, it's, it's true this year. So before we get into the game since the last time we talked, the all pro team has been announced. How, how'd we, how'd the line show out on that, Jacob?

Jacob: 1:55

Very happy with how the Lions showed out on the all pro team. So, starting with Kirby Joseph, first team all pro, somebody very deserving that we, you know, we talked about, we're kind of concerned maybe they were gonna snub him and, you know, not give it to him when he needed it or when he deserved it. So that was awesome to see he was first team. Then you've got Pena. So first team, all pro I'm in raw first team punter, Jack Fox, actually first team, all pro, and then Frank Ragnar made the second team and Kalief Raymond made the second team as a punt return,

Jason Harwood: 2:27

Yeah, well deserved. I'm hoping to see Jameer Gibbs on this list in the upcoming years I don't know if you saw this about Jack Fox buying the whole of the punt team. Everyone got watches and I think Hogan Hattons was like a 4000 watch. Jack Fox showing his appreciation for his team to get like the highest net punt average in the history of the NFL throughout the season.

Jacob: 2:50

right?

Jason Harwood: 2:50

well

Jacob: 2:51

Awesome.

Jason Harwood: 2:52

All right, Jacob, anyone that's looking to come to the game this weekend that doesn't already have tickets What are they in for here? What what's what's the secondary market looking like?

Jacob: 3:03

Yeah, so the lions and commanders divisional round matchup is actually the most expensive game in NFL history outside of the Super Bowl. But any other playoff game, any other game, this is the most expensive matchup. The average get in price right now is 991. You actually, you know, Jeremy Reisman, pride of Detroit posted, but you can buy a ticket for all three other games. And still, you know, it won't cost you as much as just the one ticket getting into the Lion's Gate.

Jason Harwood: 3:30

Yeah,

Jacob: 3:31

This city's ready for this.

Jason Harwood: 3:33

they are I know a lot of people have said well, we're pricing out the average fan and unfortunately that might be true however people that know, doesn't mean that the stadium isn't going to be less rowdy. I really don't believe that at all. I think that there are fans at every level, every income level. And I think just because the ticket prices are up, doesn't mean that that person's any less of a fan than someone else. I, I want everyone to be able to experience this and think everyone deserves to be able to experience this. And I'm sorry that the ticket prices price some people out, but, I was at the Minnesota game. The ticket prices were outrageous for that game too. And it was loud in there. And I expect this commander's game to be even louder.

Jacob: 4:17

You think Minnesota is going to spend another 2 million to try to help other fans get in?

Jason Harwood: 4:21

Oh my God.

Jacob: 4:23

It's over with.

Jason Harwood: 4:25

Yeah, my favorite tweet was afterwards, I was like did you ever spend 2 million on something and instantly regret it? Oh God. the best part about that was that, the Minnesota fans were buying the tickets, at a loss in Minnesota and then reselling them back on the secondary market, probably back to Lions fans, cheaper than what they were getting. And so it just totally backfired on them.

Jacob: 4:48

The Lions have won for the last five games that we've played against the commanders dating back to 2013. But we have played each other three times in the postseason, and the commanders or Redskins have come out on top every time. And the most recent was the 1999 season, where the Redskins beat the Lions 13 to 27 in Washington. And in that game, Gus Peratt was a starting quarterback for the Lions. 251 yards, one touchdown and two interceptions. Do you have a guess of who the leading rusher was that game

Jason Harwood: 5:19

I mean, it was for the lions.

Jacob: 5:21

for the lions? This was 99. This was going into 2000

Jason Harwood: 5:24

Is it James Stewart

Jacob: 5:26

now. So I actually, I don't have, if he was on the team, but the leading rusher for that game was Corey Schlesinger with 23 yards.

Jason Harwood: 5:34

fullback? Oh my

Jacob: 5:36

Yeah, that's not gonna win you meant very many games the Redskins had Brad Johnson at quarterback Stephen Davis was a running back. He had 119 yards and that was actually champ Bailey's rookie season in Washington

Jason Harwood: 5:48

okay.

Jacob: 5:50

So that's how long ago, you know since we've matched up in the playoffs,

Jason Harwood: 5:53

Yeah.

Jacob: 5:54

but it's time we get one back

Jason Harwood: 5:56

I just remember the 91 championship game cause we were one step away from the Superbowl, but so let's talk about this year's team, Jacob impact players on offense for the commanders who we got.

Jacob: 6:11

You got to start with the rookie Jaden Daniels, right quarterback pro football focus has him rated number five out of 44 quarterbacks Then you've got wide receiver Terry McLaren You Always consistent, right? Number 19 on pro football focus. He was actually a second team all pro this year and NFL top 100. He was number 97. You've got Zach earth, the tight end, pro football focus number 36. Then the other running backs, Brian Robinson is actually right. Number 31 on pro football focus. Austin Eckler is rated number 38 and Austin Eckler also made second team all pro as a kick returner.

Jason Harwood: 6:45

Nice.

Jacob: 6:46

They got weapons.

Jason Harwood: 6:47

They do on defense. First, you're going to look at their linebackers. They have two all pro linebackers and Bobby Wagner, who's pro football focus as rated as the best linebacker in the league is also the NFL top 100 number 59, and you got Frankie Lou Vu, their other linebacker PFF has them ranked 28th and the linebacker, but both of them are second team. All pro you got Jonathan Allen up front, defensive tackle. we got a guy that both Jacob and I are very familiar with Mike Sandra still out of Michigan. their number one corner probably right now. I know Marshawn Lattimore is also on the team. And if he's fully healthy, he's probably the number one cornerback probably going into next season. He's going to be their number one cornerback.

Jacob: 7:31

Silence.

Jason Harwood: 7:35

the last couple, a couple of weeks, just come back from that hamstring injury. Sandra stills ranked 54. Out of 117 quarterbacks, whereas Marshawn Lattimore's behind him, actually at 72.

Jacob: 7:47

And and

Jason Harwood: 7:52

Again, we root for Michigan players, but not this week. We're hoping that Mike Sanderson gets blown up. All right, Jacob. Commanders are 12 and five this season, second in the NFC East. But interesting set that we found is how are they fair against playoff teams?

Jacob: 8:12

Yeah, 12 and 5 great year for the commanders, but you know, counting if we're just going off the playoff teams, they are 1 and 4 in the regular season against teams that made the playoffs. They lost the Buccaneers. They lost to the Ravens lost Steelers, lost to the Eagles, and then they actually did beat the Eagles later that season. So they're 1 and 4. I mean, you're with the win last week, you're going to say 2 and 4 against playoff teams. So. Good year, but I mean maybe possibly a little bit skewed not performing as much against the better teams,

Jason Harwood: 8:43

I will say the caveat of them winning the one game was that's when Jalen Hurts got hurt and Kenny Pickett came in and they won in a close game. So we'll see. I mean, the lions are definitely a playoff team. Number one seed. This is going to, I mean, the rate, they did play the Ravens, but this is going to

Jacob: 9:03

and they played the Ravens close.

Jason Harwood: 9:04

Yep.

Jacob: 9:05

So, I mean, this is going to be another big test.

Jason Harwood: 9:07

It definitely, definitely but commanders might be down some people. What does their injury report look like, Jacob?

Jacob: 9:16

They have quite a few people on their injury report. A few of these are just listed as rest. So, I mean, wide receiver, Jamison Crowder, Zach Ertz, Cleland Farrell Dante Fowler. Those are all just players that did not practice due to rest, but the bigger names that didn't practice are going to be linebacker Bobby Wagner battling an ankle injury, and then the other linebacker who Presumably would take his spot. Jordan McGee also did not practice. So that's not good for their linebackers being down for them. You know, it sounds good for us.

Jason Harwood: 9:45

Yeah, they've also the kicker is. maybe just hitting the doyken one off the post, it probably bruised his ego a little bit, but apparently he's got a hip injury too. And maybe maybe Jake Bates could teach him that the stretch moves

Jacob: 10:01

Yes.

Jason Harwood: 10:01

is on

Jacob: 10:01

We'll loan him his softball.

Jason Harwood: 10:05

All right. I don't know if you saw this, but Jerome Payne had a finger injury and it looked pretty gruesome. I don't know if you saw any of this Jacob,

Jacob: 10:13

I actually did not.

Jason Harwood: 10:15

He dislocated his finger in the last game, and apparently they could not re, they had to, they couldn't get it back into place on the sideline, so it looked pretty gruesome he's been limited in practice, it's a playoff game, my bet is that he's gonna play, but Yeah, that's probably going to affect his play, but they've had a few more Marshall and Lattimore still dealing with the hamstring. There are other linebacker, Frankie Lou Vu has a shoulder injury, but both those guys practice in full. How about the Lions? How are we looking over there, Jacob?

Jacob: 10:45

So for the Lions, good news, David Montgomery and Terry and Arnold both got in full practices and it's rake straw still did not practice. You know, he's had the hamstring, but actually they're calling it due to illness. Pat O'Connor did not practice. Calf injury doesn't sound good for him. And then Kevin Zeitler did not practice. Hamstring injury. We've heard that, you know, he was working with trainers on the side. So Don't really know for sure about the site layer if he doesn't play obviously we've got Christian mahogany is gonna slot in the other player that showed up on the report that did not practice as taylor decker But that is not injury related. It's due to personal reasons And I know I don't know if you saw this. I saw online that his wife I guess, is pregnant and is due this month So they're presuming that maybe, maybe she's in labor right now. Maybe he's about to have a baby. So he did not practice, but I don't think it's going to affect his game availability.

Jason Harwood: 11:38

Yeah. I know he's a big family man. I hope that, he doesn't miss any. Any important stuff with the birth of their

Jacob: 11:45

Right? Right.

Jason Harwood: 11:47

Let's get into, before we get into the interview, Jacob, let's do the rankings. Right now at commanders PFF has them ranked 20th overall and offense is ranked 15th. However, they are fifth in the league and points scored. They're 7th in the league in yards per game average 17th at passing and third in rushing. The rushing stats are due to their dynamic quarterback, Jaden Russell, or Jaden Daniels. How are they looking on defense?

Jacob: 12:15

Defense. Not as good as the offense. Pro football focus has them rated 29th. They have a lot of the 18th most points, 13th most yards. They're passing defense actually is ranks in the top three. They're third in terms of yards per game, but they're rushing defenses ranked 30th. Which is not what you want to hear. If you're a commander's fan, when you're about to play David Montgomery and Jameer Gibbs.

Jason Harwood: 12:37

Exactly. Yeah. All right. I think it's time we're going to hit this interview. We had A lot of fun talking to the boys. I commit from the command, this podcast Steve and Dev were, were great dudes. So check that out. If you're listening to this on Thursday morning, we're going to be on their YouTube live stream tonight, Thursday night at eight 35. If you're listening to this after eight 30. 835 on Thursday. We're going to, I'm sure they're going to have it posted. So you could check us out over there. We're going to talk about our lion stuff. So you get more lion stock just in a different they'll have the commander spin on that, but you could kind of hear what we have to say over there. So hope you guys enjoy this and we'll see you after the break. I want to welcome these two guys to the Talking Grid show. We're blessed to have them on the show. We have Steve and Dev from the Command This podcast. Super

@Hello_Im_Dev: 13:56

Hello, hello.

Jason Harwood: 13:56

these guys on here. Tampa tones hooked us up. We're in good hands. We've been talking with these guys for 15 minutes before the show, and I already feel comfortable enough with them. How are you guys doing today? You guys super excited for the Saturday matchup?

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 14:11

So excited, dude. I'm just happy to be here. You know, like we're,

Jacob: 14:14

Yeah.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 14:15

we're in year one of a rebuild or a re retooling, whatever recalibration as Dan Quinn and Adam Peters were say, but, so we're just happy to be here, be here, man. Win, lose or draw. I mean, it's just. We're just along for the ride. Happy to be here. Thanks for having us.

Jason Harwood: 14:29

Yeah. Oh, you're welcome. First question. I'm going to, I'm going to ask you, Dev. How high did you jump when you guys caught that Hail Mary versus the bears?

@Hello_Im_Dev: 14:38

Well, well, it just so happens that I am fat, so not very high, but I did try to jump very high, but yeah, I was, I was super excited. I think my wife, we, we seen it. You already have my wife. I think she filmed it, but I was pretty, I think I did the robot and Dougie. I did the old John Wall, the John Wall dance from, you know, Kentucky days.

Jason Harwood: 14:59

Yeah,

@Hello_Im_Dev: 15:01

pretty hype.

Jason Harwood: 15:03

that's great. What about you,

@Hello_Im_Dev: 15:04

You guys just moonwalked over your team.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 15:07

The Hail Mary was a four o'clock game for us. So my kids were up and we were downstairs to watch. They just watched the end. But I really thought the game was over. I'm like, Caleb Williams went down, he did what he was supposed to do. He got his team into scoring position and it was 15 13 and I was like, okay. This is it. I, you know, and everyone in the group chats, like it's never over. Never say never. Jayden had hurt ribs. He made that throw man. I screamed. I of course filmed it. Cause that's what you do. You film everything and at the top of my lungs. I was hoarse. I was in shock and that's, that was the start of the magic had started. It was great. I jumped so loud. I screamed at the top of my lungs. I was a little bit hoarse. They got hurt. Might hurt my throat a little bit, but. And I, I think that moment was the moment Dan Snyder's curse left Northwest field or FedEx field, whatever, you know, where the commanders play at that moment, Dan Snyder's curse soul left the stadium and we've never seen it since. So it was very, very emotional event for us.

Jason Harwood: 16:06

Yeah,

Jacob: 16:07

Nice.

Jason Harwood: 16:08

I'm from my reaction because you guys beat an NFC North opponent. And at that time, the bears were looking formidable. I think, I don't know that was we, they were, they started out foreign too. So I'm not sure how far after that, when that loss came. So we're, we were happy to see them lose, but we had turned the game off because we thought it was over. And then my son is actually the one goes. The, the commanders won. And so then we had to go back and look and it's always fun to see how bears how bears figure out how to lose a game. And they've done it many times this year, but that was the best one.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 16:44

And they were, they were kind of our formidable foes for the first like 10 games of the season. Like we played you guys once, like, Stop trying to downplay Jaden with Jaden Daniels just to just to bring up Caleb Williams. Like I love Caleb Williams He's a product of DC. We want to see him do well to math a grad not too far from where I live I want to see Caleb do well. It's not about them competing that football is great when they're when they're both great So all these Bears fans just trashing us and trashing Jaden Daniels and like for what reason so for the first half of the season It was very fans were really, you know getting on our nerves. It was getting kind of stupid there for a minute You

Jason Harwood: 17:20

They're very protective of Caleb Williams. They

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 17:23

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 17:24

I mean, they're hanging their hat on him and I, and I understand it. I mean, they went, I mean, they don't have ever had a 4, 000 yard passer. They always think the next guy is going to be the guy and he's shown flashes and, but

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 17:37

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 17:37

you know, they're, they're hanging their hat on him. So we'll, we'll see. I'd rather have Jaden right now, though. I'll tell you that.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 17:45

Yeah.

Jacob: 17:45

Right?

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 17:46

all,

Jacob: 17:47

You guys really took the wind out of their whole season, though. Cause that was, they were 4 2, and then they lost 10 in a row after that.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 17:54

we say, you know, we broke them, like, you know, in, in the words of, you know, Ivan Drago, if he dies, he dies. Like that's literally what happened. We broke the bears.

Jacob: 18:02

Yeah.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 18:04

And they lost so many games, nail biters, and it all goes back to the hell mare,

Jacob: 18:09

Yeah, right.

Jason Harwood: 18:10

I

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 18:11

crazy a

Jason Harwood: 18:12

I mean, both of your guys seasons might've teetered on that moment, right? I mean,

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 18:16

hundred percent.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 18:17

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 18:18

yeah.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 18:18

100%.

Jason Harwood: 18:19

crazy.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 18:21

since week 12. Have we?

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 18:23

Who for us week 12 to Dallas, Dallas. Yep.

Jason Harwood: 18:26

Yep. And that was, was that, was a crazy

Jacob: 18:31

Yeah.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 18:32

two kickoffs back in the last two minutes.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 18:34

Yeah.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 18:35

We robbed FOMO three times. It was, we missed two field goals or something like that. An extra point.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 18:40

Cooper Cooper rush looked like a world beater for a little bit there. And yeah, we just weren't on our best and we still almost won, but we just were not on our, our best that game. Yeah. Tough game.

Jason Harwood: 18:50

So speaking of

Jacob: 18:51

We kind of have that thing to where the, you know, if your defense isn't quite holding up, if they're scoring, it's like, well, you know what, we'll just outscore you. Then we're going to stay in it 1 way or another.

Jason Harwood: 19:00

Yep. So I want to ask you about Dan Quinn, you know, he's the first coaster in Washington history to get 10 plus wins in his first season. obviously you guys were probably familiar with him from being the DC and, you know, for the Cowboys. What have your, been your thoughts of Dan Quinn so far?

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 19:19

Good.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 19:20

I love him. In fact, I remember on Twitter if I could find the message. I said whenever they was going after your guys assistant coach.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 19:28

Ben Johnson.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 19:29

we won't we won't name he said that, you know, they I said, hey man, if it doesn't work out with Mr. Johnson over there dog. I'd like to go out to the Quinn and everybody said, oh, we need offensive coach. I said, man, all you need. Is a good coach, you know, start there and Quinn's the guy. I like him. I, I love the guy, man, but you know, to be quite honest, I also love Ron Rivera and look what they got me.

Jacob: 19:54

Right.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 19:56

And for me, honestly, Dan Quinn was not on my radar. My, my remembering of Dan Quinn was the Falcons as a Atlanta Falcons head coach, where they didn't You know, blew that giant lead in the super bowl.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 20:07

defense coordinator beat us in the playoffs.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 20:09

I, Hey

Jacob: 20:10

Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah. I'm sorry.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 20:21

all in on Ben Johnson. I was a Ben Johnson guy. I'm like, you know, Sean McVay was the one who got away. Matt LaFleur was the one who got away. Kevin O'Connor was the one who got away. The entire NFC North almost was the ones who got away from Washington. And so I was like, man, this is, this is the guy, this is the next prodigy. And then it just, Ben Johnson said, I'm staying. And then Dan Quinn was the next guy. So, you know, I was like, Dev said, I was in love with Ron Rivera too, is a military guy, a veteran, but nothing about Dan Quinn really jumped out at me, but I'm all in on, I'm sold on this guy, man. What a great leader he is.

Jacob: 20:53

Thank you.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 20:53

I'm happy to

@Hello_Im_Dev: 20:54

is,

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 20:54

have him.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 20:55

is your guy's story on why your OC turned down the Washington job? Cause on our, on our, we're hearing that he caught us a MBA school. And they didn't, you know, they want to play. And then today we heard that he wanted to keep how that's the newest thing we've been hit on the radio. That is that he wanted to keep how and RGM said, nah, we're going to draft Daniels. And he didn't want to come here at coach house. So they turned the plane around. Like we've heard like so many different stories, but from a lion's perspective, what are you guys hearing?

Jacob: 21:22

I find that hard to believe that he, you know, had to have how that was his guy. You know, that's usually what you want as a head coach. Right? It's usually what you want as a head coach. So as you get to pick your quarterback with a high traffic and then you go, I think that, you know, That loss of San Fran and the NFC championship really left a bad taste in everybody's mouth. He knew what we have and you know, the chance that we have this year to build on that. And, you know, he's definitely like, if the situation is not perfect for him, he's content being offensive coordinator right now. And I don't know if it was maybe, you know, cause you guys have the new ownership and everything like that. It was still kind of up in the air. You don't know exactly how things are going to go. You don't know, you know what they're trying to build, which I mean, to Dan Quinn's credit, you know, now he's a part of that right now he gets to take credit for the turnaround that they've had. But I just think that Ben Johnson, it wasn't, wasn't a sure thing there and he liked what he had here. So that's honestly what we're talking about this year too, because there's still not a guarantee that he takes another, you know, head coaching job. He's definitely, you know, he's content. He's looking for the right he's looking for the right spot for him.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 22:30

Yeah, that's fair.

Jason Harwood: 22:31

I don't think it has anything to do with the commanders, to be honest with you. I really think it was all because he announced it like two days or that week after the San Francisco loss that he was going to come back. So that, you know, it was, you know, the big talk was your leadership was on a plane out to Detroit and then, you know, he can't, you know, canceled it mid flight or whatever. I wouldn't take any slight towards the commanders. I think it's all about. Ben Johnson wanted this opportunity here and I'm of the. right now that the Raiders are coming on strong for it. Wanting him because of Tom Brady. But I feel like if we don't win the Superbowl, I would say Ben Johnson's going to be back and we're going to lose Aaron Glenn, but I think Ben Johnson's going to be back if we don't win the Superbowl, if we win the Superbowl, all bets are off.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 23:20

Yeah, just part of the game. I mean, our

@Hello_Im_Dev: 23:23

winning a Superbowl. Cause y'all not winning Saturday.

Jacob: 23:26

Yes.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 23:28

get the shots in.

Jason Harwood: 23:29

you could talk about this on your podcast when we're on there tomorrow, but we're on Alliance podcast. You, you could be a little more humble and say, Oh, I hope we

Jacob: 23:37

No,

Jason Harwood: 23:38

game. Heh heh heh heh heh.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 23:40

I can be

Jacob: 23:40

no,

@Hello_Im_Dev: 23:41

you're saying.

Jacob: 23:41

we want authentic.

Jason Harwood: 23:43

yeah, we, you'd be real, man. If that's what you believe, that's what you believe. That's cool.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 23:47

I'm scared to death. Actually, that's the

Jacob: 23:49

Yes.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 23:52

but we'll figure it out.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 23:53

Yeah, we got it.

Jason Harwood: 23:54

That's how I feel about Jade and Daniel's though. Like that's the unknown that for me as Alliance fan, that's where I'm like, you know, anything could happen, you know, with that's where we got to stop them. And you know, the wild card, but I. I like the lion's chances, but Jaden Daniels gives you guys the best chance to win just because we don't know he's, he's a really good quarterback, like his

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 24:21

Looking.

Jason Harwood: 24:21

is off charts for a

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 24:23

Looking at your guys schedule this year, who you guys played so Jaden Danes is having a season that no, very few rookie quarterbacks ever have had, and he's very dynamic. Even Lamar's first year starting, you know, wasn't even as dynamic as Jaden's, but looking at the schedule, you guys played, you know, you're 15 two. There isn't anyone, I see that you guys played Arizona, but other than that, there is not one. the schedule. There wasn't a whole lot of dual threat, mobile quarterbacks outside of Collimer and you guys beat Arizona 20 to 13. So I I'm sure that's going to play a factor into this game is having the threat of, of Jaden running. You think that's a, you know, a thing with Jaden and your guys defense.

Jason Harwood: 25:08

well, I could tell you that Kyler Murray, we also faced Anthony Richardson for the Colts and Both of those games started out similar, where the first drive, the first couple drives, they, Kyler Murray had his way and so did Richardson, but then the lines adjusted really quickly. So we'll see if, if we're able to do that. And we, Josh Allen tore us up, but I don't think that that is, I mean, first of all, it's Josh Allen. He's, Amazing player, but we also didn't have Alex Anzalone. Our green dot was not in, in that game and he's our best protection against running quarterback. So I don't know how fair that is to look, but we bottled up Kyler Murray and Anthony Richardson after the first couple of drives. So not saying that we could do that against Jaden, but I feel pretty confident that You know, looking at those games, the first drive, maybe it'll look a little rough and then we'll, we'll adjust and, and hopefully keep, keep them under wraps. So

Jacob: 26:08

game plan, right?

Jason Harwood: 26:08

yeah, let's, let's keep it on Jayden Daniels. Did you guys both want him at number two when you guys were ready to draft?

@Hello_Im_Dev: 26:17

Absolutely.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 26:18

Yeah, that for sure did. I, I was honestly, it was a win win for us. I, at the time I had a preference for Drake May just because I felt, you know, his body and I hadn't fully watched, you know, I watched Jaden Daniels senior year, but none of his older stuff. So for me, I was, I was kind of more on Drake May, you know, hindsight's 2020 go

Jacob: 26:38

Yeah.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 26:38

in time and change that all.

Jason Harwood: 26:40

Hey Dev, if Caleb Williams would have been there, would you have rather had him?

@Hello_Im_Dev: 26:44

Yeah, see,

Jason Harwood: 26:45

one pick?

@Hello_Im_Dev: 26:47

get that question a lot and my answer will be yeah, like, Yeah. I will be lying if I every year that Caleb Caleb Williams in high school was the best high schooler coming out. Caleb Williams his freshman year of college was the best freshman in college football. His second year he won a Heisman. He's one of the best players in the country. Third year, even though he didn't win a Heisman and Jane did he was still one of the best two or three players in the country. So I still believe that that Caleb Williams is still a very good quarterback and that reputation alone. Would have made me pick a number one because I feel like that's a known commodity. You know what I'm saying? Like you, you do the worst case scenario. I think Caleb Williams will be at at least an all star game caliber quarterback in his career, man. I think so. You, you can put everybody talks about Caleb. What's the name? Strauss. What's the quarterback last year?

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 27:38

Shroud.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 27:39

CJ, at his numbers and put Kayla's number side by side. They're not that much different. It's just that they won more games. The end result was different in wins and losses, but the statistics are nearly the same, but you know, people look at him like he's a failure because you compare him to Jaden and Jaden went right after him. That's going to be the Philip Rivers, Peyton Manning thing forever for that guy.

Jacob: 28:02

Yes.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 28:02

but yeah, so story short, my answer would be, yeah, I would, I would have taken Caleb if I was number one, because I felt like I I've seen enough. You know, but I would have been wrong because Jaden Dales is better than him. As of right now, Jaden Dales is better than him. And maybe Bo Nicks is too. And maybe Bowers. And

Jacob: 28:23

Yeah.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 28:24

maybe a lot of these rookies are, you know, well, yeah, definitely

Jason Harwood: 28:28

offensive class so far. I mean, they were all drafted, you know,

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 28:31

Oh, yeah.

Jason Harwood: 28:32

the first off defensive player wasn't taken until second half of the draft. So

@Hello_Im_Dev: 28:37

bro. I wanted, I wanted like two years ago when Lamar Jackson was a free agent, I wanted him. I was like, that was like, you're about to go up to first. I would do it. We turned those two first and Jahan Dawson and Jamie Davis, bro.

Jacob: 28:47

Yeah.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 28:48

You know what I'm saying? Like who would have cared? You know?

Jacob: 28:50

Right.

Jason Harwood: 28:51

yeah, sometimes the known is better than the unknown

@Hello_Im_Dev: 28:57

you have to have a quarterback as the most important position in sports. You have to have one of those, like a Ferrari, like a, like a Mahomes or Allen. You have to have one of those guys

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 29:06

sorry.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 29:08

really good. Like the lions, everyone, you know, golf is no slouch. He's good. He's all star caliber. Good. But everyone else is, there's a lot of elite guys around me.

Jason Harwood: 29:18

right

@Hello_Im_Dev: 29:19

ain't got that, you got to handle a Lamar Jackson or, or Mahomes or Allen or Burroughs, that's my

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 29:26

Okay. If you want to take a look at the slides, please do. We'd love to. You know. I'm just

Jacob: 29:33

Yeah. So you know, we both had talked about, we wanted St. Rostell in the second round. The commander's got them at pick 50 before we had a pick obviously Michigan man and everything. So we wanted him on the team. What are your impressions of him so far?

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 29:47

I mean, we, Mikey, we call him Mikey. He's our agent zero

Jacob: 29:51

Yep.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 29:51

surpassing all expectations. I mean, he was a slot guy at Michigan. We thought he was going to be a slot guy here, but just due to the way we flushed out the cornerback position, he ended up having to play outside almost the entire season. And he has just been, he leads all, all rookies in past breakups. He's like four, you know, had 14 total this year. He just surpassed. Our, my expectations at every turn. And it, it, it turns out that, you know, we get a lot of bad second round picks. Clearly he's not in that boat and he's been able to hang with all the big dogs. No, no task has been too big or too small for for saying we're still. So I am thrilled that we have same. We're still, and there's no need to put them in the slot. He's an outside corner. He proved he can be outside corner. If we get Marshawn Latin, we're healthy him at one, two punch, man. I think we're going to be in a good spot.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 30:40

Did you just quote Paw Patrol bro?

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 30:43

we're on a roll

Jacob: 30:44

Yeah.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 30:45

too big, no case

Jacob: 30:46

Yeah.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 30:48

too big. No, I did not. But I thought about it.

Jason Harwood: 30:53

a clean show. So he was all

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 30:55

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 30:56

got to go to PAW Patrol. That's

@Hello_Im_Dev: 30:58

Right, Chase on the case.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 31:01

Rebel on the double. Yeah.

Jacob: 31:03

Saner still used to be a receiver for Michigan and then, you know, they switched from a defensive side. Yeah. He was a receiver and then they switched in the defensive side. Well, right. But you know what? He plays the ball really well. And he had, you know, quite a few highlight reel, you know, past breakups at Michigan. So you know, it's awesome to see him doing well. Obviously we wanted him on our team, but

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 31:23

Yeah.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 31:24

guys Michigan fans across the board? Like the Pistons and

Jacob: 31:28

yes.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 31:29

I like the Knicks and y'all killed us the other day.

Jacob: 31:33

Yeah, right.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 31:34

man.

Jacob: 31:36

It was a good game.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 31:37

yeah, I bet

Jason Harwood: 31:37

a good game.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 31:38

I have a little fan. We did beat you in the final four or

Jacob: 31:42

man, don't talk about that. That was a clean block.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 31:46

I don't know what it was. I can say that now. Definitely. 2012. I definitely can say it now. Yeah.

Jacob: 31:50

Yeah,

@Hello_Im_Dev: 31:51

block.

Jacob: 31:51

man.

Jason Harwood: 31:54

Yeah. Sandra's still just thinking back to him. He just seems to always be in the right spot. He was like that at Michigan. And that's what I liked about him. Like nothing like measurables, like stand out, but he just always is in the right spot, just a very dependable player.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 32:10

Yeah. Like, and it's, if you know, our other cornerbacks, we have a guy named Benjamin St. Juice. Who's just not good at what he does. He was, he was basically ours. Cornerback one to start the season with sandwich to that's the number two. he completely outshined BSJ. It only took two weeks for him to show like, Oh yeah, that guy, Mikey is way better.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 32:31

Yeah.

Jacob: 32:31

Yeah.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 32:32

we call him Benjamin Trash Juice.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 32:34

Yeah, he's, he's struggling man, he's

Jacob: 32:36

he he also was at Michigan.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 32:38

him. He

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 32:38

Ah,

Jacob: 32:40

was at Michigan. I think you know, he lost the starting spot. He transferred to Was it Minnesota? He transferred somewhere like in the Big Ten, but he, yeah, he was from Michigan.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 32:48

didn't know that.

Jacob: 32:50

So we know him too.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 32:52

Ha, ha, ha,

Jacob: 32:53

Yeah, one of those where it's like, man, he's still in the NFL. He's still, he's still doing this, huh?

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 32:58

Man. Yep, still around. He's about to come up to the end of his first contract, so we'll, we'll see if they keep him around. I'm not sure.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 33:04

Might be

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 33:04

I dub.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 33:05

year.

Jacob: 33:06

Yeah,

Jason Harwood: 33:06

No, no.

Jacob: 33:08

right.

Jason Harwood: 33:09

guys keep drafting the way you're drafting, you'll find a replacement real quick. You guys, that your

@Hello_Im_Dev: 33:14

hoping for it.

Jason Harwood: 33:14

very impressive.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 33:17

Thank you. Your draft that you're, you're, I tell you, you got a stole. Well, y'all traded Stafford for the best of your old team.

Jason Harwood: 33:25

know.

Jacob: 33:25

Yeah, right.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 33:26

got everyone at draft. That was, that was a good one. We, I think the best draft we had was we, we traded the rights to Ricky waters for absolutely a whole roster of draft picks and none of them were good. Not one of them.

Jason Harwood: 33:38

That's how the lines have been forever. We would trade away people and then get. Nothing to show for it. And,

@Hello_Im_Dev: 33:45

I saw Barry Sanders and Megatron, who is the

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 33:49

Yeah. Yeah.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 33:52

dog in lions football history.

Jason Harwood: 33:55

well, if you ask me, it's Chris Spielman, who's our middle linebacker.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 33:58

Yeah. Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 33:59

he's in the front office type that that's my guy, but

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 34:03

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Jason Harwood: 34:07

know, they're, we've had some pretty good players in and out the lions. Billy Sims would have been a running back in the early eighties. He, if he wouldn't have got injured, he'd, you know, He would have been up there with Barry as far as like numbers. So

@Hello_Im_Dev: 34:20

No. Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 34:26

about, cause

Jacob: 34:27

No.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 34:27

That Rodney Pete.

Jason Harwood: 34:29

Rodney Pete. Yeah. Well, you guys know about

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 34:31

Scott, Scott,

@Hello_Im_Dev: 34:32

him on Tecmo ball every now and then. I'm a red guy.

Jacob: 34:35

Yes.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 34:36

I mean,

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 34:36

Scott what's his name? Number 19. Scott someone, Scott Mitchell. Yeah. Yeah. Long.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 34:41

I got

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 34:43

Yeah.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 34:44

I

Jason Harwood: 34:46

So

@Hello_Im_Dev: 34:47

RoboCop by the way.

Jason Harwood: 34:48

you know, it's, you know, we've had, well, we had a run in our franchise, had a run in, in playoffs before 1991. You guys under a different name at that time. And,

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 34:59

Yeah. Bye bye. We'll see you next week.

Jason Harwood: 35:00

Took you guys went to the Superbowl on that. So not getting our way this year. Let's let's

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 35:04

Yeah,

Jason Harwood: 35:05

plays out.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 35:07

you know, the guy, you remember that show Webster like Marisha Webster,

@Hello_Im_Dev: 35:10

Emmanuel

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 35:11

Alex Karras Webster's dad, George Papadopoulos. He played for the lines. He had a thing with the lines.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 35:17

Papadopoulos.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 35:18

Herman Moore was another good one too. So the line lines got some, some good and Matthew Stafford essentially owns Washington. So

Jason Harwood: 35:23

Yeah.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 35:24

he's like seven to know against this

@Hello_Im_Dev: 35:26

where we're in Osmond

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 35:27

Heisman runner.

Jason Harwood: 35:28

Out of

@Hello_Im_Dev: 35:29

we know

Jason Harwood: 35:29

Just run and shoot quarterback. And then, yeah, it didn't I saw an article on CBS and the line was, Matthew Stafford, an all time great post season quarterback. And I was,

@Hello_Im_Dev: 35:41

12 and oh, oh, and 12 or whatever or something. Yeah,

Jason Harwood: 35:45

a

@Hello_Im_Dev: 35:45

I mean,

Jason Harwood: 35:46

I mean, he's, he's good. And he probably could have won more in Detroit. Have we had better coaching?

@Hello_Im_Dev: 35:51

man, he basically had to,

Jason Harwood: 35:53

in the game, for the

@Hello_Im_Dev: 35:56

he basically joined the super friends though. He basically joined the Justice League to win. You know, I mean, when he won one.

Jason Harwood: 36:04

They were set up pretty good. I mean, Stafford could do things that Jared Goff can't. I mean, Stafford could do things a lot of quarterbacks can. His arm talent is, is off the chart. He's very smart, but he will also blow a game really quick too. Like he almost did the other, when he threw that little, I don't know if you watched the Minnesota

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 36:23

Reflect

Jason Harwood: 36:23

that little

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 36:24

slick.

Jason Harwood: 36:24

like, I was like, yep, that is a Stafford play. Did Jacob likes that play though. He thought it was a 100

Jacob: 36:31

We disagreed. Well, because Puka was right there. He's not going to take the sack. He's right there. He flicks the ball. It's, you know, you're basically throwing it away. You're killing it.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 36:40

You also don't want to see staff.

Jason Harwood: 36:42

you're, you're up, you're giving the refs a little bit, you know, of, I, I wouldn't trust the interpretation on that because they, they could have called that a fumble if they wanted

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 36:51

I thought it was a fumble.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 36:52

I thought it was a fumble. By the way, you don't want to see Stafford in the last minute of any game. Anyways,

Jason Harwood: 36:56

no,

@Hello_Im_Dev: 36:57

you don't want to see that guy. He's pretty much 100 percent of the end of games. You don't want to give that guy.

Jason Harwood: 37:03

we, you know, he's one of the four, you know, one of the four teams left in the NFC. So if we, you know, happen to get by you guys this weekend, you don't want to face him in the NFC

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 37:13

They got, they got to get through Philly and it'd be cool to see, you know, if we don't make it, you know, Eagles and Rams, I'm sorry,

@Hello_Im_Dev: 37:19

want

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 37:19

Rams and Lions championship game would be a pretty, pretty

Jacob: 37:22

No, man.

Jason Harwood: 37:24

now

Jacob: 37:24

the storylines again.

Jason Harwood: 37:25

storyline. Oh God. Stomach's already

@Hello_Im_Dev: 37:28

think?

Jason Harwood: 37:28

thinking about it.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 37:30

do you think the NFL wants to see? You think they want to see

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 37:32

LA, LA,

@Hello_Im_Dev: 37:33

Ravens Washington, Philly?

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 37:36

LA, Buffalo, LA, Baltimore, LA. Cause of the fires. It's in the script, man. It's coming.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 37:40

I

Jacob: 37:40

Yeah. Right.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 37:41

I'm telling you, telling you.

Jason Harwood: 37:44

I don't know, man. I, I don't want to subscribe to all the script and stuff like that. And the Stafford lions thing has kind of played out from last year and they started out this season with it. So it's like, mom, we played like the, year we went out to LA and that was like, when we traded them out there, that, that lions were crap then it, it, Didn't really matter. But the last, you know, couple of matchups have really meant something. So I don't know that storyline definitely around here. It's played out. Like I'm tired of it. I don't know nationally if it's played out or not, but yeah, you brought up the LA fires though. That'd be like what happened Katrina down in

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 38:21

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 38:22

and

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 38:22

2006, 2007.

Jacob: 38:24

Yeah.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 38:26

Yeah. When I saw the intro of that game against Minnesota, I'm like the concert and the LA strong. I'm like, there's no way Minnesota is going to win this game.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 38:33

come,

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 38:33

There's no, there's no, that

@Hello_Im_Dev: 38:34

how come Washington can't use the Capitol Six the Capitol

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 38:37

was last year where you're, you're too late.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 38:39

as motivation.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 38:40

You're, you're too late.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 38:41

winning the Super Bowl, bro.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 38:43

Late. Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 38:44

know, now what, what sunk Minnesota is Sam Darnold. You know that. I mean, that was

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 38:48

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 38:49

a guy losing money out of his pocket.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 38:51

happened to that guy the last three weeks of the year, man? I was like, man, they need to trade McCarthy and keep saying, don't Sam Donald. That guy's the guy then last two, three games of the year, like Egypt air, man. Just straight.

Jason Harwood: 39:03

the question

@Hello_Im_Dev: 39:03

No, stop.

Jason Harwood: 39:04

you know, we posed like before the lions, Minnesota matchup was, you know, there, you know, Darnold hasn't faced that much pressure and he's going into Ford field. We'll see what he can do. And, know, he fell apart. And so the question was, all right, if he, if he does the same thing against the Rams, that's going to

Jacob: 39:24

Okay.

Jason Harwood: 39:29

but he definitely lost a lot of money and probably starting job next year

@Hello_Im_Dev: 39:35

came up Yeah,

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 39:36

That game was supposed to be the defacto game of the season for me, you know,

@Hello_Im_Dev: 39:40

yeah.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 39:41

and 14 in two verse 14 and two for the division championship, the number one seed, you know, first person goes to the home field advantage. The next team goes, drops down to whatever, see the fifth seed, whatever. was just such a, such a letdown, man. I was not expecting that.

Jason Harwood: 39:56

a letdown

Jacob: 39:57

It doesn't let down.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 39:58

Yeah.

Jacob: 39:58

Yeah.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 39:58

you guys. I mean,

Jason Harwood: 39:59

were we

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 40:00

as someone with no dog in the fight, it was a letdown.

Jason Harwood: 40:02

no,

@Hello_Im_Dev: 40:03

much rather play Minnesota than Saturday. I'm not gonna lie to you.

Jason Harwood: 40:07

man, it, it was crazy environment in there. The commanders are going to come into, I'm telling you Ford field is going to be lit on on Saturday. So it's going to be loud. I know that the reports out there there, you guys were practicing with, with noise, but I just, going to be able to match that. It's not, it's a crazy environment.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 40:29

I'm eager to see Daniels on turf

Jason Harwood: 40:32

Yeah. Do you

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 40:33

Well, I believe in LSU he played on turf. I believe I'm not, I'm not a positive. I thought LSU was a turf, turf field.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 40:40

LSU in a dome? They are there in the Louisiana Superdome, right? Are they in it?

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 40:43

Yeah. Yeah. But tickets, tickets, I mean, I was debating like, man, I could just go. And I looked at the tickets. I'm like, cause the, the, the playoff game, playoff tickets versus the bucks were like one 25, one 50, man, these, these tickets were 700 bucks. Six. Are they always that expensive? Or that's the by product of being the divisional round playoff game.

Jason Harwood: 41:02

No. So one of the beat writers, Jeremy Reisman posted on, on Twitter that you could buy three tickets for the other three divisional games for all three together for less than going to the Lions game. Part of it is just the hype around this team. And Detroit is a football town and they've been starving for a team like this for years. Decades upon decades. And, know, a lot of us with season tickets, aren't giving them up. I'm not

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 41:29

Right?

Jason Harwood: 41:30

And, you know, and the other people that are, are either in it for the profit. So they're going to try to get as much, but even like when the, the lions put up tickets just for sale, like for season ticket holders, like the limited amount of extra tickets, what the lines are asking are like four or 500 a seat. When I looked last Sunday, standing room only

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 41:51

7 16. I saw.

Jason Harwood: 41:52

yeah,

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 41:53

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 41:54

insane in the same

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 41:55

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 41:55

a section of four field do not ever buy those. Cause

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 41:59

bad.

Jason Harwood: 42:00

it's

Jacob: 42:00

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 42:02

if, if we go to Super Bowl, man, I'm selling blood, plasma. I'm, I'm gonna start me only fans. I'm doing everything I can. If, if we, if we beat you guys to go to Super Bowl. I'm selling Steve, by the way, on T Move.

Jason Harwood: 42:16

there's a lot of Lions fans selling buying tickets for new Orleans right now. And cause we've never experienced anything like that. And the ticket prices down there, especially if the lines get there, they're going to only be increased. I think the average, they said it was like, you know, For two people like for lodging flight and everything, they were estimated 50 to 60, 000 for

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 42:40

Oh

Jason Harwood: 42:40

down there.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 42:41

my gosh.

Jason Harwood: 42:42

I know I don't know where they got all those numbers, but I, you know, I don't know like what ticket prices they were going off, but man, I

@Hello_Im_Dev: 42:52

I gotta ask Brother in law there.

Jason Harwood: 42:53

that. My couch is, I think I'd rather sit on my couch with 50, 000 next to me watching the lions rather than being down there, but I don't know.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 43:02

That's right.

Jason Harwood: 43:03

own.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 43:06

I don't believe you, man. I believe that Lions have never won a Super Bowl in history. Never been to one. Last year's the best year. If they made the Super Bowl, I believe you would go, Jason. I believe you would find one. There's no way that you, there's no way you wouldn't go. If you could, if, granted, I'm assuming you could afford it, because I couldn't afford it. I would find a way. I'd probably divorce right afterward, but I would be there, you know

Jason Harwood: 43:28

I'll Jacob, I'll sell him

@Hello_Im_Dev: 43:31

what

Jason Harwood: 43:33

as you know, my father in law, like three years ago, my boy, I have two boys, 13 and 10, three years ago, they're starting to get into sports. You know, sports getting mad and, and all that stuff. And then the lions started to, you know, they, they weren't very good three and what three, 13 and one, and, you know, a couple three weeks ago, he came up to me and he's like, Do the boys still remember what, what I said? And I was like, Oh, they've mentioned it just the other day. And he's like, Oh, and I go, but they said they don't want to go because they would be too nervous. My boys gets really like anxious about football. So they, they could not handle seeing a losing, like us get there and then lose the super bowl. At least that's what they've told me. And but I was like, I, it's like Steve, your 50 or 60, 000 is good. You can you know, we're not going to go to the Superbowl, but you could throw a big party at our house.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 44:26

Yeah, I still have, I still have a 48, 000 left.

Jacob: 44:30

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 44:31

Pop that champagne after the game, maybe, or drink your sours away if you lose, you know? So let's talk a little bit about this upcoming game. This, the spread is 9. 5. It's grown up to that. Is, are you guys surprised by that? Or is that what you guys feel is,

@Hello_Im_Dev: 44:50

little bit. Yeah, I'm a little bit surprised only because statistically I know you have the number one offense, but we're number three. It's not that crazy. We average like only we average less than a touchdown a game than you guys and we allow less

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 45:04

Yep. Yep. Yep.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 45:11

no matter what. So maybe take that in consideration. But yeah, I think that I'm definitely going to pick the spread at least. I think, I think we'll be able to score

Jason Harwood: 45:22

Yeah.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 45:23

Silence.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 45:25

from scoring, but you know,

Jason Harwood: 45:27

That's what Jacob and I we go back when our when Alex Anzalone was done. We have, I mean, we still have a lot injuries on

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 45:33

Hello, everyone. My name is Dan Ziegler. I'm the director of the New York City Public Library. I'm also the director of the New York City Public Library. And I'm going to be talking about the which is called New York City Library.

Jacob: 45:42

Right.

Jason Harwood: 45:44

And I don't blame you. I mean, nine and a half seemed a little large for me, but I think Jacob said it started out closer to five and a half and then I think it bloomed up. So the money muscle went towards the lions and push that spread.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 45:59

Yeah, I think they're also trying to get a lot of money on the commanders for hitting that nine points. I, I was thinking it was going to be about seven and a half, maybe eight, but nine, if to me, I, when I first look, it opened up at 10 on, on fanatics, so that was, I mean, when I, when I looked, it was probably a couple of days, I think I let him look to a, like a Tuesday, but it was, it was 10. So you know, nine points. Yeah. I w I would take the spread on that one, but like Dev was saying, you know, you guys are the number one ranked office scoring offense and the number one, there's number seventh points allowed defense. And we are the fifth highest scoring offense, but the 18th overall for, for points allowed. So

@Hello_Im_Dev: 46:40

alone on passing yards per game, Detroit average is 342 against, you don't say in Washington is 326. That's total yards, but passing yards is 244 to 189.

Jacob: 46:53

A lot of that's also because people are playing from behind or just the run defense has been much better than, you know, what the pass defense with the injuries.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 47:01

that also could be it,

Jason Harwood: 47:03

Yeah,

@Hello_Im_Dev: 47:04

you just

Jason Harwood: 47:05

ahead, sorry to

@Hello_Im_Dev: 47:06

never know, like, it's just a weird, nine, nine points is a lot. Is it what is eight? What is it? Nine points now?

Jason Harwood: 47:12

not it was nine and a half when I looked last night. I, I didn't

@Hello_Im_Dev: 47:16

Wow.

Jason Harwood: 47:16

yet.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 47:16

It's

Jacob: 47:17

It just, it's too much for a playoff game. It just seems really weird.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 47:20

It's disrespectful.

Jason Harwood: 47:21

game, especially, I mean, I could see some of those in the first round when you got, you know, you're playing the seventh seat or something like that, but yeah, it was, yeah, I was kind of surprised by that. I, I think it's, I think it probably could be closer to that. I could see lions scoring a lot, just having the bye week and coming out, but I could also see, you know, like a game, like the bucks game where it's going on to the last possession and you know, we'll see if our, you know, Kickers stretched out and you know, and your kickers playing with his hair and he's all nervous.

Jacob: 47:53

Yeah.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 47:53

he's, he's injured though. So we'll see,

Jason Harwood: 47:55

I know.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 47:56

we'll

Jacob: 47:56

Right.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 47:57

Nine, I still got nine and a half on fanatics and draft King. So

Jacob: 48:00

Yeah.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 48:01

stay, it's holding with nine. And I think against the bucks, what were we deaf six, five or six point dogs?

@Hello_Im_Dev: 48:07

was less than that. I think it was like three or something.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 48:10

Three. Oh no. Three and a half, three and a half, three and a half at home. So it was a pick them. Yeah. But yeah, nine and a half, you know, it's okay. I would take the points. I'm not sure about the wind, but That's a big spread. Not mad at it though.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 48:20

the points for sure.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 48:21

It's been worse.

Jacob: 48:23

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 48:23

Yeah. Well, Jacob, just so you know, Jacob and I both picked Washington to beat Tampa Bay last week. So we were both on your, on your

Jacob: 48:30

We called that.

Jason Harwood: 48:31

Yeah.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 48:33

Fantastic.

Jason Harwood: 48:34

Yeah. So you mentioned him early. I want to know what your thoughts on Marshawn Lattimore. So his first week. The Saints didn't the first game he played at the Saints didn't throw at him the last two weeks He's been throwing at a lot. So, you know, I know that he's come back from injury. What's your guys's thoughts on Marshawn Lattimore?

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 48:51

I mean, we were, we were expecting the traditional Evans and Lattimore showdown that you've seen in when he was in new Orleans for the longest time. He came to us injured with the, with the hamstring injury. So we had to rest, rehab him. He came out at the, I can't remember what game it was, Dev. Was it the Saints? Came back for the Saints game. didn't have one pass thrown his way. And then he got a, he did okay at the Eagles game and then he got hurt again. Then we rested him for the next. Or he got hurt and we didn't see him for three games and he comes back for this Bucks game and he just did not look like himself. That hamstring still has to be bothering him, but a healthy, a healthy Marshawn Latimore would be fantastic. And I mean, as it stands right now, I'm not really sure what's going to happen with this injury report. He had full practices this week, but something

Jacob: 49:42

Yeah.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 49:51

So not sure.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 49:54

Yeah, I think he, I mean, the game plan for last week was to keep everything in front of them. They only had what, 150 something yards passing,

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 50:03

Yeah. It wasn't a lot.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 50:04

right? I think that eliminate the big plays. It's probably the same game plan we have against the lions to be honest. I mean, lions are what a number one in a score percentage drives in and in points at like a 51. 6 percent Washington's number two at 50. Yeah. Yeah.

Jacob: 50:22

Okay.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 50:23

So you see what I'm saying? So I think that the thing is, is eliminate the big plays. And I think that was our game plan last week with Lattimore. It looked like on a touchdown is that he was playing the outside and they were looking for Quan Martin to play a slant and he was a second late. It looked like it went right over his head with a touchdown to Evan. So I wonder if it's just a, some of the plays they did get were miscommunications, but everything looked like a pick play underneath to me that, that touchdown pass.

Jason Harwood: 50:50

Yeah, Marsha, I mean, it's got to be hard for a quarterback to come in like that late in the season. And,

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 50:55

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 50:55

you know, cause it's all built on communication back there. You know, if you're playing man, maybe not as much, but even that you're going to pass off to the safety or something at some point, you gotta, gotta know, you gotta be able to trust that

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 51:08

Yeah. That, that whole,

Jason Harwood: 51:09

hard.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 51:10

that's it. And I think that a lot of that communication happened in the Evans game where he thought he had help. He didn't have help, you know, just, just that, you know, familiarization, like you said, just the playing time. It just, it's, it's not there.

Jason Harwood: 51:23

All right, Jacob, I'm gonna let you ask

Jacob: 51:24

All right. Well, so the past defense for you guys, though, is actually it's not been bad, but the, the run defenses ring towards the bottom part of the league. Why do you think they're struggling with the run?

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 51:36

Good idea. You can take that one.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 51:37

We're trash. I,

Jacob: 51:39

You've got a really good linebacker, right? And I mean, the defensive tackles like

@Hello_Im_Dev: 51:43

We got to all pro linebackers and we only start to linebackers. So that means all the linebackers are all broke yet. We're still basically bottom barrel buckets in the, in the, you know, in run events, I can't figure it out either. You would think, you would think if you have John Allen, who's also been all pro and pro bowler in pain and then a legitimate first round talent picking a Jazeera Newton. They'll be able to at least open up run fits for the linebackers who are all pro, but it hasn't seemed to work all year. I will say this though, I guess the run, we have allowed some guys to get off for like a quarter and then usually we stopped that really quick and we get on top of it. Like Saquon did it. I think another couple of running backs did it too, had a, had a pretty good first or second drive. And after that we kind of locked it down. So I'm hoping, I'm hoping best worst case scenario for us. Is that what happened? I

Jacob: 52:37

you're

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 52:43

so dynamic

@Hello_Im_Dev: 52:44

Tom and

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 52:44

duo.

Jacob: 52:47

the shirt

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 52:48

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 52:49

it's

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 52:49

like a knuckles,

Jason Harwood: 52:50

on your shirt, man. Yeah.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 52:52

touchdowns between a man, 28 touchdowns. That's stupid,

@Hello_Im_Dev: 52:57

guys. I, I absolutely love, I have got drafted Gibbs by the way, in one of my leagues. I love, I love those guys. Jealous.

Jacob: 53:03

good. One, two punch.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 53:04

like Deb was saying, there's a little bit of context and nuance with that number with the, with the run defense being so bad. Yes. Statistically on the whole it's bad. I think it puts us at near the bottom of the league and yards allowed like 31st or 30 I think. But like Deb said, these guys will get off for two, for two quarters. First two quarters. And almost like clockwork. The first half, these guys are getting like 95 yards and we're like, damn, are we going to stop the Rona? We can, are we going to stop a, you know, who, who is it going to be today? Is it going to be you know, Tracy, is

Jacob: 53:35

So I'm going to go ahead and start the recording. I'm going to go ahead and start the recording. Okay. very much.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 53:40

I forget who the Cowboys guy is. Who, who is it going to be? Alvin Kamara did it to us too, but that second half Joe Witt, Jr. Always finds a way to adjust. And as a fan, it's frustrating. Cause you want to come out even keel across the whole game. So. could happen. He's really good at figuring out halftime adjustments coming in the third quarter. So yes, while that number is frustrating being so low in the league, it is a little bit nuanced because you don't, you don't see them giving up a lot of running yards on the back half of the game, which is crazy. Like I thought Bucky Irving was going to have a field day started off great second half didn't do anything. So it's something to

Jacob: 54:15

Okay. I've got the transcript. Okay. I'm sorry. I've got the transcript. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

Jason Harwood: 54:24

well, this is Dave Montgomery has come back from his MCL strain, whatever it

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 54:30

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 54:31

and yeah, he's ready to play. It's going to be interesting to see how strong his knee is if he's able to break tackles at the rate he was breaking before.

Jacob: 54:40

Yeah. Okay.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 54:59

you know,

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 55:00

It's insane.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 55:02

like film study of the lines or my little watching the lines here recently. What I found amazing though, he doesn't receive the ball a lot and when you if you just think of it, you're thinking, man, this guy does everything but you know, he he doesn't have a lot. I think he had like one game. We had like six receptions but nothing. He doesn't have any games like four outside of that. He's not really a factor in in the screen game which I feel like. That's what I would use him all the time on, you know, I would use him. Like we used to use Chris Thompson.

Jacob: 55:29

Okay.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 55:36

basically use them as an actual running back. And it doesn't feel that way on out until you like, look at it.

Jason Harwood: 55:41

I will say that, especially with David Montgomery's health, they're, they're not on the field together. So, you know, he's basically on the field half the time in an ideal situation. Montgomery's on half, that limits his chances. There's been all sorts of talk about, you know, especially every, you know, They'll slice training camp of him getting Gibbs on the field at the same time as Montgomery. What the Lions are all about are creating mismatches. So you want Gibbs up against a linebacker as opposed to a slot corner. Because if we got him up against slot corner, we already have, we have Amin Ra, Khalif. Those guys are wide receivers. They're better at running the slot than Jameer would be. So it's all about creating mismatches. On another team, I bet you Jameer runs, has a lot more catches. He's probably featured a little bit more, but the reason why he's so strong late in the year is that he's not getting overused early in the year.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 56:34

He's got less miles put on him. Thanks for that time. Share. He's just been, he's just really, really, really efficient,

Jacob: 56:40

Yeah. All

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 56:40

is

Jacob: 56:40

right.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 56:41

He's only started four games technically on the book size, but I, what I looked at, which is insane for the numbers he's putting up

Jason Harwood: 56:46

Yeah, well, I mean,

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 56:47

insanely.

Jason Harwood: 56:47

basically, I don't know how they're going to do in this playoff game, because it really depends on Dave and Montgomery, but generally Montgomery gets the first series. So he gets technically gets the start and then Gibbs will come. They flip flop series is how they typically do it. Now playoffs thing. They'll change things. They did last year that Gibbs played a lot more in the playoffs last year. And then Montgomery's got the wild card of being injured. So I don't know, I don't know how they're going to do it this year or this week, but that'll be a good. Yeah. Story for the game for sure. All right, guys, we've got a couple of questions. We'll wrap up with a couple of questions. First is I want to know, we'll start with you, Steve. And then Dev, I want you to answer as to who's going to have more rush yards in this game. You got Austin Eckler Robinson or Jane Daniels, who, if you had to pick out those three, who who's going to have the most rushing yards for the commanders, not, not the whole game.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 57:39

It said, Jane Daniels. It's been that way for the last six weeks, maybe of the season. Bryan Robinson has been trending down. It's a, it's combined with an increase, a decrease in the, in the quality of our offensive line. You know, the first half of the season, we're we're kind of behind. If you guys are familiar with football, you know, line play, we're, we're pulling, pulling guards. We're running counter trays. We're running traps. We're running the, the Washington you know, Redskins offense from the, from the Joe Gibbs era, the power running football, everyone's pulling tight ends are pulling, we're running, you know, three tight ends to one side of the field, and we just kind of stopped doing that. And so our run game has become anemic. Outside of Jane Daniels, who's creating those things by himself, you know, on naked boots or read options. So I think it's going to be Jane Daniels a hundred percent. Although I think Eckler probably have more yards than Brian Robbins because Eckler's back. He's just so fast. His feet are so fast. He has great vision and Brian Robinson just lacks a vision. So I, give me, give me Jane Daniels and leading the charge for the Russian game for the commanders.

Jason Harwood: 58:39

What

@Hello_Im_Dev: 58:39

Yeah, I agree. agree. I it'd be Jaden, Jaden, Jaden, Jaden all day. And I think the reason we stopped running cause we realized Jaden was good. I think at that point, we realized that, ah, we'll just go with this guy. You know what I'm saying? He's way better with the ball in his hands than Robinson. Let's go with this guy. That's what it felt. Whenever, when Eckler went down with the concussions, it felt like that without Eckler in the lineup alongside of him taking the pressure off Robinson, it felt like he just wasn't running as good. Like you can look at all the other running backs draw on the four points of but in the last six or so, but his is like 2. 9. Like, he

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 59:17

Yeah.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 59:18

he just leans on the offensive line as soon as he gets to the line. I can't figure out if it's if he's got the yips or something. It's something weird going on. I, I can't explain it. It all started with the Dallas game. We fumbled those three times. He hasn't been good since. Still young. Hopefully we'll get Jante or someone in the draft this year.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 59:37

You know, in

Jacob: 59:38

well, when your quarterback and stiff arm somebody on 3rd and 1 and make a big play like that, you know,

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 59:43

Oh,

Jacob: 59:44

what do you need the running back for?

@Hello_Im_Dev: 59:45

you know.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 59:46

well, I'll tell you, David, chasing him with a towel, running them down. So Chris Rodriguez is the guy who a lot of us like in the Washington space. He doesn't get enough recognition. He's been cut twice and brought back every time he's on, he gets the ball. He just, but He falls forward and finds those positive, you know, yardage. He's almost averaging like five yard, five yards. I carry. And he just never plays, never gets the ball. You hardly see him, but every time he comes in, he just, and it's, it's very little time. So we'd love to see more Chris Rodriguez. I doubt we will though. Cause he was an active against the bucks. Unfortunately. So they love Brian Robinson for whatever reason.

Jacob: 1:00:22

Rodriguez, I think he's from Kentucky, right? He was really good in college.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:00:26

guy. Yep.

Jacob: 1:00:29

Right?

Jason Harwood: 1:00:31

Hmm.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:00:33

little guy.

Jacob: 1:00:35

Alright, last question. What are your predictions for the game? So it doesn't have to be the score, just anything about the game that you think is gonna happen. If you had to make a prediction for something, it's gonna happen.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:00:50

Oh, I'll go first.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:00:51

Go ahead.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:00:53

Lions averaged 33 points a game. We averaged 28. We, I think you guys averaged more points against, isn't really a fair. I think you guys averaged allowed 20. 1. We averaged 23 against.

Jacob: 1:01:12

Yeah.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:01:19

30 to 27. Washington. I'm going to go I love Eminem, man, but I'm picking my, you know a

Jacob: 1:01:28

Nice.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:01:28

sorry, mama. Yeah. You think so?

Jason Harwood: 1:01:31

He said he

Jacob: 1:01:32

Usually.

Jason Harwood: 1:01:33

Yeah. He used to get to suite. He was at the Minnesota game. and they will, the lions, Pete, whatever, hype crew, whatever. They will they will put him up when we need the crowd the loudest because he definitely hypes up. Everyone loves Eminem and Detroit. And they did

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:01:53

Nice.

Jason Harwood: 1:01:53

two,

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:01:53

very

Jason Harwood: 1:01:54

they did two

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:01:54

much. Bye bye.

Jason Harwood: 1:01:57

was on the sidelines for that game. And apparently on the TV, they had them all over, over, you know, the whole game and

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:02:05

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 1:02:12

and the crowd, it got the loudest it had been in the stadium. So they do the same thing with Eminem. When they need the crowd to get extra loud, they'll. Play lose yourself and then turns it to a concert for a second and then they'll show Eminem up in his sweet box with Haley and you know, other family members. And yeah, it's, it's live. So

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:02:32

So he's almost like a, he's almost like a de facto ambassador for the lines from a, from a star perspective. We're still building that around here. We got,

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:02:40

always, I always thought it was RoboCop. I'm sorry. I'm

Jacob: 1:02:43

Yeah.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:02:43

so we have, we have Matthew McConaughey and Dale and Hart Jr, probably our biggest. You know, known fans. Well, yeah, Wale. Yeah. Wale. But,

Jacob: 1:02:53

Yeah.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:02:54

yeah, Matthew McConaughey is probably the biggest one for us.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:02:56

no hands on.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:02:57

For me, for me, I'm a little more skeptical. I think it's going to be like 30, 27 lines. You know, we're going to, we're going to hit the over. I think the over 55 and a half. I think we'll bust the over. I think that the commanders will, will cover that nine and a half for sure.

Jacob: 1:03:10

Yeah, yeah,

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:03:15

Have been the last seven games we played. We won and we've won them from the very last game. From scrimmage. And I think it's going to be I just, this team has just been found, found a way to stay resilient and the way to just go back and forth with everything. Everyone with everyone. This will be the, this will be a true measuring stick for this team. we'll fall a little bit short 30, 30 to 27, but you know, like we talked about earlier, this is house money for us. Like win, lose, or draw happy to be here. This is experience. Cause it takes, you gotta winning. You gotta learn how to win, you know, and this is year one of a rebuild. So, know, if we lose, I'll be pissed, but I'm not going to, I'm just happy to be here, man. We, this team is way further along than it should be. What Dev, am I supposed to say they're going to win?

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:04:00

Yeah, look, look, man,

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:04:01

I'm subjective, man.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:04:04

this is, this is, this is, this is just we're so used to getting beat up every year. We're not used to being good. So everybody says, oh, we're not supposed to be good, but man, we got 11 pro ball alternates and four all pros

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:04:15

Yeah. I

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:04:16

how much better you're supposed to be, bro. We got 12 wins, man. what I'm saying? 12 wins, 4 All Pros, 11 Pro Bowl Alternates. Now, you're supposed to expect to win. You're not supposed to expect to go out there, Oh, I hope we do well. You know, that's crazy talk, man. We're not the Giants, bro. You know what I'm saying? We're not the Bears, man. They're in Cabo somewhere.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:04:39

mean, you guys did lose. You guys lost to the bucks earlier in the season who we just beat.

Jacob: 1:04:44

yeah,

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:04:44

you lost to the bills too, who, you know, a lot of people lose to the bills. They're one of the best teams in the NFL.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:04:48

were don't lose a bill. We'll be two winning teams, bro. They're the worst division in football.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:04:53

I mean, we did the same thing. We barely, we, I don't know how many winning teams we beat. One.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:04:56

my point. That's my point. Steve. See, they do the same thing we do, but nobody says, oh man, I'm surprised. They're winning 12 games, but they're surprised. We're winning. We got we got more all pros and Pro Bowls in the bills. Kansas City Chiefs ain't even got a Pro

Jacob: 1:05:10

yeah, yeah.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:05:12

even

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:05:13

It's the chiefs though.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:05:13

this year. They

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:05:14

they're

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:05:15

bowler. They got one pro bowler on defense. And they got and they're the number one defense in the NFL. Explain it. But

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:05:22

15, 16.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:05:25

pro balls and it's four all pros, two on defense. You know what I'm saying? And then you, and everybody's telling me, man, we're just, we're just happy to be here. No, man, you, you should expect to win.

Jacob: 1:05:37

Well, that's about the expectation level, right? Like before the season with the rookie quarterback, the new head coach, I mean, you know, no one really knew what to expect. You talk about, you know,

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:05:45

me

Jacob: 1:05:45

in the preseason talking towards next year and now you've got the target and now everyone, the expectations are higher.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:05:51

exactly, you

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:05:52

Seven wins. Seven wins.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:05:54

like six, seven wins. I would have been happy with five or six. I've been like, Hey man, we're going to get milk. But hey, that was the end, dawg. That was four all pros and 11 pro ball alternates ago.

Jacob: 1:06:04

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 1:06:05

I'd

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:06:06

just saying.

Jason Harwood: 1:06:06

I'd say this is how we felt. I don't know about Jacob. to speak for you, but going in the NFC championship last year, a lot of people use that term that you use Steve house money. Like, Oh,

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:06:18

Yeah. Silence.

Jason Harwood: 1:06:22

the last 60 years. And now we're in the NFC championship game. going into that game, I thought San Francisco was a better team. I thought, okay, I just want to have a good showing. I want to show that we belong. The lions belong in this game. And, but then we showed that we more than belong and we probably should have won that game. Have we not blown it in the second half? But. It's all built on expectation. So I could get where you're both your viewpoints are and get where yours is. Steve, you're happy to be there. I mean, you're looking at the future and you're thinking, Hey, we, you know, we got something to build on and dev. I like your, I like your, you know, your attitude too. Like, no, we shouldn't be happy just to be here. We should, we, we can win this game. like that. I like both your viewpoints and I think they're both valid. It's all about expectations and Siva. I think that you think, Hey, we, I, not that you're discounting your team, but you're just trying to be, not Homer ish, I guess is what, you

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:07:19

Yeah, I, I take the emotion out of it. I'm very subjective, you know, not, I don't say we're going to win every game. I've picked us to lose many times this year. We, we didn't I just, you know, this one thing I will point out though, this team has been like a team of destiny. It's been really crazy how we won a lot of these games this year. It's just really hard to explain to anyone who hasn't been watching. It's, it's,

Jacob: 1:07:45

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:07:50

think we should have won. We ended up winning, you know, we, we, we ripped off, you know, four in a row, then three in a row, then we won our last six. It's like, holy smokes. So there, there's something to that too, but you know, from the odds makers in Vegas, they, they go off facts, they go off what they see and you know, they're, they're spotting, they're spotting nine and a half. So there is something to that too.

Jason Harwood: 1:08:12

I think if you, some edgy judges sparked an idea of my like Dan Campbell, you know, when we were losing all those games then, you know, in three and 13, then we went one and six to start his second year. He basically said, we just need to figure out how to win games. We're there. We're just losing them. And You know, one play here, one play there. And you guys to have figured that out in the first year of this rebuild, that's, I mean, part of that's, you know, having a rookie quarterback, that's playing way higher than expectations. And you know, that the fact that he's already tried to fix, you know, he's already figured out how to win these close games, that's only going to serve better for you guys in the future.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:08:54

And, and, and one of the things I admire about the lions is, you know, when they were in hard knocks and people were, were clowning, not clowning, they were like, Dan Campbell just hired a bunch of. Players for coaches for his staff. We'll look, look, look at them. Now, those players end up being fantastic coaches, Mark Brunel, you know, Glenn, like these guys ended up being really, really, really good coaches. And I feel like it was a model the commanders kind of followed the Dan Quinn kind of followed, you know, you build your team with talent, but instead of players, Dan Quinn found a bunch of former head coaches. So we have a lot, you know, we have the head coaching experience on our, on our staff with Kingsbury and Anthony land. So, and so that, that. the lion's model is a good model of fun. I think we're kind of following it, you know, tangentially, but I think we're, we're following that same model. So defensive coach, you know, the head head coach, defensive coach, we have a defensive coach, offensive corner and talk about getting plucked. They're talking about plucking our offensive coordinator. So that's just the nature of the beast when you have a defensive head coach.

Jason Harwood: 1:09:52

Yeah, I, I think the thing that gets lost when you can't, you can't duplicate. Like, oh, we should just hire former players. No, you have to hire the right former players. You got to have people that know ball. I mean, they're going to command respect from their players just because they've been in that spot. So you have that starting going forward, but if you do not make that player better, if that coach doesn't make that player better, they're going to tune that guy out, just like they're going to tune a guy out that didn't ever play. of ball in his life. They, you, the player, the coat, the players want to get better and they want to win and the coach better provide that for him. That's why like, everyone's like, who's going to hire the next day and Campbell, Dan Campbell is a one of one. Okay. The guy that can lead, I'm not saying that there's no one, not a better coach. I'm not saying that, but I'm saying you can't just go in and say, oh, we're going to hire the next Dan Campbell. No one like him. He leads unlike anybody else. He gets people to fall behind, you know, get in line. Everyone's in lock and step in this organization. It's really, it's really nice to see. Not saying that what the model you need to take is you need to find leaders. Like that's what he's hired. Aaron Glenn's a leader. Ben Johnson's a leader. Those are guys that will follow. And that's the model that you need to take. It's not about hiring, you know, the next Dan Campbell. It's about taking that overall, like everyone needs to be in lockstep. And, you know, it's hard to explain, but you just can't, like you said, the commanders are taking their own, they're taking that little model, but they're taking it to

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:11:27

Yeah,

Jason Harwood: 1:11:27

doing their own thing.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:11:28

for sure. And these guys would run through a wall for Dan Quinn. It's crazy. The camaraderie he's built to this locker room. We, we, we thought we had that with Brown a very little bit, but it's just different, like these guys, all they talk about is each other and Dan Quinn. All they talk about is coach Quinn. Like how many times we dev, I can't tell you last time players talked so good about coach as opposed to this year. And we have one of our assistant quarterbacks coaches, your guys, former backup quarterback and David Blau.

Jacob: 1:11:52

Yeah,

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:11:53

Just doing it out there too. So

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:11:54

I liked David Blownhardt and Knox too, when he was there in the Lions.

Jacob: 1:11:58

yeah.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:11:59

I do remember that.

Jason Harwood: 1:12:00

You know, I would take it back to Ron Rivera. Probably got a bad shake just because of the ownership group. I mean,

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:12:05

a hundred percent, a hundred percent.

Jason Harwood: 1:12:07

cause like I like Ron Rivera when he was with Carolina, you know, I don't want him to go to the bears because I don't want.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:12:14

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 1:12:15

to have a good like leadership person over there. I don't, they don't need any of that over, you know, in our division, but I, you know, I think for me, Ron Rivera, probably just got, I don't think he's a bad coach. He just had, you know, just bad ownership group and they just couldn't get it. You know, the

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:12:31

Yeah. If, if they had have just allowed him to coach, I think he'd been fine. He was also, not only, he was a coach, he was a guru, spirit advisor, shaman. He was every, you know, dad that guy like washing cars in the driveway, you know,

Jacob: 1:12:44

Okay.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:12:44

lights off at night.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:12:46

GM.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:12:46

just bring'em here to clean that. Just bring'em here. Know plunge toilets too while you're at it. You know, that's what we still end up with. Sewage on the field. Ha ha. Remember that incident? You know, but definitely, you know, if he had just been here to coach, I think his career would have been better. You know, Dan Snyder is just a terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible person and owner. So

Jason Harwood: 1:13:10

Owner and yeah, just a human being in

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:13:13

yeah.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:13:13

Yes. A hundred percent.

Jason Harwood: 1:13:15

Yeah. right. We appreciate you guys being out for so long. This has been an awesome conversation. I hope you guys enjoyed it as much as we do. And we're still invited for tomorrow on your show.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:13:25

Absolutely.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:13:26

scores. You never told us y'all scores.

Jason Harwood: 1:13:28

us to do our, we

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:13:29

Yeah. I want to know what y'all going to say.

Jason Harwood: 1:13:32

Jacob doesn't like to do this. He thinks he's superstitious.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:13:36

We have a lot of people that don't do it either. So it's

Jacob: 1:13:38

I don't want to jinx anything. So, you know, that's my whole thing.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:13:42

going to win. He told me before the podcast, he

Jacob: 1:13:44

No, no, no, no,

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:13:45

don't tell Jason. Well, y'all going to beat us. That's what he said.

Jason Harwood: 1:13:48

I,

Jacob: 1:13:49

no. 52 to nothing.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:13:50

Yeah.

Jacob: 1:13:51

I'm just kidding. Yeah.

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:13:52

And it was, is what he

Jason Harwood: 1:13:54

yeah, I don't know the commander score is going to be. I don't want to put any points on you guys. I, I feel we're going north of 40. just going to

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:14:04

said. Y'all going to put 40 burger on us.

Jason Harwood: 1:14:06

think

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:14:06

We're going to get 42.

Jason Harwood: 1:14:07

I will see. I mean, it's fine.

Jacob: 1:14:09

That could happen.

Jason Harwood: 1:14:10

be there cheering and I won't have a voice on Sunday. And if it's 40 lines, as long as the lines come out on top whatever, if we get to move to the next round, but I think the lines are going to be really motivated and come out and, and I think they're going to start hot, especially having that week off, I think they're going to be ready to go. That's my personal feeling, but Jacob,

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:14:30

y'all rest.

Jason Harwood: 1:14:31

Are you going to, you want to keep it to yourself?

Jacob: 1:14:34

if we're saying points, I'll say we're hovering around 30.

Jason Harwood: 1:14:37

You're

Jacob: 1:14:38

don't know that we'll score 40, but I mean, you know, I hope you're right.

Jason Harwood: 1:14:41

Yeah, I, I feel

Jacob: 1:14:43

It's also the faster we score, the faster we give, you know, the more opportunities we give them to score. You know, so,

Jason Harwood: 1:14:49

yeah.

Jacob: 1:14:49

why I'm on the bills.

Jason Harwood: 1:14:51

Yes. 48

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:14:53

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 1:14:54

that score. Oh man. All right. So Steve, Dev, why don't you tell our listeners where they could find you and what you got guys going on this playoff week,

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:15:03

Yep. I'm Steve Lim underscore DC, or you can follow command this at command underscore this on X. We're also on Instagram and Facebook, all the socials. We live stream every Monday and Thursday with a pregame postgame. You can catch us anywhere. Just Google. Command this podcast and you will, you will see us there. And we're at our, we have our pregame you guys as our honored guests. And we'll be back Monday for the post game, regardless of how that works out. So thanks for having us. And hope to see you guys out there.

Jason Harwood: 1:15:31

Dev, where they, can they

Jacob: 1:15:32

All

@Hello_Im_Dev: 1:15:39

as Steve, Commander's Podcast Mondays and Thursdays 830 Eastern, 730 Central. we do a live on a Facebook, I mean, not Facebook, we're YouTube, you can, and Twitter. You can follow us on Spotify as well, man which is where I listen to it everywhere

Jacob: 1:15:56

right.

Jason Harwood: 1:15:57

Yeah, well, we want to thank you guys for coming on. I checked you guys's podcasts out before I got on. So I knew I would, what I was getting into. I knew we were in good hands and you guys did not disappoint. So thank you very much.

Steve / Command This! Podcast: 1:16:08

Thanks for having us guys. It's been a pleasure.

Jason Harwood: 1:16:13

All right, Jacob. Those guys are a lot of fun to have on, so I,

Jacob: 1:16:16

Absolutely.

Jason Harwood: 1:16:17

time. Yeah, was good. And we play them next year, so hopefully we get a chance to out with those guys a little bit more. All right, Jacob. This is it. This is the key point. We're, we're in playoff time, right? So we got to get to our keys of victory. I'm gonna let you start off. What's your first key to victory?

Jacob: 1:16:36

I feel like I say this all the time, but you know what? Play lions football. We just, we have to run, we have to run the ball. We have to run the ball. Well, let that open up play action. Let Jared golf, you know, catch them sleeping. It can be done. You know, the run defense is towards the bottom. Obviously this is the playoffs. They're going to be coming out with everything that they have. We've got a bye week. I trust that they're gonna be prepared. We we have to have success running the football.

Jason Harwood: 1:17:05

Yeah, I agree with that. We, we're talking about the guys, Steve made the point that commanders are quick to adjust at halftime and they seem to be able to bottle the run up after that. could be too late for them by that time, if we're already running. And also they have not faced an offensive line like the Detroit lions. And that is when the lions running game really starts getting cooked and is in the second half when we are, We're smelling a victory and we just need to keep the ball. And I have a feeling Dave Montgomery is going to be fired up for this game. And I hope that he comes back full strength and be able to help us out. Cause

Jacob: 1:17:46

Definitely.

Jason Harwood: 1:17:47

punch back, it's going to be awesome.

Jacob: 1:17:49

Well, that's what helps in the second half, too, is the fact that defense is gonna be worn out. And, you know, by that point, you've got Jameer Gibbs that maybe he's only touched the ball like eight or nine times. He's fresh and he's ready to break off, you know, 60, 70 yard run. If you're, you know. He's a linebacker, he's a defensive lineman, they're gonna be tired battling.

Jason Harwood: 1:18:08

I agree. And then, like you said, get, they get tired and then they start getting punchy and dropping up the line. And we hit him with a play extra pass and hit Amin Ra, James or Sam Laporta over the middle, boom. And, we could take advantage of them that, that way too. My key to victory is. Similar to what we did with Sam Darnold rattle, we got in Sam Darnold's kitchen and we rattled them. We need to, the crowd needs to be into it. We need to get Jane Daniels off his game. He showed incredible composure this year. I watched that whole playoff game with the Bucs. The moment never seemed too big

Jacob: 1:18:48

Okay.

Jason Harwood: 1:18:58

pocket and just him throw and not use his legs. That's going to be the most important part.

Jacob: 1:19:06

Yes, I'm interested to see, you know, can he be rattled? He's a rookie. We don't really know yet. You know, we knew it darn all we get to him. And I mean, things start to break down. You don't know if that's the case with this guy. And you're right. The pressure never seemed like too much last week. He had that one play where he took that shot, you know, had the cut, they ended up having to like tape up and everything like that. Didn't slow him down. He didn't hesitate. He's still stiff arm in that linebacker towards the end of the game. I mean, you know, this kid's ready to play. So my next key to victory, you know, with that is just we have to make sure that they. We have to limit their third and fourth and short. You know, they're like us. If they have a fourth and two there, you have no shame in going for it. You know, third and one, it's gonna be very hard to stop that team. And if we do stop'em on third down, they're probably gonna try for it again on fourth. And when you have somebody like Jayden Daniels, you know, they, the playbook's wide open, you don't know what they're gonna do. So I think if we limit them you know, to those short yard abilities, that's gonna go a long way and help us get more stops on defense.

Jason Harwood: 1:20:06

agree. It's. Their run game, we just need to like, like you said, treat third down, like second down, like kind of how the lions do. So if they get to a third and five, there's no, they have no problem running the ball and you better be ready for that. Cause if they could get the fourth and two, then they're super hard to stop. Cause they got RPO, they got, whatever Jane Daniels went. They, they can run him and that's going to be just difficult to stop. So we just need to keep them behind the sticks. Don't let the run game. Don't let them get into anything third and manageable. Keep it, keep it long. Daniels was just so hard. It's going to just stop on those in the bucks game. He was constantly able to get Dick send to get the first downs. It's going to be really important for our linebackers to read their keys and stay, know, on our edge people to. Stay disciplined and hold the edge and do not crash too hard and let everybody do their job.

Jacob: 1:21:08

Definitely. I mean, they're, you know, the mobile quarterback thing has haunted the lions of perceptions that we, you know, can't hang with the mobile quarterback. So, you know, they just carve us up. And that hasn't been the case this year. We just have to stick to what we've been doing. And, you know, I trust that Aaron Glenn is going to have a good game plan. He's going to call it the right way.

Jason Harwood: 1:21:27

Yep. Right. I'm all trust in Aaron Glenn. He put up a monster game plan against Minnesota. He's had two weeks. I know that he had They basically, I, from what the lions, sounds like from their coaches, they didn't plan ahead for any of the teams. That first week was a lot of self correction. They did, they did like some third down stuff. It was a lot of self assessment because you think about the lines, they didn't have their bi week was so early week five, how are you going to self scout for four weeks? It's early in the season. They're closer to training camp than they are to the end of the season. This coaching staff typically would do a lot of self correction in the first week, a lot of self assessment. We weren't afforded that opportunity. So they use that this, this first week. So I look for them to look alike, a lot of their tendencies to correct a lot of that and just. Be ready for, for the moment, and we're going to have to rattle this quarterback. I don't, like you said, I don't

Jacob: 1:22:26

Yes,

Jason Harwood: 1:22:34

even if it's not necessarily the rattle and Jane, Jane Daniels, it's getting their offensive line to jump off side, it's getting a delay. A game, those five yards are so important. And I would be, I mean, my over under on. Would be like three and a half, whether ball starts delay of games or timeouts, forcing them to call an early timeout. You get someone to call an early timeout and what could be a close game, like in the third quarter. That's. That's a win getting to burn that time out, and then we get the ball back at the end of the game and we can run an extra 40 seconds off the clock because, made them burn a timeout.

Jacob: 1:23:12

yes

Jason Harwood: 1:23:13

you got any new, I got some other stats that I think are important to look at when you come into this game. Do you

Jacob: 1:23:17

yeah, go ahead.

Jason Harwood: 1:23:18

to victory? All

Jacob: 1:23:19

no.

Jason Harwood: 1:23:20

So Washington uses man coverage at the fifth highest rate. In the NFL, which is very good for the Lions because Jared Goff excels at man, destroying man coverage. He had a league high 71. 3 percent completion percentage man this year. threw 20 touchdown passes and not a single interception with

Jacob: 1:23:44

Like those numbers.

Jason Harwood: 1:23:45

Yeah. So that's good. Deep Washington runs a lot of man. Great, great for us. I look for Sam Laporta to have a good, to continue his hot streak. I think he's going to be vital. He's going to. He's going to be a first down machine. I had talked about, I think in, I don't know, in the bi week, I don't know which podcast I expected him to have a really good playoffs. He, in weeks 13 through 18, he generated 273 receiving yards on target target, I'm sorry, excuse me, on targets in the seams, most among 10, 10 ends. It was only one of five 10 ends to catch multiple touchdowns. Those are all the next gen stats.

Jacob: 1:24:24

Yeah,

Jason Harwood: 1:24:24

He started out slow this year, but he's come on late. And I expect him to just continue that in the playoffs.

Jacob: 1:24:32

definitely.

Jason Harwood: 1:24:33

Another player that we might be able to attack is Marshawn Lattimore. Mike Evans. Ate his lunch out last week and Marshawn Lattimore is a very good player, but he's obviously playing injured. We talked about it with the boys over at command. This secretary is all about communication. He's coming in late and the communications obviously not there. You got a great route runner in a month. I'm in rock. You get matched up with Marshawn Lattimore. That's a huge advantage for Amin Ra. And I expect them to take advantage of that. All right, Jacob, anything more you want to add?

Jacob: 1:25:14

No, man, I'm ready.

Jason Harwood: 1:25:16

I am, I am so ready for this game. I can't wait to be there. I'm glad it's Saturday night. Cause then we get to like, we both have, do you have Sunday off?

Jacob: 1:25:27

Yes. Yes.

Jason Harwood: 1:25:28

Yeah. So we got Sunday off. We can just live in that. Zone for a little bit and hope, if it

Jacob: 1:25:35

Hopefully it's a victory Sunday.

Jason Harwood: 1:25:37

Yeah. If it comes out the way we think it's gonna happen. And we got a week, we got one week to, to gear up for another huge matchup. So let's get into our grit picks. All right. Jacob, how'd we fare last week?

Jacob: 1:25:56

All right. Chargers at Houston. Morgan picked with us last week. So Chargers at Houston, all three of us pick the Chargers. That was just. It was an ugly game, you know, Justin Herbert, what a time to have the worst game, you know, of your season, his receivers weren't really doing him any favors either, but it just, you know, drive after drive, just couldn't get it together and you know, the Texans, I think they were behind like six to nothing, almost at the end of the first half when they scored the touchdown, just a really weird game.

Jason Harwood: 1:26:25

CJ's. CJ Stroud throws picks in the first half and you still go in halftime losing 10 to six. And so deflating

Jacob: 1:26:37

Right, right. Yeah, we, we all picked the charters, we all expected more, and I mean, honestly, watching the first half of the game, I still expected the charters to come out and pull that out, and they did not. Steelers at Ravens, we all picked the Ravens, thought it was gonna be pretty, you know, A pretty rough game for the Steelers, and it was. They just, you know, looked like they didn't belong.

Jason Harwood: 1:27:01

They did not look like a Steelers team. They did not look like they played hard. I, don't know. And then Mike Tomlin not going for it on fourth and one or whatever. I don't care

Jacob: 1:27:11

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 1:27:12

field you are on. I know that we're in the whole Dan Campbell mode, but you're the Steelers going against Baltimore Ravens, like the number two offense. You're going to need to keep up with them. You cannot keep giving them chances. They, they needed Steelers need to take chances on their own and not play conservatively. And I like Mike Tomlin, but I did not agree with those decisions.

Jacob: 1:27:37

Yes. No, me neither. It was just weird.

Jason Harwood: 1:27:41

All right. Denver at Buffalo. I pick Buffalo. Jacob picked Denver. Look, started out. Right. I was waiting for a text from you. Like after a Bo Nix

Jacob: 1:27:51

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 1:27:51

long touchdown, I, it, the text never came. I thought for sure. You're going to be gloating. Like I called

Jacob: 1:27:57

You know, my friend is a Broncos fan, and after that first touchdown, I texted him, I just said, BOOM, all capital letters. And that was the only boom the Broncos had. It just went really far downhill after that.

Jason Harwood: 1:28:09

It did. It did. Even Sean Payton, called out the fake punt. Jack Fox would have been proud of the throw the punter made over there. And then they ended up having to punt again, right

Jacob: 1:28:22

Right.

Jason Harwood: 1:28:23

drive. So just really deflating. All right. Next game, we'll look at Jacob Green Bay at Philly. How, how'd we pick that one?

Jacob: 1:28:31

Well, I picked Philly. You picked Green Bay. I don't know if that was Wishel thinking because you wanted to play Green Bay or you just wanted Philly to lose.

Jason Harwood: 1:28:38

Yeah,

Jacob: 1:28:38

don't know, member.

Jason Harwood: 1:28:40

both, but

Jacob: 1:28:41

Jordan Love looked terrible.

Jason Harwood: 1:28:43

Well, I will say that the NFC North was a big winner because of what you just said. Jordan Love looked terrible. Both those NFC North quarterbacks we'll get to the other game later on. Just really pooped the poop, the bad

Jacob: 1:28:56

Right. Ha ha.

Jason Harwood: 1:28:57

yeah, just, yeah, look bad. Washington at Tampa. So the team that we're going to face this week came out on top. We have both picked Washington and it came to fruition. That was a fun game that we had talked about leading in that we thought that this would be the most competitive game and it truly was, and that was a lot of fun to watch.

Jacob: 1:29:17

Yes, no, it was a great game.

Jason Harwood: 1:29:21

Yeah. I, I didn't realize like quarter snuck up on me like towards the end. And then, commanders just had that thing where they would go for it on fourth down and they basically they're running the clock all the way down. And you realize. Tampa Bay is not going to get another chance with this ball in this game. And yeah, it was, and then you hear the doink and

Jacob: 1:29:45

Yeah

Jason Harwood: 1:29:46

did you know it went in right away?

Jacob: 1:29:49

I thought that it went in. I mean, it wasn't like how typical, you know, it was far enough on the inside of the post, it looked like it went in. But, you know, there's a second where you freeze, like, oh man, you're waiting for the ref, like,

Jason Harwood: 1:29:58

I know.

Jacob: 1:29:59

I can't imagine being a Commanders fan, like,

Jason Harwood: 1:30:01

god. I can't imagine that either. Maybe we'll ask the command We didn't talk about that during the

Jacob: 1:30:06

right?

Jason Harwood: 1:30:06

we'll we'll maybe ask them how they felt about that. Tomorrow when we talk to those guys All right, jacob. Let's talk about the last game this game that was on monday night minnesota at los angeles. How'd we pick that one? Okay.

Jacob: 1:30:18

We, we said the Rams were gonna do it, and we Did not believe in Sam Donald and the Vikings we both picked the Rams and you know It was even worse than I thought it was gonna be I didn't think it was gonna be a good game for the Vikings Especially, you know earlier in the season They lost the game to us and then they played the Rams right after and they lost the game to the Rams Didn't have a good game, you know, but this was just So bad for Sam Darnold and the Vikings. I mean, really Darnold played terrible, but I kind of think that you know, Kevin O'Connell got out coach there too. I mean, it just was, the scheme wasn't working, nothing was working for the Vikings and it just was almost like they laid down there at the end of just, you know, they didn't really threaten at all. And then they're still trying to run the ball towards the end. And, you know, it's just not working. Yeah. Just really weird.

Jason Harwood: 1:31:08

Yeah, it was really weird. I mean, Sam Darnold cost himself, did the lions break him? Was the pressure break him? I, I don't know. I felt kind of disappointed that the Rams were able to keep that offense under wraps. It like made me second, think of like what we had done the week before. Is it this easy? But no, the Vikings had played well all season. So I just think the. Sam Darnold lost himself in the pressure and, superior coaches won that even though Kevin O'Connell may win coach of the year, which would be really disappointing after how his game looked in the last two weeks.

Jacob: 1:31:44

That'd be a consolation prize for him.

Jason Harwood: 1:31:47

Yeah, I, if Dan Campbell doesn't win, I'm, I'm going to be upset about that. All

Jacob: 1:31:53

We talked about this. Historically, they don't give it to the best teams like that, so.

Jason Harwood: 1:31:58

I know.

Jacob: 1:31:58

He's most deserving, absolutely, but.

Jason Harwood: 1:32:01

Yeah, it's just with the injuries and everything, what we've had to overcome this

Jacob: 1:32:05

Right.

Jason Harwood: 1:32:05

not many teams could do that. So

Jacob: 1:32:07

No.

Jason Harwood: 1:32:08

he deserves it. And, I the vote came out after the Minnesota. Viking Sam. So I'm hoping that how we played in that game, how the teams looked plays a factor into that and pushes our guy over the top, but.

Jacob: 1:32:24

Yep.

Jason Harwood: 1:32:25

We'll see how it goes. All right. Let's move on to this week's game. Jacob first game is going to be Houston at Kansas city. A game. I'm really looking forward to, we've talked about this a fair amount at work today. And I don't know where you're going to lean. I'll go first. I'm going to say Kansas city does pull this one out. However, I know the spread's large on this one. I could see either team winning this, but I'm going to go with Kansas city.

Jacob: 1:32:51

Yeah, agreed. I mean, this could go any way. Honestly, I think the Texans could just blow away the Chiefs. I also think the Chiefs could surprise and beat the Texans by double digits. I think the difference for this is just going to be that the Chargers shot themselves in the foot so much last week. The Texans gave them plenty of opportunities to take and they just didn't do anything with it. The Chiefs are a veteran team, so they're not going to make as many mistakes and they're, they are going to make you pay when you make those mistakes. So I do think the Chiefs are going to win this game.

Jason Harwood: 1:33:22

Yeah, I think you're right on that assessment that chiefs are not going to make those, they're not going to have those errors. However, if there's any defense set up to, be the chiefs, the chiefs offense is not all, has not been superior this, this year, but I mean, I think the edge players for Houston could get to Patrick Mahomes and if they get him to throw a pick, an untimely attack. They. They might be able to take advantage of that. So we'll, we'll see. I think Kansas City wins, but I see a situation where Houston, Houston wins this game too.

Jacob: 1:33:56

Yes.

Jason Harwood: 1:33:57

So the next game on the docket is the game that we're both most excited to see it's Washington at We do not pick the game, but we're going to pick an over under in this game. And the over under right now was set at 55 and a half. Jacob you go first. Are you going over or under 55 and a half?

Jacob: 1:34:17

I think you still have to go over. I mean, our defense looked really good last time and you know, hopefully, hopefully we're able to put some more stops up and you know, Control the ball a little bit longer, you know, with the bills game. I don't mention that already, but you know, we scored Often as well So then they scored off and you know That's how the score got so high and got a little bit out of hand If we get back to what we're normally doing and have those longer drives, you know They take five, six minutes off the clock and then we're able to score and stop them then, you know, then I could see a situation where it's going to be under and we still win by a lot. But if I'm a betting man on this one, I think I'm going to say over

Jason Harwood: 1:34:58

I'm going to go with the over on this too. However, if we dominate with the run game. Then I could see this going, just being an under, just cause more clocks going to be run off,

Jacob: 1:35:12

exactly. Right.

Jason Harwood: 1:35:13

but we'll see lines on top anyways. But yeah, I, I'm gonna, I'm gonna say the over two, I'm typically an under man, but I Well, I think in the interview, I said the lions were going to, they asked me a prediction for the game. And I said, lions are going to score 40. So if the under that would be commanders would score less than 15. So I, yeah, I

Jacob: 1:35:33

We'd be okay with that.

Jason Harwood: 1:35:34

go. Yeah. And now I'm totally fine with that. All right, Jacob, next game Rams at Philadelphia Eagles. What what you got on this one?

Jacob: 1:35:44

I mean, this is the one or what can we watching closely, right? Hopefully by the time this happens, we've already won our game and we're going to play in one of these two teams for a shot at the super bowl. You know, The Rams looked really dangerous last week, and I know it's gonna be tough playing in Philly. The Rams definitely, you know, are capable of upsetting them, and if they play like they did last week, it's gonna be a really close game. Just looking at it, like, who do I want to win? Who would I rather play? I honestly don't know if I'd rather play Philly or LA right now. I'm gonna say the Rams win a close game.

Jason Harwood: 1:36:21

Okay, that's, yeah, I'm right with you, man. I, I don't know who I'd want to play either. They both have their advantages and they both had their pitfalls. I, I don't want to face Stafford with the chance to go to the super bowl. I just don't want that at it's a, for me as a fan. don't think the lions maybe look at it like this, but for me as a fan, I just don't want to lose the Stafford and go to the super bowl. I don't want to feel that extra pressure, but also I think Philadelphia is a pretty good team and I don't necessarily want to face them either. I'm going with Philly wins us in a close game, but I really, I really struggled with probably the three games outside of the Detroit game. I really struggled with. would win on any of those games? I think, whereas last week was a lot of blowouts. I'm, I'm thinking that these games are going to be just a lot more competitive. I'm at least hoping for some really good playoff, really good games outside of our game, our game could be a blowout with

Jacob: 1:37:20

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 1:37:21

free win, but the other ones I hope they're, all game, and hopefully the Rams and the Eagles just beat the crap out of each other. Not saying I want people injured, but if they got

Jacob: 1:37:29

No, but.

Jason Harwood: 1:37:30

and

Jacob: 1:37:30

Tired. Yeah. Right.

Jason Harwood: 1:37:31

okay with that. If they're feeling sore for a couple of days afterwards, I'm okay with that. All

Jacob: 1:37:36

Yeah, the Eagles are actually six and a half point favorites right now in that game. You'd have thought of them a little closer, so.

Jason Harwood: 1:37:42

Yeah. The spreads are really, really strange in these games. Yeah, I, sometimes it doesn't matter with who's the better team. It's all about where the bedding's putting, where, where

Jacob: 1:37:53

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 1:37:54

But I don't know, I'd have a hard time given six and a half points to the. To the Rams just

Jacob: 1:38:03

Right.

Jason Harwood: 1:38:04

to me. All right. Baltimore Buffalo for the last game. Jacob, who do you, who you got in this one?

Jacob: 1:38:10

Man, this, this is the marquee matchup, right? Ravens are favored right now by one point. At Buffalo, this has all, you know, all the makings of a classic playoff game. You know, this could be a really good game. The only thing I would say would be holding this back is the weather. I don't know what the weather's like in Buffalo right now. It's going to be cold, but you know, that's one of the things where we differ because I prefer them to play indoor football.

Jason Harwood: 1:38:39

Playoffs. I

Jacob: 1:38:39

know you,

Jason Harwood: 1:38:40

have, I don't really want weather to be a factor. I want

Jacob: 1:38:43

right?

Jason Harwood: 1:38:44

teams. I'd rather have that decided by the teams as opposed to some external factor.

Jacob: 1:38:50

Yes. That's why, yeah, I prefer the indoor thing. I mean, this one could go either way. Last week I took the Broncos to upset the Bills. I think this week I'm gonna say that the Bills beat the Ravens.

Jason Harwood: 1:39:02

All right, I'm going the other way. I'm going both Baltimore over Buffalo. I, this really, I know, I know the spread even. Says this is a pick them game. I really think it is. We'll see, Buffalo's looked really strong at some points this season, but then, against the Rams, they, they couldn't, they couldn't stop them and even against the lions, we don't have a fumble for mom and rah, we, we might win that game too. Just, just outscoring them. Baltimore's offense is no joke. And even if weather is a factor, weather comes in, you got Derek Henry and they can overcome that. So I'm going to, I'm going to take Baltimore.

Jacob: 1:39:42

Follow up question.

Jason Harwood: 1:39:43

yeah,

Jacob: 1:39:44

just, I mean, so, let's say this, the winner of this game is who, we're gonna make it to the Super Bowl, the winner of this game is who we play. Would you rather play the Bills or the Ravens?

Jason Harwood: 1:39:55

wow. I mean, I know we lost the Buffalo earlier this year, but I have an Alex back as a.

Jacob: 1:40:04

Right.

Jason Harwood: 1:40:05

And I think that the lions would, I like our chances against Buffalo again. I think the lions would be tough to beat twice in one season. I still have a bad taste in my mouth from last

Jacob: 1:40:20

Yes. Right.

Jason Harwood: 1:40:22

I'd rather They're the team that I probably want to face the least in the Superbowl is Baltimore. they're just set up to, they're a very tough matchup for the Lions, just really tough matchup. I mean, they're tough matchup for everybody. I, the Ravens are very, very good team. So putting, I, I guess I would go Buffalo. Where are you at?

Jacob: 1:40:43

No, agreed. I want another shot at the Bills. Plus, I think the Bills lying in the Super Bowl would be good for the league, it'd be good for everybody.

Jason Harwood: 1:40:51

Yeah.

Jacob: 1:40:51

And I think we can take them. I think, you know, you definitely have our hands full with the Ravens.

Jason Harwood: 1:40:57

Yeah.

Jacob: 1:40:58

Hoping somebody else can take them out.

Jason Harwood: 1:41:00

Yeah. Out of the big three, for pushing Houston out or whatever,

Jacob: 1:41:05

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 1:41:05

Baltimore is the least one I want to face. Who would you rather face out of Kansas city or Buffalo?

Jacob: 1:41:12

Kansas City.

Jason Harwood: 1:41:13

Yeah.

Jacob: 1:41:13

Absolutely.

Jason Harwood: 1:41:14

Yeah. I don't like the Mahomes factor just And the, the whole, like the chiefs own the refs. I don't like that factor. Although, we went into Kansas city and beat them last year. And you know what, I wonder if Mike Tariqa would give us an asterisk because Hutch is out. Right. I mean, like, would we

Jacob: 1:41:32

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 1:41:33

Like he, Kelsey was out and Chris Jones was out, lions one, but with an asterisk, we'll, we'll, we get the asterisk. If we were to lose the super bowl, because our best player on defense is out. Multiple good players are out on defense, but I don't know. I digress,

Jacob: 1:41:48

understand the asterisk. You gotta play with a hand you're dealt, right?

Jason Harwood: 1:41:52

exactly. You mean you're playing with the people on the field, right. And I love to have Hutch out there? Yeah. And will I see him in the super bowl? I, I doubt it, but if he does, Oh, get my popcorn ready. Cause I'm

Jacob: 1:42:08

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 1:42:10

One thing we forgot to do earlier, cause we've haven't done it in the last few weeks is Monty versus Gibbs. I'm going to let you pick, so we'll do this late. Monty versus Gibbs. Do you have a, who are you going to go with?

Jacob: 1:42:23

You gotta go Gibbs, right? I mean

Jason Harwood: 1:42:27

I'll get

Jacob: 1:42:27

If you heard,

Jason Harwood: 1:42:28

yeah.

Jacob: 1:42:29

you heard even what David Montgomery has said when they talked about him, like, you know, it's like jaws, a generational talent. And he, you know, he kind of said, he was like, whatever he needs, you know, I'm going to make sure he has, but it's kind of Josh show just, you know, kind of a veteran thing. I think he realizes the injury and realizes the fact he's been on a tear and everything, you know. It's going to be interesting. Like I would assume that John's going to get the star. He's going to get the first series. Right. And then you mix demo and it'll be like the opposite. Or do you put demo back where he was before and do like you did earlier in the season?

Jason Harwood: 1:43:01

I don't know. I, I think you put, you don't want to start slow. Right. And they might want to see, I don't know, or maybe they put Dave Montgomery out for the first, even like, they might not run series and series. Maybe they

Jacob: 1:43:15

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 1:43:17

get them

Jacob: 1:43:17

Just make it play by play.

Jason Harwood: 1:43:19

it with Dave Montgomery, give them the first run. And then, then. Then take them out and just see how he performs. I am going to be excited to hear the last game they introduced the defense and as when Alex come back, so they will introduce the offense this time. So Dan Montgomery will get introduced

Jacob: 1:43:36

Yeah, that's going to be cool.

Jason Harwood: 1:43:38

and I'm really excited. To be in the stadium for that. And I'm also excited to see him suited up and then being out there for warmups and what the crowd reaction to that is going to be, having, again, having this at late game fans get in there early. I said the last game, the Minnesota, it was basically a playoff game three hours early, and there's a line to get in the door and the stadium's already packed and they're already cheering at warmups. So I'm expecting it. To be just as, just as live, probably more alive for this game.

Jacob: 1:44:11

Absolutely.

Jason Harwood: 1:44:12

Jacob, before we get out of here, we got our grit guarantee. I say Monty and Gibbs each score a touchdown.

Jacob: 1:44:23

Solid.

Jason Harwood: 1:44:26

Not too crazy, but I'm, that's what I'm going to go with. What's, what's yours?

Jacob: 1:44:30

My great guarantee is that I think that Gibbs is gonna go for over 100 yards rushing.

Jason Harwood: 1:44:36

Love to see it. Yeah, that's not too crazy easy either. Although. just surprises us all and, busts like a 50 yarder and I, I'm excited for this game. It's going to be so much fun to be there. Are you, is I, so it's late or is Milo going to stay up and watch the

Jacob: 1:44:55

Milo will stay up and watch with me. He'll have his lion's gear on, he's gonna stay up and watch.

Jason Harwood: 1:45:00

All

Jacob: 1:45:00

It's funny cause we actually, we stayed up, we were watching the Pistons and Knicks game until the Vikings and Rams game started. And he stayed up and we turn on the Vikings and Rams game. And then, you know, he passed out on the couch. He can't hang that late, but he tries and I appreciate that.

Jason Harwood: 1:45:17

Yeah. think I was telling you this at work, we're watching the Minnesota. My family, we watched all the playoff games together. And my wife would always say, who do we, the AFC teams that she's not as familiar with. Well, who do we not want to face for the lions? And I was like, it's kind of early. There's a lot of matchups going on, but you know, we talked about that. We're watching the Rams, the Rams Vikings game, and she is, she's Like super into it. Like Darnold misses some throws because she doesn't want to see Stafford. She does not like Kelly Stafford doesn't want her like in her space. And so she's like, he's messing throws. She's like yelling at Sam Darnold. And I was like, I looked at her. I said, what have you become? And she goes, I don't know.

Jacob: 1:46:02

You created that monster,

Jason Harwood: 1:46:04

did. I did, but it was a great, it was great. Was a great weekend. I know the games weren't that close, but as far as watching football with my family, I really enjoyed it.

Jacob: 1:46:13

and we don't, you know, that's never happened, right? We don't get the one seed, we don't get wild card weekend and just relax and know that, you know,

Jason Harwood: 1:46:20

yeah. And

Jacob: 1:46:21

no pressure.

Jason Harwood: 1:46:22

And there was a little blessing that we found out Saturday that the team were going to play as opposed to having to wait till, or wait, I'm

Jacob: 1:46:29

Right. Yes.

Jason Harwood: 1:46:31

out Sunday night as opposed to wait until Monday. And then it's either like, okay, we're going to play the same old boring team, the Vikings that we just played two weeks ago. That would have been boring, especially for this podcast. I don't know what we would have done.

Jacob: 1:46:44

Yeah.

Jason Harwood: 1:46:45

it would have been a rehash of a game we just saw two weeks ago, or The whole rehash of the Rams Stafford thing. So we avoided all that and had a lot of fun to talk and we got to meet the guys

Jacob: 1:46:55

For now. For now. The Stafford thing might be coming back.

Jason Harwood: 1:47:00

and it might be some, all right, Jacob, we've rambled on long enough. Anything else before we head out of here?

Jacob: 1:47:07

No man.

Jason Harwood: 1:47:08

All right. Thanks again for the boys over at command. This podcast. Can't wait to talk with them tomorrow night. I hope everyone a good, safe weekend. Hopefully it's a very enjoyable Saturday night. Just be safe and don't do anything stupid. Don't drive, drink and drive just wherever you're at. Just stay at hope everyone's safe. So for Jacob, Jason. Let's go lions.